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There are no ‘assault weapons’
Monachus Lex ^ | August 20, 2012 | John Pierce

Posted on 08/20/2012 7:14:38 PM PDT by JohnPierce

Shortly following the Aurora tragedy, a non-gun-owner friend of mine, obviously upset, began to question me about why I supported ownership of ‘deadly assault weapons.’ Even as he continued his extended, impassioned diatribe, I could tell that he was yet another victim of the media’s ‘assault weapon’ disinformation campaign.

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When he paused, I asked him what he thought an ‘assault weapon’ actually was. Looking at me as if I were mentally challenged, he said that everyone knows “assault weapons are military-style, fully-automatic guns capable of emptying a 100 round magazine in 3 seconds.” When I told him that fully-automatic firearms had been heavily regulated since the National Firearms Act of 1934 he simply stared at me blankly as if unsure what to say. When I went on to point out that, despite public misconceptions, President Clinton’s now-expired ‘Assault Weapons Ban‘ had nothing to do with fully-automatic firearms at all, he sarcastically replied “What kind of idiot would fall for such a thing?”

I felt really bad about my response but the only thing I could think of to say was “Apparently … you.” It took several minutes with Google to convince him that I was telling the truth but he still wasn’t ready to give up the debate. Grudgingly admitting that I might be right, he thought about it a few seconds and said “Then I think we should call everything except single-shot guns assault weapons.”

Amazing enough, he had stumbled upon the truth without even realizing it, or at least ‘a’ truth. As Wikipedia so aptly states, the term ‘assault weapon’ is not a technical term describing an actual type of firearm but rather a political term denoting whatever firearm the anti-gun crowd wishes to demonize, regulate, and ban at a given point in time.

During the Clinton Assault Weapon Ban, the definition included any semi-auto firearm with cosmetic features emulating that of fully automatic firearms. Let that settle into the logic center of your brain for a few minutes … it was literally a ban on ‘looks’ and accessories. The same firearm, with the same caliber, ammunition capacity, and rate of fire, would be legal or not depending upon whether it had a bayonet lug or a folding stock. When pressed on the ludicrousness of the definition, many anti-gun activists resorted to simply defining ‘assault weapons’ as “those scary black guns.”

And the ridiculousness of the law was also not lost on its sponsors or supporters. In 1996, syndicated columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote a piece titled “Disarm the Citizenry, But Not Yet” in which he stated that:

In fact, the assault weapons ban will have no significant effect either on the crime rate or on personal security. Nonetheless, it is a good idea … Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the United States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically. It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic — purely symbolic — move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation.

Even the Department of Justice acknowledged the fact that the so-called ‘Assault Weapons’ ban was ineffective as a tool to fight crime. In a study titled “Updated Assessment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban: Impacts on Gun Markets and Gun Violence, 1994-2003,” the DOJ found that:

Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban.

But facts have little to do with politics at the best of times and those who oppose gun rights for citizens have used the Aurora attack as a springboard to launch new attacks on ‘assault weapons’, whatever they might be at the moment.

So as these new ‘debates’ rage on … the next time you hear someone talking about ‘assault weapons’, tell them they simply don’t exist and challenge them to prove otherwise. They might just learn something even if they won’t admit it.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: assaultweapons; aurora; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 08/20/2012 7:14:42 PM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

Another point: As I understood it, the major number of deaths in Aurora were not from the 5.56 semi-auto, but from a shotgun.

If that is true, the whole “AW” argument is additionally proven - again - to be all a lie.....

But what else is new with the libs? It’s all lies, all the time....


2 posted on 08/20/2012 7:25:00 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: Arlis

I had not heard that. Thanks for the heads-up! I will do some Googling to see what I can find.


3 posted on 08/20/2012 7:30:32 PM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

Automobile fatality’s rival all gun fatality’s combined.
Ban Assault Prious’s!


4 posted on 08/20/2012 7:31:03 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JohnPierce

Anyone who doesn’t think that there are assault weapons hasn’t seen one of these.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmtiger


5 posted on 08/20/2012 7:34:48 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: JohnPierce

I’d like two T shirts. One would say: I could hear you better if you pulled your head out of your ass.

The other would say: Don’t get behind me. I always end up in the slowest line.


6 posted on 08/20/2012 7:36:07 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Arlis
As I understood it, the major number of deaths in Aurora were not from the 5.56 semi-auto, but from a shotgun.

Ruh-roh! If they figure that out then they'll just add shotguns to Ban List along with cosmetically scary guns.

7 posted on 08/20/2012 7:36:40 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: mylife

Lol. Once when we were trying to get rid of the ban on guns where alcohol is served in Virginia, I wrote a sarcastic / humerous article comparing gun laws and alcohol laws where I played up the use of the demonizing terms the anti’s use against guns.

You can see it at http://monachuslex.com/?p=265

Scroll down to the Sarcasm Ahead section.

I don’t claim to be a comedian but I had fun with that one. :)


8 posted on 08/20/2012 7:37:59 PM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: PAR35

Holy Smoke! I want one. Lol


9 posted on 08/20/2012 7:40:07 PM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

A broom stick can be an “assault broom stick” if I use it in an assault...


10 posted on 08/20/2012 7:46:51 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: JohnPierce

Thanks!


11 posted on 08/20/2012 8:01:45 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: PAR35
My HD weapon:

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PD CCW:


12 posted on 08/20/2012 8:08:50 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Cobra64

Wow! After absorbing the entire package, the keys hanging from the grip were the perfect finishing touch! :)


13 posted on 08/20/2012 8:12:00 PM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

“comparing gun laws and alcohol laws”

It is easy to fool the public. The great majority of people don’t realize that alcohol (ethanol) is a drug...


14 posted on 08/20/2012 8:16:28 PM PDT by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Yep.


15 posted on 08/20/2012 8:17:36 PM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

It’s a shame we even have to convince people to value their God given inalienable birth right to own assault rifles and every other implement of war. I prefer to ignore them but that isn’t as useful as converting them. I suppose I would offer to take this individual to the range and help him get over his his irrational fear with an afternoon of shooting metal silhouettes.


16 posted on 08/20/2012 8:18:54 PM PDT by RC one
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To: Cobra64

Your “assault weapon” is totally worthless without rappelling gear and a built-in personal flotation device! Might as well throw in an integrated gas-mask & optics combo, as well as a rearward firing taser for over-the-shoulder engagements. :-/


17 posted on 08/20/2012 8:18:54 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: JohnPierce
Yeah, it's one of my favorite "assault weapon" pics.

This is more practical, I think. Too bad it was lost in a boating accident.


18 posted on 08/20/2012 8:26:37 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: mylife

Falls kill more people than assault weapons. Repeal that gravity law.


19 posted on 08/20/2012 8:28:07 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I am NOT from Vermont. I am from MA. And I don't support Romney. Please read before "assuming.")
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To: ThunderSleeps
I got the conventional, rear facing, .38 spl, over-the-shoulder prototype in development...

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Meanwhile, I'm teaching my wife how to control this:


20 posted on 08/20/2012 8:35:41 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Vermont Lt
You are probably correct.

Life is guaranteed to result in death.

21 posted on 08/20/2012 8:38:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: JohnPierce

As they say on National Palisimain Radio, “Lets’s do the numbers.”

100 rounds in 3 seconds = 33.3 per second.
33.3 X 60 = 1998 rounds per minute.

1998 rounds per minute = rotary cannon, NOT a mere ‘assault weapon.”


22 posted on 08/20/2012 9:01:18 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: meatloaf

Both great!


23 posted on 08/20/2012 9:17:38 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Cobra64

Could you make a video of you lighting off that 50 cal BMG and post it? Then tell us how the hand reattachment surgery?

Use to shoot a Ruger Super Blackhawk 44 mag and two hands was mandatory. That BMG would need to welded to an anvil!!


24 posted on 08/20/2012 9:56:53 PM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: Bernard Marx

Probably not. They know banning shotguns will never fly in a hunting nation. First they have to re-define (as always) “assault weapons” and get them banned.

So it’s likely they will keep the shotgun thing about Aurora - if it’s true - secret. Their objective for now is “assault weapons.”

The libs/communists are very patient for achieving one step at a time and not over-reaching. Gradual conquest...the old frog in the slowly warming pot theory....works every time.

Look how far they’ve taken us already? They are more than 50% toward their goal of taking us over.....

But putting Obama in office just may have been an overreach......let’s hope and pray so......


25 posted on 08/20/2012 9:57:42 PM PDT by Arlis (.)
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To: Arlis

I want to read this more carefully later


26 posted on 08/21/2012 1:09:18 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (government health officials seem to have the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.)
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To: JohnPierce
the term ‘assault weapon’ is not a technical term describing an actual type of firearm but rather a political term denoting whatever firearm the anti-gun crowd wishes to demonize, regulate, and ban at a given point in time.

It’s worse than that – given the definitions:

Assault
1 to attack someone in a violent way

Weapon
1 something that you use to fight with or attack someone with, such as a knife, bomb, or gun

An assault weapon could be any object that could be used as a weapon to assault or attack someone. It could apply to almost anything deemed to be a Weapon.

27 posted on 08/21/2012 5:10:31 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (Why is the Democratic National Committee waging a War on liberty?)
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To: JohnPierce
There are no ‘assault weapons’

I wouldn't say that.

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28 posted on 08/21/2012 12:34:08 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: GladesGuru
100 rounds in 3 seconds = 33.3 per second.
33.3 X 60 = 1998 rounds per minute.

1998 rounds per minute = rotary cannon, NOT a mere ‘assault weapon.”

Nah. Just your old run-of-the-mill MG42,M53 SARAK, or MG3 with the light bolt.

29 posted on 08/21/2012 12:39:47 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Cobra64

30 posted on 08/21/2012 12:52:25 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: archy

Any single barrel weapon will overheat rapidly under sustained fire near 2,000 rounds per minute. I was not, of course, referring to burst fire.


31 posted on 08/21/2012 6:29:48 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru
Any single barrel weapon will overheat rapidly under sustained fire near 2,000 rounds per minute. I was not, of course, referring to burst fire.

Well, the Villar-Perosa of 1914 managed about 1500 RPM, and in a twin-gun configuration was a reasonably effective defensive weapon for the aircraft of the early days of WWI. Barrel overheating was minimalized in three ways: the weapon fired from an open bolt using a pistol-caliber cartridge, from a limited capacity magazine, and rode in the 100 mph+ airflow of the observer's position in the aircraft.

The MG42 derived beltfed guns get around barrel overheating with frequent barrel changes, around every 500 rounds or so per my experience with German tank crews, who run off longer bursts than their Infantry countertparts who have to haul ammo on their backs. The WWI German Gast MG, chambered for the standard German 7,92mm rifle/MG cartridge, managed 1600 RPM [single mechanism/double barrelled, and again, magazine fed [2x 180-round drums.]

By the end of WWII, the Germans had machine cannon for aircraft developed to the point that two or three projectiles were in the barrel at the same time. See Chinn for details.

32 posted on 08/21/2012 6:48:52 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy
When you absotively posilutely have to take out a room of Colonels and Generals in the shortest amount of time...The MAC-10 (personal preference in .45acp.as ahown)


33 posted on 08/21/2012 9:58:46 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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