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Obama Lied To The Illinois Bar About Barry Soetoro
http://secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com/ ^ | 08/18/2012

Posted on 08/18/2012 8:41:03 AM PDT by Sasparilla

Why did Barack Obama lie about never using the name Barry Soetoro on his Registration with the Illinois Bar Association? "Full Former names" is the second question on the ATTORNEY'S REGISTRATION AND PUBLIC DISCIPLINARY RECORD.

However, instead of Listing "Barry Soetoro," he wrote the word "NONE" on the "Former Names Used" line.

The Bar wants to know EVERYTHING on the background about its members, and generally do not look kindly on deception by applicants or members. This could have lead to more questions about "Barry Soetoro" if he disclosed that name. Such as, when, where, and how was it used. There could have been requests by the Bar for supporting documents that were used with than name which could prove embarrassing.

The Bar website address for his form is http://www.iardc.org/ldetail.asp?id=584273216 However, your request may not go through. If not, go to the Illinois website: http://www.iardc.org/lawyersearch.asp and enter "Obama" and then click on his name for verification, or read below.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: obamalies

1 posted on 08/18/2012 8:41:12 AM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: Sasparilla

He’d just say little B.S. was a “composite”


2 posted on 08/18/2012 8:47:39 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: Sasparilla
he wrote the word "NONE" on the "Former Names Used" line.

Well ... he lied. That's what psychopathic liars do ... they lie.

3 posted on 08/18/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Sasparilla

As I recall Willard Mitt Romney also lied about the Willard part of his name...

He said his name was Mitt and always had been...

However his legal name is Willard...


4 posted on 08/18/2012 9:00:15 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Sasparilla
However, instead of Listing "Barry Soetoro," he wrote the word "NONE" on the "Former Names Used" line.

The annointed one doesn't have to answer correctly to a racist form, invented by the evil, capitalist whites to keep down the poor and downtrodden (who somehow attended two Ivy League schools).
5 posted on 08/18/2012 9:02:37 AM PDT by JayNorth (Barack Obama and Joe Biden are proof positive that two wrongs don't make a right!)
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To: Sasparilla

Simple!He(Obama)ONLY knows how to LIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


6 posted on 08/18/2012 9:03:10 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: Tennessee Nana

Are you prepared to document that?


7 posted on 08/18/2012 9:04:15 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now!)
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To: Sasparilla

According to Snopes he used Obama at Occidental. I don’t know what he used at the uppity private HS he attended, but it doesn’t matter. Until he was 18 he was a minor and any name used would be the legal responsibility of parent or legal guardian. If he chose Obama after 18, he can truthfully claim it is the only name he used because it’s the only name he identified himself with after majority.. The questionnaire asks names YOU used not names AKA. There’s a legal difference.


8 posted on 08/18/2012 9:05:27 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: bigbob

I wonder if Chris Mathews will get a thrill up his leg when he asks Barry about this.


9 posted on 08/18/2012 9:06:46 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: layman

“That’s what psychopathic liars do ... they lie.”

And....with convincing ease. I believe they develop a psychological mechanism over time that conditions them to accept their own lies as fact, especially when it helps them to attain a personal objective. Obama’s innumerable “contradictions” are certainly evidence of that.


10 posted on 08/18/2012 9:10:30 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: ExGeeEye

No

I paraphrased what was said...

But Willard did deny he had any other name but Mitt...

For some reason I think Willard was being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer...


11 posted on 08/18/2012 9:12:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: xkaydet65
Re #8; This then would bring up the issue of whether or not Barry regained his citizenship at 18 after his mother had renounced it for him so that they could legally live in Indonesia with her husband. The State Department would have records on that unless he has pulled a Clintonesque purging of his file.
12 posted on 08/18/2012 9:13:16 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Sasparilla

Any FR birther could have told you this four years ago.


13 posted on 08/18/2012 9:13:59 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (The Tree of Liberty suffers from a 236-year drought.)
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To: xkaydet65

According to the punahou yearbook his name on his graduating photo was Barack Obama. I don’t think he used Soetoro in high school. I think he was called Barry at Oxy but still with the last name of Obama. It was very cool for blacks to have African names. He was really trying to be black by that point.


14 posted on 08/18/2012 9:17:28 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Tennessee Nana

Mitt applied to Illinois bar???? /s


15 posted on 08/18/2012 9:21:01 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Tennessee Nana

My brother’s first name is Robert....EVERYONE has ALWAYS called him Mike ( a shortened version of his middle name Michael). He has gone by this name his whole life. If you ask him what his name is he would say Mike.


16 posted on 08/18/2012 9:23:43 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Tennessee Nana

Do you walk to work or carry your lunch,

or,

Do you walk to lunch or carry your work?

Inquiring minds want to know!


17 posted on 08/18/2012 9:25:20 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

You know from my posting history I reject Mitt for his idolatry, and will not vote for him. However, just to be fair, a given name can be changed simply by usage. If someone was named Willard on their BC, but was always called Mitt, under the principle of common law name change, Mitt really is their name. Evidence goes to things like driver’s license, passports, checking, usage among friends, etc.

So without having the precise wording of what he said to the interviewer, it is premature and probably incorrect to assume he was lying about that particular point.


18 posted on 08/18/2012 9:34:51 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Well, I’ll have to give that every bit of consideration it is due.


19 posted on 08/18/2012 9:44:29 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now!)
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To: Sasparilla

A lie is a lie NO matter what the question. Evasive is lying. Prevaricating is lying. Politicians in general seem quite adept at this.


20 posted on 08/18/2012 9:53:11 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Sasparilla

This is on one of the top ten most ridiculous articles posted on FR. The Illinois State Bar association, is an association, a club. The members probably get discounts on education courses, a fancy certificate to hang on wall, group insurance, etc.

If the check clears and he passed the bar then he is a member.

http://www.isba.org/about

Probably the only reason for asking for prior names is to avoid duplicates in case of marriage or other name changes.


21 posted on 08/18/2012 9:55:07 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Springfield Reformer
Several Presidents are known by a name other than their original first name:

Ulysses Grant
Grover Cleveland
Woodrow Wilson
Calvin Coolidge

Not to mention "Jimmy" Carter.

Dan Quayle is known by a shortened form of his middle name.

22 posted on 08/18/2012 9:56:43 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: xkaydet65

Evidently the Illinois bar dod not agree with you.

He aint got no license No Mo.


23 posted on 08/18/2012 9:57:22 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: xkaydet65

Evidently the Illinois bar did not agree with you.

He aint got no license No Mo.


24 posted on 08/18/2012 9:57:39 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Sasparilla

“The Bar wants to know EVERYTHING on the background about its members,”

If this is true than the Bar should have all the information on transcripts, what circumstances surrounding his admission to colleges etc.

If the Bar can’t release all that info how is it someone got the info about his not reporting aliases?


25 posted on 08/18/2012 10:02:10 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: Sasparilla
I agree with Freeper KennyBunk. Barry's entire lie has been a lie. The real truth? We may never know.

Does his life start in Hawaii or Kenya? Or somewhere else?

His mother is impregnated by who?

He was born on what date? August 4th? Or some other date.?

Born at what hospital? In a hospital?

We know that Obama Sr. was a beard and that it was an arranged marriage. We also know that Barry lied many times about his parent's '...improbable marriage." We know that Stanley Ann and Obama Sr. never lived together in Hawaii and that he left shortly afterwards.

We do know that at a young age Barry was acquainted with Frank Marshall Davis. Based on a poem (it is believed that Davis actually wrote the poem) Barry supposedly wrote and submitted it is believed he may have been introduced to homosexual activities by Davis. It is believed Obama spent the early part of his years involved in homosexual liasions.

We know that within two years Stanley Ann married Soetoro. We assume he adopted Barry but we don't know for sure. We know Barry was enrolled in a muslim school in Indonesia. To do so he may have had to have been adopted and become an Indonesian citizen.

We do know he went to high school in Hawaii, and that he did drugs. We don't know for sure whether or not he was a dealer.

We know he went to Occidental in California, and that he was a pot head and cocaine abuser. We know he was taken under the wing of a homosexual professor at Occidental and that this association may have been the method for him entering Columbia. He may have enrolled in the General Studies program and NOT the select university. We don't know anything about his scholarship at Occidental.

Only a few people have ever stated they knew Barry at Columbia. Hundreds of people who SHOULD have known him have no recollection of him. We have no record of his application to or his scholarship at Columbia. It is believed he may have enrolled as a foreign student (Indonesian, Kenyan?) and that he may have fraudulently taken financial aid under this title.

It is believed Percy Sutton may have recommended him to the Harvard Law school and that he was not made to take the LSAT. There are no known records of his application to or scholarship at HLS. He was elected president of the HLR based on popularity and certain black professors who supported him.

We know that following his return to the mainland from Hawaii he spent 13 years as a bachelor, 10 of those years prior to meeting Michelle. Yet there are no women who have ever come forward to claim that they had a long dating history with Barry, had sexual relations with Barry. Likewise there are no photographs of Barry and a woman on a date, a holiday, a vacation, or with either family. There are, however, suggestions that he practiced a homosexual lifestyle, especially in Chicago.

We know for a fact that Barry did NOt write either book. There is NOTHING in his prior background at Occidental, Columbia, HLS or the UofC that even intimates he was familiar with grammar or had the muse to create the two tomes. It is believed that Bill Ayers ghosted 'Dreams' (read Deconstructing Obama, Cashill) and that his wunderkind speech writer, Jon Favreau wrote 'Audacity.

These lies and obfuscations only touch the tip of the lying iceberg. The fact that NO lamestream media outlet, right or left, has any interest in uncovering the truth tells us what Conservatives are up against today.

26 posted on 08/18/2012 10:27:49 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: fella
This then would bring up the issue of whether or not Barry regained his citizenship at 18 after his mother had renounced it for him so that they could legally live in Indonesia with her husband. The State Department would have records on that unless he has pulled a Clintonesque purging of his file.

This is the kind of thing that makes those repeating it look like fools or the tin foil hat brigade. (I'm not saying you are either, but that you should check before repeating this nonsense so you won't look like a fool.)

A parent CAN'T renounce citizenship for a minor. A minor can't renounce without convincing the consular officer the minor completely understands and is very clear on the consequences. Read the US State Dept on renunciation. Scroll down to section "F".

27 posted on 08/18/2012 10:33:30 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Sasparilla

This is very old news. We knew about it back during the ‘08 campaign. The GOP hasn’t done anything about it for over 4 years and until they find their huevos, nothing will ever been done about it. I blame them far, far more than the RATs.


28 posted on 08/18/2012 10:43:04 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Sasparilla

Obama lying on an official document? There’s a relevation...


29 posted on 08/18/2012 10:56:25 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: sometime lurker
You've nuged me into a little more research, here are the regulations as they effected Barry:

“Loss of Citizenship Clarified – 1940 and 1952 Immigration and Nationality Acts

Source: What’s your evidence – A top notch resource for any Eligibility Researcher

Immigration law has been complicated due to the fact that Congress has passed various acts and amendments to said acts. We shall start with the Act of 1940 and then discuss the changes made in 1952 since these are relevant to President Obama as he was born in 1961. The results are that Obama would not have lost his US birth right citizenship, even if his parents had managed to obtain an Indonesian citizenship for him, something prohibited by Indonesian law.

Section 401 said as follows:

“A person who is a national of the United States, whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by: (a) Obtaining naturalization in a foreign state, either upon his own application or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, however, That nationality not be lost as the result of the naturalization of a parent unless and until the child shall have attained the age of twenty-three years without acquiring permanent residence in the United States:…..” (Italics in original; Red added)

Section 407 reads as follows:

A person having American nationality, who is a minor and is residing in a foreign state with or under the legal custody of a parent who loses American nationality under section 404 of this Act, shall at the same time lose his American nationality if such minor has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state: Provided, That, in such case, American nationality shall not be lost as the result of loss of American nationality by the parent unless and until the child attains the age of twenty-three years without having acquired permanent residence in the United States.

In 1952 another Immigration and Nationality Act was passed

The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, section 349 (a), provided:

“From and after the effective date of this Act a person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by — (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application, upon an application filed in his behalf by a parent, or duly authorized agent, or through the naturalization of a parent having legal custody of such person: Provided, That nationality shall not be lost by any person under this section as the result of the naturalization of a parent or parents while such person is under the age of twenty-one years, or as the result of naturalization obtained on behalf of a person under twenty-one years of age by a parent, guardian, or duly authorized agent, unless such person shall fail to enter the United States to establish a permanent residence prior to his twenty-fifth birthday: ….” (Italics in original; Bold added)

Section 355 of that Act provided that:

“A person having United States nationality, who is under the age of twenty-one and whose residence is in a foreign state with or under the legal custody of a parent who hereafter loses United States nationality under section 350 or 352 of this title, shall also lose his United States nationality if such person has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state: Provided, That, in such case, United States nationality shall not be lost as the result of loss of United States nationality by the parent unless and until the person attains the age of twenty-five years without having established his residence in the United States.” (Italics in original; Bold added).”

You seem to be right but that does leave some questions about the establishment of residence.

30 posted on 08/18/2012 11:05:45 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Sasparilla
The Bar wants to know EVERYTHING on the background about its members, and generally do not look kindly on deception by applicants or members.

If Romney or Ryan had lied in an equivalent way the suck-ups at ABC, NBC, and the New York Times would be on this - with investigative reporters and the whole works. They would care. As it is, the media whores won't bother to look or care...

The formerly respectable bar association doesn't care either... so much for respecting the law... and equality before it.

Dems are more equal, right?

31 posted on 08/18/2012 11:14:31 AM PDT by GOPJ ("Family: One of God's masterpieces." sign at Chris McMurray's bakery - Crumb and Get It)
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To: fella

Good research! Not much question about residency, though, as there doesn’t seem to be doubt that he attended Punahou high school in Hawaii. I recall that there are class photos of him in high school, maybe even from earlier grades.


32 posted on 08/18/2012 11:16:25 AM PDT by sometime lurker
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To: Yaelle

But there is a likelihood he used his Barry Soetoro passport from Indonesia at age 18 when he visited “Pokkistan”.


33 posted on 08/18/2012 11:54:24 AM PDT by kiltie65
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Any FR birther could have told you this four years ago.

Exactly.....if there are still folks out there who do not know the depth of The Kenyan's deception, read "The Obama Timeline".

34 posted on 08/18/2012 12:05:25 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001. NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Sasparilla

How about a picture ID you know the ID that is RACIST when it comes to VOTER REGISTRATION!!! CRIMINALS! the man is an out an out fraud.


35 posted on 08/19/2012 4:20:20 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (BB)
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To: Sasparilla

bttt


36 posted on 08/19/2012 3:11:29 PM PDT by GOPJ (Politics is war without bloodshed, and war is politics with bloodshed. - Mao Tse Tung. We're at war)
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To: Sasparilla

Hmmmm ..?? Is this going to be the 2nd president who is disbarred ..??????

And .. does anybody remember if Hillary still has her attorney’s license ..?? I thought she lost it at one point.


37 posted on 08/19/2012 4:15:50 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Sasparilla

bttt


38 posted on 08/19/2012 4:22:34 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax
Let us talk about unemployment numbers !


39 posted on 08/19/2012 4:23:18 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: Starboard

“And....with convincing ease. I believe they develop a psychological mechanism over time that conditions them to accept their own lies as fact, especially when it helps them to attain a personal objective. Obama’s innumerable “contradictions” are certainly evidence of that.”

Hmmmmm ..??

That pretty much describes ALL LIBERALS.


40 posted on 08/19/2012 4:27:39 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Tennessee Nana
I paraphrased what was said...

Without an exact quote, your comment has no meaning. Did he say his name is not Willard, or did he say that he has never been known (by family, friends, or associates) as Willard?

41 posted on 08/19/2012 4:37:28 PM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Tennessee Nana
As I recall Willard Mitt Romney also lied about the Willard part of his name...

When has Mitt Romney ever denied his given name is Willard?

You don't really have a clue, do you?

42 posted on 08/19/2012 4:41:29 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

ROTFLMBO!!!!!! Is that all ya got? :D


43 posted on 08/19/2012 4:46:28 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Drew68; Fresh Wind

Let put it this way then RomneyBots...

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he swore to “sustain” Roe V Wade as the law of the land...

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he swore to “protect and “sustain” a woman’s so called “right to abort her unborn child...

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he said that he would have judeges overrule parent rights so that underage girls could get abortions..

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he called for allowing gays in the Boy Scouts

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he called for allowing gays in the military

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he was silent about the Pentagon allowing gays to march in a gay parade in a US military uniform...

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he refused to participate in Chick-Fil-A Day to affirm traditrional marriage..

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he said about illegal aliens in the US “we cant send them all back” and “we must find a path to citizenship”

I dont know what name Willard called himself the day he was silent and refused to comment on Obama allowing AMNESTY for the illegal aliens under 30 and giving our money to pay for the processing of the long lines of over a million off them..

I dont know and I dont care...

What I do care about is the fact that Willard is an immoral piece of trash with the blood of innocent unborn babies on his hannds and that there are RomneyyBot bulliues in these threads doing Willard’s dirty work and insisting that I and other Conservatives roll over and play dead while they attempt to exchange Obama for their own putrid brand of liberal...

Willard’s name is not Rose and all the flowery lies in the world wont cover up the stench of him...


44 posted on 08/19/2012 5:00:14 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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To: Drew68
You don't really have a clue, do you?

No, she does not! She has an agenda.

Just a wild guess, but I think you can put her vote in the Obama column.

45 posted on 08/19/2012 5:08:44 PM PDT by SMM48
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To: Tennessee Nana

Looks like you’ve been caught in a lie.


46 posted on 08/20/2012 2:27:02 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: timestax
HE LIES
47 posted on 08/22/2012 8:46:03 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

BUMP


48 posted on 08/22/2012 8:49:31 AM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax

bttt


49 posted on 08/22/2012 2:33:18 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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To: timestax
Truth will out !
50 posted on 08/30/2012 7:00:44 PM PDT by timestax (Why not drug tests for the President AND all White Hut staff ? ? ?)
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