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Transportation of Firearms Across State Lines
My Brain | August 17th, 2012 | America_Right

Posted on 08/17/2012 7:29:14 PM PDT by America_Right

Question for fellow gun nuts:

I have a lot of guns at my dad's place in Ohio. Rifles (.22, 30/30), shotguns(410, 12ga, 20ga), and pistols (.38, .44). No assault weapons. Here's the thing. I want to drive them back to Idaho at some point, but I just heard a news story about a guy that is being charged with "Transportation of Firearms Across State Lines". If I get pulled over, am I going to prison? I know, this sounds like a stupid question, but I would hate to go to prison for driving legal firearms across the country.


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Advice? Or do I even need any? It should be ok for a law-abiding citizen to drive his own guns from one state to another, right?
1 posted on 08/17/2012 7:29:18 PM PDT by America_Right
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To: America_Right

Obey the speed limits in Illinois.


2 posted on 08/17/2012 7:31:39 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: America_Right

Do not, under any circumstances whatsoever, drive through Chicago or neighboring cities no matter what anyone else on this thread tells you.

To answer your question, I think it’s legal to do what you want to do, if the guns are locked and inaccessible during the drive, and they are legal at both the origin and the destination. (That is, irrespective of laws of the intervening places. But see above.)


3 posted on 08/17/2012 7:35:03 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: America_Right

Unloaded, in trunk. Look up various state rules.


4 posted on 08/17/2012 7:35:13 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: America_Right

Basically if you drive point to point, short rest stops for food/fuel, you shouldn’t have to worry about getting arrested. Personally I’d have a handgun loaded for defense and the guns being transported unloaded and if able in a locked case or storage container, just so nobody else can easily get them.


5 posted on 08/17/2012 7:35:42 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: America_Right

You’re safe in Indiana.

Heck...we’ll even buy you a coffee.


6 posted on 08/17/2012 7:36:16 PM PDT by digger48
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To: America_Right
Here is a place to start.

http://www.nraila.org/gunlaws/federal/read.aspx?id=60

Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.

do your own verification. This was from a quick check i did on a link i had.

7 posted on 08/17/2012 7:37:58 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature ($1.84 - The price of a gallon of gas on Jan. 20th, 2009.)
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To: America_Right

If you are legal to own from your starting point and at your destination, you should be good to go. Just don’t detour to Jersey, Mass., New York City, California, Hawaii, Chicago, you get the point. And make sure they are unloaded and secured out of reach. NRA has a paperback about traveling with guns. Good luck.


8 posted on 08/17/2012 7:40:13 PM PDT by W.Lee (No compromise)
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To: America_Right
"...a guy that is being charged with 'Transportation of Firearms Across State Lines'."

Hmmm. Did he leave his home state to purchase them in another state and take them back home?


9 posted on 08/17/2012 7:40:32 PM PDT by familyop (Duncan Hunter or no-vote.)
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature; All
Notwithstanding any state or local law,

Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks! And thanks to everyone else for your replies.

10 posted on 08/17/2012 7:43:19 PM PDT by America_Right (Remember, Republicans have a lot more in common with Democrats than they do with Tea Partiers.)
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To: America_Right

Send them to yourself fed ex
Make sure they are unloaded
Better than dealing with officer Obey


11 posted on 08/17/2012 7:45:32 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: America_Right; coloradan

I think you’re ok if you a) keep ‘em unloaded and locked in the trunk — don’t even carry any ammo, and b) don’t speed, drink, do bong hits on the interstate, etc. Scrape the Romney sticker off your car too.

Except that when you pass through Chicago — and you should plan to pass through Chicago, if at all possible — I’d have your significant other drive around downtown, while you hang out of the sun roof with the twelve-gauge shotgun in plain view, screaming “Hey Rahm! Want some of THIS???”


12 posted on 08/17/2012 7:45:52 PM PDT by Nervous Tick ("You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.")
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To: Joe Boucher

I’m not sure that’s legal. (Yes, here in the Free Country, with an explicit right to keep and bear arms.)


13 posted on 08/17/2012 7:48:20 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: familyop
Did he leave his home state to purchase them in another state and take them back home?

Dunno, but even that doesn't sound like it should be illegal. I don't remember what the story was, exactly, but there was a laundry list of charges, and that was the one that stuck out at me. I didn't understand how someone could be charged with that.

14 posted on 08/17/2012 7:48:43 PM PDT by America_Right (Remember, Republicans have a lot more in common with Democrats than they do with Tea Partiers.)
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To: W.Lee

Especially don’t take a detour to Hawaii. They really hate people who have cars full of guns, driving from Ohio to Idaho, who swing through Hawaii on the way.


15 posted on 08/17/2012 7:50:25 PM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: America_Right
“I know, this sounds like a stupid question,”

Quite the opposite,one of the most important questions ever asked on this forum.

16 posted on 08/17/2012 7:51:26 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: coloradan

Believe it or not, Hawaii has an interstate highway.


17 posted on 08/17/2012 7:52:22 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (The brain is the weapon; everything else is just accessories. --FReeper Joe Brower)
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To: Nervous Tick

LOL!


18 posted on 08/17/2012 7:57:34 PM PDT by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: America_Right

I would take along proof of ownership (eg, copies of sales receipts) just in case you need them. Particularly if it is more than just a couple of guns.


19 posted on 08/17/2012 7:58:07 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Paladin2; America_Right

***Obey the speed limits in Illinois.***

Even better, GO AROUND Illinois.


20 posted on 08/17/2012 8:15:47 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Tyrannies demand immense sacrifices of their people to produce trifles.-Marquis de Custine)
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To: America_Right

How did your guns come to be at your dad’s place in Ohio? Under federal law, you generally cannot buy guns in a state where you don’t reside, unless they are transfered thru a dealer where you live.

I’m in CA, dad’s next door in NV. He can’t sell or give me guns unless he/me consumate the deal thru a dealer setup.

If you lived in OH, legally bought guns, then later moved to ID, you could go back and get your guns and drive them home.


21 posted on 08/17/2012 8:17:10 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: America_Right

Swing to the South to avoid the communist states, go west from there, then go north someplace in the West.


22 posted on 08/17/2012 8:20:15 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: America_Right
If you have any doubt about any locations in between, have a gun dealer ship them to a dealer near your destination and pick them up there.
It will cost some money but avoids several unpleasant scenarios.

23 posted on 08/17/2012 8:28:37 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: umgud

Bought them when I was living there. When I originally moved, I didn’t have room for all my stuff, and guns weren’t at the top of the list of stuff I needed to bring with me, so I left them with him.


24 posted on 08/17/2012 8:28:46 PM PDT by America_Right (Remember, Republicans have a lot more in common with Democrats than they do with Tea Partiers.)
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To: America_Right

You should be good to go.


25 posted on 08/17/2012 8:30:50 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Nervous Tick
Except that when you pass through Chicago [...] hang out of the sun roof with the twelve-gauge shotgun in plain view, screaming “Hey Rahm! Want some of THIS???”

I'm afraid only legal activity is illegal in Chicago. All illegal activity is perfectly legal. This means that if you do what you described you will be only seen as a typical local gangbanger, a daily occurrence.

26 posted on 08/17/2012 8:37:54 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: America_Right

Research FOPA. Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. Print the text of the law off and carry it with you. Abide by the text of the law to the letter.

If you are stopped and a cop tries to arrest you or take your guns, make sure you say loud and clear that he is in violation of FOPA 1986 and you are complying with that law. He can be charged for false arrest and violating FOPA. Make sure that his dash cam gets the comment too...

I would however, avoid Illinois all together.


27 posted on 08/17/2012 8:40:36 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: America_Right
Take a car, not a pickup truck. Try to time your trip so that you don't have to stop overnight in Illinois. I wouldn't feel safe either leaving guns in the car trunk overnight or being seen taking them out of the car trunk and into a motel in Illinois.

I think I'd take I-80 straight across, and avoid Chicago as much as possible. Use the cruise control; watch the speed limit. Once you clear Illinois -- heck, once you get west of Joliet -- I think you'll be okay. Try to stay awake crossing Nebraska, and whatever you do, don't eat at a Runza.

In Wyoming I think you can be arrested for not having a gun in the car, so once you get that far, you should be okay the rest of the way home.

28 posted on 08/17/2012 8:43:04 PM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (OVERTHROW OBAMA!)
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To: America_Right

Send them to me by Fed Ex. I’ll make sure they get to you.


29 posted on 08/17/2012 8:47:08 PM PDT by grandpa jones (obama delenda est)
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To: America_Right

It’s a pain, but I’d recommend staying clear of Illinois, not just Chicago. Even though the people are much, much, better in the south of the state, they still have the laws that Chicago essentially sets. All of the other states are very friendly, so why risk it - just add a day to the trip?


30 posted on 08/17/2012 8:48:43 PM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: America_Right

Just to add a bit more, assuming that your car has Idaho plate, you’re practically announcing to the world that “MY CAR HAS AN ARMORY IN IT”, at least to any liberal. You’ll really stick out in Illinois and could get pulled over for having a license plate bulb out, or doing (a fictitious) illegal lane change. Once they see you’re nervous, they’ll drop something in the vehicle, or claim to see something, and that’ll get the dogs, that will smell the powder residue.


31 posted on 08/17/2012 8:53:03 PM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: America_Right

You should be ok. The advice here seems reasonable. But here’s one thing not mentioned: take the gun rack out of the back window. Nothing good will come of that.

And, FYI, in Mass you will be ok if the guns are transported in a locked container ( the trunk, a bag, or case.). Don’t store your hand gun in a glove box. That will get you shot by a nervous trooper. But, since driving from Ohio to Idaho the chances of coming through Mass are pretty slim. And if you do so...you might not be bright enough to own a gun. ( just kidding...by asking the question, you proved you had smarts.)


32 posted on 08/17/2012 8:58:39 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: BobL
It is somewhat humorous, as a resident of Illinois, to see all the people wimping out on this thread. If it's legal in your State, it's probably legal in this one. Check each State law on your transit. And you probably shouldn't solicit advice on the Internet.

I mean, where else would you see people turn into sniveling crybabies at the mere mention of Illinois?

33 posted on 08/17/2012 9:12:56 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: America_Right

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926A


34 posted on 08/17/2012 9:13:25 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
Check this thread out. At the mere sight of Idaho plates in Chicago, you get pulled over. Ostensibly to check for your arsenal. ROTFLMAO

Hey, we pull over our tourists all the time. And they still keep coming back. /s

35 posted on 08/17/2012 9:17:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Paladin2

>>Obey the speed limits in Illinois.

Let me second that. I have relatives in southern Illinois and they told me the same thing in a way I have never heard from anyone from any other state. The cops there are pretty brutal.


36 posted on 08/17/2012 9:24:58 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: 1rudeboy

The most redeeming thing about Illinois is that it is a long way from where I live. The big problem with Il is that Joliet and Chicago put such a horrible stench on the rest of the state.


37 posted on 08/17/2012 9:44:02 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: America_Right

You’ve received appropriate advice and references on your basic question so now I’m going to help you improve your vocabulary: Eliminate the words/phrase “assault weapon” from your vocabulary. You only play into the hands of the libs by even accepting that as a legitimate concept.

Lesson over - have a nice drive back to Idaho.


38 posted on 08/17/2012 9:55:11 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: America_Right
Took a little trip to Idaho myself not so long ago, from Dallas. Be careful in Kansas - firearms laws are weird, but there isn't much there to stop you if you stick to the speed limit. If you do take that route, be aware that when you turn north through Denver and up through Wyoming, that stretch of road near Cheyenne is tempting to lay the hammer down but don't do it - the Wyoming state trooper academy is nearby and they do jail time for speeding in Wyoming if you go fast enough which of course I never did. No way. Your Honor.

Once you hit Montana you're pretty much good. There actually is a speed limit there now - didn't used to be, which is why I ended up hitting I90 at...uh...55 mph, Your Honor. I swear. Take care at Fourth of July Pass (if you're going that way) and stay safe when you hit the Promised Land. :-)

39 posted on 08/17/2012 10:08:57 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
You went through Kansas? Houston or DFW to Salt Lake I'd always go US 287 out of Ft. Worth to Amarillo, turn right, kinda zig-zag on up to I-70 near Limon, skirt Denver on the East side (if traffic is heavy, and since I know that way) then I-25 North to Cheyenne then West, of course.

Worked for me driving tractor-trailer. Might consider some of the Kansas roads if I was hoping to avoid scales, though. But then that State has roving truck inspectors who will pull a truck over on the side of the road and use portable scales, and a mechanic's creeper to roll under the rig and give it a level One inspection.

Other States use weigh Stations and Inspection barns, if they inspect much at all. Colorado wants to see one's fuel tax agreement (IFTA), or pay a fee to cross the State. Wants the first six numbers of the VIN on the side where they can read it too, or they'll wave you over to come inside and show them paperwork...and maybe get inspected.

New Mexico is similar, except they want the New Mexico specific agreement. First they ask for the IFTA, then when you show them that, they get real rude saying they "don't care about that" then ask for the New Mexico paper. F 'em. I hate that State.

40 posted on 08/17/2012 10:43:54 PM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: Billthedrill

Unless he’s taking a very long way home he will not be going through Kansas, and nowhere near Denver for sure. 80 goes through Nebraska, and 90 is even faster and a lot prettier once you get to Wisconsin.


41 posted on 08/17/2012 10:50:05 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Paul Craig Roberts: now with 50% more Crazy.)
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To: Paladin2; America_Right

Very good advice.

42 posted on 08/17/2012 10:50:21 PM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: America_Right

My suggestion: find an FFL gun dealer at both ends of the trip. Have to one in OH ship them to the one in Idaho. They’ll add a nominal charge.


43 posted on 08/17/2012 10:53:23 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: BCR #226

“Research FOPA. Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. Print the text of the law off and carry it with you. Abide by the text of the law to the letter.

If you are stopped and a cop tries to arrest you or take your guns, make sure you say loud and clear that he is in violation of FOPA 1986 and you are complying with that law. He can be charged for false arrest and violating FOPA. Make sure that his dash cam gets the comment too...”

What are you smoking and why didn’t you bring enough for everyone..... While the OP is entirely legal in transporting his firearms from point A to point B while
following the rule of law that means nothing when he has
been pulled over by a badgemonkey who neither knows nor cares about the law.

To the OP....if you are risk averse have the weapons shipped via FedEx to a dealer. It will cost you a little
but compared to the cost and grief you will face if you
get pulled over by a JBT with an attitude ( and that is most of them these days) it will be a small price to pay to insure you property remains your property and your heinie
remainds virginal.


44 posted on 08/17/2012 11:04:14 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: BlueDragon

If you’re not driving a truck, stay on I-70 over the Front Range until you get about 100 miles past Grand Junction and follow US-191 to I-15. Depending on where you’re going in Idaho, either stay on I-15 or fork off via I-84. Way prettier than Kansas, Eastern Colorado, and Eastern Wyoming, but a bit hairy for trailers at some points.


45 posted on 08/17/2012 11:04:23 PM PDT by FredZarguna (Paul Craig Roberts: now with 50% more Crazy.)
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To: FredZarguna

Yep, it does pretty much depend on where in Idaho he’s going to end up. Mine was a south-to-north route; his may well be a north-to-south. I nearly ended up routing through New Mexico on that run. It’s a really, really big country.


46 posted on 08/17/2012 11:23:14 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: FredZarguna

That is a fun way. Probably not good for Ohio-Utah, unless far Southern Utah is the destination.


47 posted on 08/17/2012 11:32:16 PM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: BitWielder1; America_Right
Shipping to an FFL back home will likely invoke a form 4473 when you pick up your guns. Both the shipping FFL and receiving FFL will enter the serial numbers, etc., in their respective bound books - which they turn over to ATF when they surrender their license. If you pick up more than one handgun per week, the dealer must fill out form 3310.12 and immediately forward it to ATF. Don't know the customary fee in your local but expect to pay the receiving dealer $20 to $25 per gun, maybe something similar to the shipper, plus the express shipping costs.

Spend your money on some good cases and locks, avoid Illinois and Denver, and keep a low profile.

48 posted on 08/17/2012 11:56:33 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: America_Right
Though not exactly specific to firearm transport;
Avoiding Chicago can be good advice too, as another has offered on this forum.

If one is not familiar with the route, going Westbound, one can end up getting off of I-80, and onto the Skyway. Toll roads to deal with there, too. No big deal for the junk in the trunk as long as nothing accidental happens, but still a consideration. Heavy traffic around Chicago. Main travel hours are murder. Can stretch until late in the evening, too.

There are other ways across from Central Ohio that can miss Chicago. Get a good, large book type Atlas. In truck stops the paperback binding kind can usually be had for less than ten dollars. I always used the ring binder type. More expensive, but I was driving without any electronic nav aids. All old fashioned maps.

Oh, wait. Some backroad areas in Ohio, also watch for Amish buggys going real slow. Those small towns can be loaded with traffic cops too. Be smart, and not in a big rush.

Some cell phones can give one maps and direction, but there isn't quite anything like having a map one can hold in their hands, even if also using the electronic stuff of any type (smart phone, or gps).

For long range driving, we would always figure 50 mph average. One can beat that with an automobile, particularly in States which may have varying speed limits for trucks and passenger cars. Yet to maintain that average over available working hours, one would still need to keep their butt in the seat, and their hands upon the wheel.

You'll be on I-80 most of the way? There shouldn't be much trouble. Don't be paranoid of course, but consider "rush hours" when transiting any metropolitan area. Rush hours it can be a little crowded around places not real big, like Davenport Iowa, Des Moines, Omaha Lincoln, Nebraska, but not too bad. There's a real beauty of a truckstop near Grand Island, Nebraska. Exit 312. Has some sections salvaged from the World Trade Center on display. Near Davenport, but a bit West there is "The Largest Truckstop in the World". It's not a big deal to me... I don't think the food is all that good. Hell, I'd park at the Pilot on the South side of the Interstate if I had a delivery the following morning in the Davenport area, just to save the time getting in and out of the joint, and crossing over the highway.

Avoid Indianapolis if possible and practical too, that is if your Ohio location is in the Southern part, which could well lead you through Indy. Heavy traffic...a few cops on the side of the road here and there, both East and West...they will nail drivers for little over in "town".

Haven't been driving OTR for about ten months, but would expect there still to be some construction around Indy, and maybe on the West side I-70 too, out some miles. Someone else could weigh in with more specifics.

49 posted on 08/18/2012 12:01:55 AM PDT by BlueDragon (going to change my name to "Nobody" then run for elective office)
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To: America_Right

Avoid Illinois at all costs. Take the ferry from Michigan to Wisconsin - well worth the $150 the thugs in Obamaland.

http://www.ssbadger.com/home.aspx


50 posted on 08/18/2012 12:19:32 AM PDT by Mormon Cricket
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