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Conservation is utilitarian?
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Posted on 08/14/2012 6:57:53 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica

I have in the past noted the friendly relationship between Fabian Socialists (The British Fabian Society) and American progressives, I also pointed out how Utilitarianism leads to Fabianism.

Enter Conservation in the United States. Charles Richard Van Hise (who was an advisor on conservation to President Theodore Roosevelt) wrote the following in his book "The conservation of natural resources in the United States": (page 379)

Conservation means "the greatest good to the greatest number - and that for the longest time".

Pretty straight forward. Utilitarianism is often thought to start with Jeremy Bentham(in a classical/modern sense), and here is what he says in his book "A Fragment on Government": (In the preface, page ii)

it is the greatest happiness of the greatest number that is the measure of right and wrong

That's Bentham's fundamental axiom,(Mill also used the phrase in his own way) to which you will see far and wide a seemingly limitless variation of this quote, as an explanation of what Utilitarianism actually is.

It's virtually identical. And Hise wasn't alone. Gifford Pinchot, a Bull Moose/Progressive republican and first chief of the US Forest Service, wrote this in his autobiography "Breaking New Ground": (page 353)

"Conservation is the greatest good of the greatest number for the longest time"

Despite the fact that this is almost verbatim what Hise wrote, on page 326 Pinchot writes that McGee was who convinced him of this view. The book says W J McGee, which is William John McGee, who on page 359 Pinchot considered to be "the scientific brains of the Conservation movement all through its early critical stages".

I highlight this for one specific reason: in a lot of ways, American progressivism and British Fabianism grew and evolved in similar ways, along similar ideological lines. Henry George was a American, yet his writing was significant in the development of the Fabian Society. And here's clear utilitarian thought(whether imported or domestically developed, probably doesn't matter) right there as well.

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1 posted on 08/14/2012 6:58:03 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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2 posted on 08/14/2012 7:01:34 AM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The essential distinction between principled American values & Utilitarianism, is that while the free society actually produces more utilitarian results than any other, it is premised upon moral principles, inherent in Natural Law, including those defined so well by the Founding Fathers. To apply the Utilitarian mantra--the "greatest good," etc., actually leads to Communism, or National Socialism (Collectivist/Totalitarian Movements). It invites demagogues to appropriate the labor, ingenuity & resources of the individual, by its very definition.

America's greatest writer, Edgar Allan Poe, actually had the Utilitarians' number back in his day: Poe On Utilitarians.

William Flax

3 posted on 08/14/2012 7:24:09 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: Ohioan

I’m all for using our resources safely.

Basically, drill here, drill now, and don’t pollute. Our state and natural forests should be preserved but also managed wisely which means logging.

4 posted on 08/14/2012 8:24:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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Communists don’t even apply the “Benthamite calculus” correctly; they focus entirely on “the greatest number” phrase, and disregard “the greatest good.”

Algebraically, a tremendous good for a few is the equivalent of a modest good for the many. So Utilitarianism can be as much an argument for capitalism as for communism.

And then there’s always the question of who determines the extent of the good, its quality, and its duration. Many “good” ideas of the Left have spawned highly undesirable outcomes, whereas the seemingly harsh philosophies of the Right have paid long-term dividends.

5 posted on 08/14/2012 9:07:20 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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