Posted on 08/16/2012 1:18:49 PM PDT by 92nina
The company using prison labor was under cutting them and getting the government contracts.
The contracts were not big by the global scale but big enough to keep a few hundred workers employed.
Profit on candy per unit is small and thus volume is the key to success. Doubling the cost of the main ingredient is not profitable.
Then the Dems (and some FReepers) whine about “jobs going overseas” blah, blah blah.
Been there, done that. It was called the Great Depression.
There's an embargo of trade with Cuba. Dropping the sugar tariffs wouldn't change that.
Dropping the sugar tariffs would decrease the price Americans pay by about 40% and might stop the American candy industry from moving to Mexico. How's that for your unemployed in this country.
More jobs have been lost in America because of the sugar tariffs than have been saved. Crony capitalism at its finest.
one word: stevia
“I support agriculture subsidies because feeding an army is a militarily sensitive industry.”
when the ability to “feed an army” is in question, there is plenty of time to consider “subsidies” to farmers;
when the ability to “feed an army” is not in question, keeping the subsidies is not about “national security” it’s pure crony-capitalism and a waste, besides being an egregious economic mistake
“Conservative” Marco Rubio voted to keep the subsidies going. Bought and paid for like most of the other clowns in Congress.
When the Great Depression occurred, imports were only 4% of GNP. Exports were 5%. The net change during the great depression was less than 0.2% of GNP. Exports simply weren't big enough to cause the Great Depression. Plus the depression was already underway when Smoot-Harley went into effect.
The Great Depression was caused by the Federal Reserve which was only about 10 years old. They became afraid of how fast money supply was growing in part due to the stock market speculation. They tightened down hard and it wrecked the economy. That was actually the second time they had done that and caused depressions both times. The FED learned it's lesson and we haven't had a depression since. Except for this thing we are in now, which isn't the Fed's fault.
Imports are now 16% of GNP. And considering how much lower China's wages are than ours, if we returned those jobs to the U.S. it would be probably result in much more than 16% to our GNP.
Consumers would feel the price increase from tariffs, but the government deficits would shrink dramatically as people went back to work. Tax payers are paying for this economic mess anyway. Might as well get something out of it. And get our people back to work.
Yes, the Fed sucks then and now. But the tariff walls went up all over the world and our depression was probably nirvana compared to some other countries at the time.
I don’t have a problem trying to pay good wages to make trinkets here, but it’s not just the minimum wage or unions. It’s all the massive government regulations over dozens of agencies and hundreds of programs. Many at odds with each other putting business in the “damned if I do...” mode.
Thus sugar tariffs and protection. How many jobs are being protected in sugar versus those lost in candy manufacturing or soft drink bottling? Then they switch to corn fructose and everyone gets their panties in a wad about health issues. And along with the even more stupid ethanol subsidies we see massive corn prices.
The effects on meat production aside, it’s causing world wide inflation hurting the truly poor everyone says they care about.
If you want to put up a wall and keep our economy within ourselves alone, it might work. But that’s so against the reason the USA exists, IMHO.
I also don’t worry or buy the low wage argument. It’s irrelavent in that you can’t compare our society to emerging ones. It’s not so much “slave labor” as it is emerging classes moving up within their society like in India. $10 a day to them is middle class and if more than one family member can get work it means moving from a shack to a building and eating regular.
Nothing we can do will ever stop that development. If we don’t put factories and call centers, etc. into those countries Europe will. Russia will. Even China will. And we won’t be able to compete with the price. So we must learn to sell other stuff to the world like better durable goods, servcies like banking, finanacial markets, computer technology, management, etc. Also, a lot of the centers and factories we open overseas are their to service those markets. Nissan, Toyata, BMW, Mercedes, Honda, Volkswagen all make cars they sell in North American in mostly the United States. Do their people whine about shipping jobs overseas too? I’m sure some do.
We went from agri to industry to service to who know where. We can’t stop that evolution as many have tried througout history. Horse farmers, pardoned my pun, railed against the trains and horseless carriages. lol
Good post btw. Oh my, it’s finally raining again in Franklin. We got a good one Monday morning.
You’re so right. I once had “Kosher Coke” (that uses beet sugar) given to me by a friend, and it tasted so much smoother than the stuff with corn syrup.
Some, but "Made in the USA" tends to mean "Made in a Sweatshop in Los Angeles by Illegal Aliens." But don't expect to see that on the labels any time soon. :)
The first clue that your opinion is wrong should be in looking at the protective tariffs the founding fathers put in place.
America does stand for freedom. Allowing a communist government like china to take 90% of the profits of it's firms, while keeping it's people in poverty, so they can undercut our prices, and use the profits to buy our manufacturing know how and debt is NOT in Freedom's interest.
We have to keep our own country strong in order to help others. Our first priority is to America. Founding fathers understood that.
I think the FED has done a wonderful job since the Great Depression. And the reason they got in trouble in those early years is that they were trying to emulate a gold standard.
When money supply took off, they thought, this isn't good, we've got to bring it back down. And they did, along with everything else.
The FED is not to blame for the current mess. And anyone who thinks Congress can't borrow money on a gold standard and promise that your kids will repay it in gold, needs to think again.
Unfortunately true.
And tariffs that wiill destroy thousands of small and medium sized American import/export businesses are a good way to do that?
They won't destroy import/export businesses unless we build manufacturing in their place which will employ many many more people. So yes. It's what the founding fathers did. It's what America did throughout it's history until 1980.
They won't destroy import/export businesses unless we build manufacturing in their place which will employ many many more people. So yes. It's what the founding fathers did. It's what America did throughout it's history until 1980.
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