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Weather Service Buys 46000 Rounds of Illegal Hollow Point Bullets: NOAA Needs Hollow Points?
Maggie' Notebook ^ | August 14, 2012 | Maggie

Posted on 08/15/2012 7:29:08 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch

Weather Service Buys 46000 Rounds of Illegal Hollow Point Bullets: NOAA Needs Hollow Points?

In April 2012 we learned The Department of Homeland Security has been stocking up on many millions of rounds of ammunition of differing caliber bullets, and an unknown quantity of bullet-proof booths to use…on something or someone…somewhere. Today we learn the National Weather Service also needs bullets, hollow point bullets to be exact.

A solicitation which appears on the FedBizOpps website asks for 16,000 rounds of .40 S&W jacketed hollow point (JHP) bullets, noted for their strength, to be delivered to locations in Ellsworth, Maine, and New Bedford, Mass.

A further 6,000 rounds of S&W JHP will be sent to Wall, New Jersey, with another 24,000 rounds of the same bullets heading to the weather station in St. Petersburg, Florida.

The solicitation also asks for 500 paper targets to be delivered to the same locations in Maine, Massachusetts and New Jersey.

The National Weather Service is is one of six scientific agencies that make up the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). Source: InfoWars

Don’t get confused about this. This new NOAA ammo order is in addition to the Homeland Security’s 450 MILLION rounds, and in case you missed it, in April the DHS also ordered an additional 750,000 rounds to add to the 450 MILLION. But back to the National Weather Service order:

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It looks like some alternate government agency is using NOAA as a front to procure ammunition.

 

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1 posted on 08/15/2012 7:29:18 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch
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To: CaptainKrunch

They’re sick of people complaining about their lousy weather forecasts.

Hey, do you think if a citizen did this, the MSM would be all over it? “What do you NEED that much ammunition for?”


2 posted on 08/15/2012 7:30:59 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: CaptainKrunch

Zombie attacks could be considered a type of weather....


3 posted on 08/15/2012 7:33:12 AM PDT by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: CaptainKrunch

I wonder if the administration is just buying up all the ammo to keep it out of the hands of the public.


4 posted on 08/15/2012 7:34:23 AM PDT by MIDad23
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To: CaptainKrunch

Hollow points are not illegal. Police use them so the round stays in teh body that is shot, rather than going through and hitting innocents.

Plus, one explanation is that the NWS is arranging the ammo buy for the Fisheries division, who has armed men that board boats as police. Which does not explain why Fisheries does not buy their own.


5 posted on 08/15/2012 7:35:20 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: CaptainKrunch
They’ve been illegal in international warfare since 1899

Who expects them to use these in an international war? I doubt it. More likely scenario is for use against us when the global economy collapses, aliens invade, or some false flag goes up and we are all corralled of to the FEMA camps. ;o)
6 posted on 08/15/2012 7:36:00 AM PDT by chaos_5
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To: AndrewB

7 posted on 08/15/2012 7:37:25 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Oh please, not this nonsense again.

The ammunition is being purchased for the Office of Law Enforcement of the Natioanal Marine Fisheries Service, which has had armed agents for decades. This is clearly stated in the posted RFP but this info has been dropped or ignored by many of the idiotic bloggers hyping this story.

A National Weather Service office is handling the procurement paperwork, but they aren’t receiving the ammo. This sort of things happens all the time within large agencies like NOAA and isn’t a “front.”

Hollow Point ammunition is routinely used by law enforcement. It’s actually safer (unless you are the person being shot) because it’s less likely to pass through the intended target.


8 posted on 08/15/2012 7:38:22 AM PDT by Strategerist
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To: MIDad23

Along with DHS, they are probably getting ready for the Nov. election.


9 posted on 08/15/2012 7:39:27 AM PDT by mortal19440
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To: CaptainKrunch

It looks like some alternate government agency is using NOAA as a front to procure ammunition.

10 posted on 08/15/2012 7:39:39 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Since when are hollowpoint rounds illegal?

Clearly the NWS needs this to deal with climate dissenters. They are public enemies and obstacles to real change.

SnakeDoc


11 posted on 08/15/2012 7:40:40 AM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens, Justified)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Looks like the citizens need to stock up and prepare for some nastiness from the government.

Make sure you know where your friendly neighborhood government employees reside.


12 posted on 08/15/2012 7:41:18 AM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: CaptainKrunch
NOAA Needs Hollow Points?

To silence AGW skeptics.

13 posted on 08/15/2012 7:41:47 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: chaos_5

Somehow I get this image of Katyn or some of the other atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis on the Jews and other prisoners. They would dig pits and then line up the prisoners, shoot them and watch them drop.

600,000-750,000 rounds of ammo?

They have bulldozers by Caterpillar these days . . . can dig pretty deep holes.


14 posted on 08/15/2012 7:43:52 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: CaptainKrunch

the only purpose of these bullets is to kill people


15 posted on 08/15/2012 7:45:22 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Strategerist

16 posted on 08/15/2012 7:45:35 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Strategerist
"The ammunition is being purchased for the Office of Law Enforcement of the Natioanal Marine Fisheries Service, which has had armed agents for decades. This is clearly stated in the posted RFP but this info has been dropped or ignored by many of the idiotic bloggers hyping this story.

A National Weather Service office is handling the procurement paperwork, but they aren’t receiving the ammo. This sort of things happens all the time within large agencies like NOAA and isn’t a “front.”

Hollow Point ammunition is routinely used by law enforcement. It’s actually safer (unless you are the person being shot) because it’s less likely to pass through the intended target."

I actually do buy that.  That's good enough for me. 

 

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17 posted on 08/15/2012 7:45:44 AM PDT by CaptainKrunch (Freedom doesn't promise safety and security, freedom only promises freedom.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Maybe they need them to help fight “Global Warming”


18 posted on 08/15/2012 7:46:57 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Fido969
Zombie attacks could be considered a type of weather....<

How 'bout?:

Shoot the Breeze ?

19 posted on 08/15/2012 7:48:36 AM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: CaptainKrunch
Secret Service Ammo Buy:
In June the Secret Service was shopping for "40,000 rounds with two options for 20,000 rounds" of Winchester .300 Magnums. Awarded to an outfit in Rapid City June 30, if we're reading it and all to be delivered before year end.)

600,000 Rounds to Capitol Police!:
("The United States Capitol Police, Training Services Bureau has a requirement to procure the following Ammunitions: 1. (600) 165 Grain Gold Dot Hollow Point, 40 S&W, 1,000/Case - 53970; NOTE: Ship in 2 equal shipments of 300,000 rds each. The first delivery no later than September 30, 2012 and second delivery no later than December 30, 2012." )

Armed EPA OIG:
("SIG Sauer Model P229 Semi-Automatic Pistol (P229); E29R-357-BSS-G; Caliber .357 SIG; DA/SA old style Alloy Frame; Stainless Slide; Black Nitron Finish; DA/SA Trigger; Supplied with three MecGar twelve (12)-round magazines and Trijicon three (3) Dot (White ? Glow Green) Night Sights; Milled locking inserts; and, Manufacturer carry case. ")

So why, from an administration opposed to arms, are they stocking up like this? What are they expecting?

20 posted on 08/15/2012 7:50:57 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: stormer

Awright, what movie is that from?


21 posted on 08/15/2012 7:53:49 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Strategerist

Thank you for your researched educational post.

Too many freepers are falling for a lot of conspiracy blogs and posting the bloggers rants, which does nothing more than paint by the media ALL freepers as right-wing nuts.

“Due to a clerical error in the federal business vendor process, a solicitation for ammunition and targets for the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement mistakenly identified NOAA’s National Weather Service as the requesting office,” said Scott Smullen, deputy director of NOAA Communications & External Affairs. “The error is being fixed and will soon appear correctly in the electronic federal bidding system.

“The ammunition is standard issue for many law enforcement agencies, and it will be used by 63 NOAA enforcement personnel in their firearms qualifications and training,” Mr. Smullen said.

The Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement protects marine resources and their natural habitat, ensures that many people can enjoy the resources, protects fish stocks from depletion and marine mammals from extinction, and oversees the livelihoods of commercial and recreational fishers, and the health of seafood consumers....

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/aug/14/national-weather-service-ammo-request-error/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS


22 posted on 08/15/2012 7:54:48 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: concerned about politics

The thing is though, that the NYPD procured over 20 million rounds last year, the Chicago PD over 6 million rounds, ect. A police officer usually goes through 1,000 rounds a year for training purposes per weapon, higher for SWAT and other tactical teams.


23 posted on 08/15/2012 7:58:05 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Kick Obama out of the White House in 2012.)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Perhaps like us, these agencies are stocking up in the event of shortages? If they stock up now, then if there is a rush to buy, they won’t be caught short and have to curtail retail sales.


24 posted on 08/15/2012 8:00:37 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: concerned about politics
What are they expecting?

A bunch of pissed off sumbritches.

25 posted on 08/15/2012 8:00:37 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: CaptainKrunch

This Presidency is on a collision course with totalitarianism.


26 posted on 08/15/2012 8:00:48 AM PDT by ZULU (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=D9vQt6IXXaM&hd)
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To: DBrow
Police use them so the round stays in teh body that is shot

And we all know that the police are expert shots. /s

27 posted on 08/15/2012 8:03:21 AM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not angry, you're not paying attention)
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To: concerned about politics

Sounds like an ordinary sort of purchase at Cabela’s to me.....


28 posted on 08/15/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by Pecos ("We hold these truths to be self-evident ..... ")
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To: CaptainKrunch

I, for one, welcome our new “Weather Babe” overlords ;o)


29 posted on 08/15/2012 8:20:34 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Strategerist

Excuse me Mr Buzzkill but we are trying to have a conspiracy here.


30 posted on 08/15/2012 8:23:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: ctdonath2
Awright, what movie is that from?

Invasion of the Body Snatchers!

Geez, you need to spend more time in your Mom's basement ;o)

31 posted on 08/15/2012 8:23:30 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Thunder90

The amount of the purchase does not strike me as odd, due to the large number of rounds used in practice. However, the wastefulness does get to me. Commercial FMJHP cartridges and other really efective defensive cartridges in .40 S&W usually go for about $1.00 per round, from my own experience. Pure FMJ cartridges in the same caliber go for only about $.28/round. Looks like the gov. could save a lot of taxpayer money by mostly using FMJ rounds for practice, saving the FMJHP for mostly actual use on the street, and only firing it on the range to see how well it would work in their agents’ weapons. They could also reload the spent range brass and save even more money.


32 posted on 08/15/2012 8:28:21 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: DBrow

You are right, readily available here in Oklahoma. My Walthers PK380 is loaded with hollow points.


33 posted on 08/15/2012 8:30:52 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: CaptainKrunch

Not a significantly large order and not everyone that works for NOAA sits in an office or TV studio. I would imagine they get into some pretty remote and potentially dangerous places.


34 posted on 08/15/2012 8:40:32 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: CaptainKrunch

WOW... the stupidity. The glaring stupidity.

The NOAA has a Law Enforcement Division. There are 1811s and 1812s who work for the agency.

http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/ole/ole_about.html

The author of this piece went full retard.

Maybe the aliens are controlling their mind?


35 posted on 08/15/2012 8:43:27 AM PDT by George189
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To: AppyPappy
LOL!


36 posted on 08/15/2012 8:44:17 AM PDT by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: CaptainKrunch
Illegal Hollow Point

No real need to read past the word 'illegal'. Tactic of the left to throw in some buzz word meant to inflame people.

Since when did hollow points become illegal and when can we expect the gestapo to stop by for confiscation?

37 posted on 08/15/2012 8:48:34 AM PDT by SwankyC
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To: Old Sarge

Ping


38 posted on 08/15/2012 8:50:00 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: stuartcr
Perhaps like us, these agencies are stocking up in the event of shortages? If they stock up now, then if there is a rush to buy, they won’t be caught short and have to curtail retail sales.

I think these are definitely "stocking up" purchases, especially when you consider the usual federal agencies' purchasing blitz before the end of every fiscal year (Sept. 30). The likelihood of shrinking budgets for 2013 and beyond is driving this, too.

39 posted on 08/15/2012 8:51:20 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: CaptainKrunch

Might it not be something as simple as having security guards at some of their facilities that carry pistols?

Seems like much ado about nothing to me.


40 posted on 08/15/2012 8:52:29 AM PDT by Boogieman
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"A further 6,000 rounds of S&W JHP will be sent to Wall, New Jersey, with another 24,000 rounds of the same bullets heading to the weather station in St. Petersburg, Florida."

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I can't believe I am the first person to ask why St.Petersburg only got bullets when everyone else is getting cartridges.

41 posted on 08/15/2012 8:56:52 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Boogieman

In 2004, IIRC, H&K received the DHS contract for 65,000 semi-auto pistols in 9mm parabellum, .40 5W, and .357 SIG.

WAG on my part says that there are a whole bunch of office commandos that never see the light of day strutting around like Sonnie Crockett


42 posted on 08/15/2012 9:08:16 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: CaptainKrunch
NOAA Needs Hollow Points?

To collect atmospheric samples with.

43 posted on 08/15/2012 9:13:50 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: SwankyC

Last week somebody called FMJ ‘military grade’.


44 posted on 08/15/2012 9:17:14 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: freedomlover
I can't believe I am the first person to ask why St.Petersburg only got bullets when everyone else is getting cartridges.

They're shooting at that weather station. Note how it says "bullets heading to" and not "bullets being sent to"?

45 posted on 08/15/2012 9:19:41 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Strategerist

And besides that, they need the ammo to punish those who deny the science of global warming.


46 posted on 08/15/2012 9:52:59 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: CaptainKrunch
As I just told Maggie on her site, "hollow point bullets" (in fact, they ordered CARTRIDGES loaded with hollow points) are not illegal in sane jurisdictions.

I had a boob at work (who grew up in the DC area) tell me that I couldn't carry hollow points, because "the police don't like them." I told him that what they "like" has nothing to do with my right to keep and bear arms.

47 posted on 08/15/2012 9:56:50 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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Weather Service Buys 46000 Rounds of Illegal Hollow Point Bullets: NOAA Needs Hollow Points?

Do ya believe in AGW or not? Well, do ya, punk?

48 posted on 08/15/2012 10:00:12 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

46,000 rounds and only 500 targets? Even if they ordered 500 targets for each location for a total of 2000 targets, means 23 holes in each target.

Such a perforated target is useless for real training, unless the shooter carefully marks each hole when the target is checked.

That assumes the AgencyPerson gun toter can hit the target.


49 posted on 08/15/2012 10:07:42 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: backwoods-engineer
I had a boob at work (who grew up in the DC area) tell me that I couldn't carry hollow points, because "the police don't like them." I told him that what they "like" has nothing to do with my right to keep and bear arms.

Good cops don't mind at all. Bad cops probably don't like ANY of your Constitutional rights. Hell, half of them were enforced more stringently because of the actions of bad cops. So like you said, so what?

50 posted on 08/15/2012 10:09:34 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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