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Rape Pregnancies Are Rare
Christian Life Resources ^ | April 1999 | John C. Willke, M.D.

Posted on 08/22/2012 3:08:34 PM PDT by JediJones

First, let's define the term "rape." When pro-lifers speak of rape pregnancies, we should commonly use the phrase "forcible rape" or "assault rape," for that specifies what we're talking about. Rape can also be statutory. Depending upon your state law, statutory rape can be consensual, but we're not addressing that here.

Assault rape pregnancies are extremely rare. Most pro-lifers have heard this comment, but too often cannot back it up with facts. A candidate for office in the State of Arkansas made this comment before the last elections. He was roundly criticized and ridiculed by the opposing candidate and the media. Unfortunately, there was no evidence that he offered substantive proof to back up his claim that rape pregnancies were rare.

How many forcible rapes result in a pregnancy? Some feminists have claimed as high as 5 to 10 percent, which is absurd.

Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one knows, but this factor certainly cuts this last figure by at least 50 percent and probably more. If we use the 50 percent figure, we have a final figure of 225 (or 370) women pregnant each year.

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Most likely this is the article, written by a doctor, where Todd Akin got his information. So the entire country is about to crucify a man because he read an article from a medical professional and made a reference to it in an interview. Nice.
1 posted on 08/22/2012 3:08:43 PM PDT by JediJones
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To: JediJones

The title of the thread should be “Rape Pregnancies Are Rare”. Please correct it if you can, mods.


2 posted on 08/22/2012 3:09:44 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: JediJones

All very nice, doesn’t matter. Akin lost all the “feelings” voters with this statement. He’d have had to parse like a lawyer to not do so.


3 posted on 08/22/2012 3:19:14 PM PDT by steve8714
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To: steve8714

And you think Romney’s getting the “feelings” voters with gaffes like “I like being able to fire people” and “I’m not concerned about the very poor?”


4 posted on 08/22/2012 3:27:39 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: JediJones

Just let this go and it will be forgotten in a few days. Most of the dust up seems to come from the Right. If Hannity would shut the hell up about it, it would be a blip. But, no. He’s gotta get ratings and so he repeats himself over and over about this non issue.

This will not affect republicans nationally and I still suspect that come November, Missourians will be far more p.o.’ed by the dismal economy and vote McCaskill out.


5 posted on 08/22/2012 3:30:40 PM PDT by Jake8898
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To: JediJones

32,000 pregnancies as a result of rape per year do not constitute...”rare”.


6 posted on 08/22/2012 3:30:53 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: JediJones

From 1999. Interesting.


7 posted on 08/22/2012 3:32:17 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: JediJones

SO.... more people are killed in Detroit in a year, than children born from rape ?

This whole controversy extends from the pretended offense by the MSM and Politicians over the word ‘legitimate’, which implied that women would lie about rape.

This is why the ‘reaction’ from the left. They cannot acknowledge ‘facts’ when it comes to dealing with the lies they are so used to telling.

I’m not dumping on the women. God knows men lie all the time. Men and women lie differently, and about different things. These are facts.

The ‘fertility’ of the female womb is an issue when it comes to unwanted pregnancy. In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision. Her body responds.

Again, these are facts. Medical History. As I say, this is a ‘pretended’ offense, meant to hide the truth, which is that opponents to McCaskill are just pawns being thrown away.

The only MISTAKE Akin made was in assuming that the ‘public’ was intelligent enough to avoid being led around by the nose with such a simple and easily verifiable reference, and something that most women experience intimately.


8 posted on 08/22/2012 3:35:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (RED NECK KUNG FU by Corn Fuschas)
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To: JediJones
Yes, this is the article Akin was referring to.

IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. Its conclusions have been proven incorrect, as reported in a host of places; nobody, including its author, defends it as legitimate.

9 posted on 08/22/2012 3:36:58 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: JediJones

Akin should have been astute enough not to have mentioned this in a public forum knowing that the media would spin his words against him.


10 posted on 08/22/2012 3:38:02 PM PDT by MeganC (The Cinemark theatre in Aurora, CO is a 'Gun Free Zone'. Spread the word.)
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To: JediJones

The Mrs. and I have been trying to get pregnant for 6 months now, and all I can say is that getting pregnant is hard! There is a very small window of time that an egg can be fertilized and properly settle into the lining of the uterus. Compound that with stress from work and difficulty in the timing of intimacy, and I fear it’ll be impossible.

I’ve had more of an education in the last 6 months on the female reproductive system than I ever had in school.

I don’t know the specifics behind it, but I do understand that the body goes through myriad changes when under stress/duress, and one of them is to increase specific hormones that have been linked to miscarriages.

So while it’s not necessarily true that EVERY rape would go without a fertilized ovum, if enough stress hormones are released to cause a woman’s body chemistry to go out of whack, I don’t see how it’s unfeasible that the egg would either not latch onto to the uterine lining, detach from it, or miscarry after a certain time.

Also, has anyone considered that many rapists are “smart” enough to use condoms? Statutory rape, fine I understand that’s probably some dumb kids who didn’t pay attention in sex ed and didn’t wrap it up, but someone who wants to commit a forcible felony and not be caught, I would think, would be smart enough to carry rubbers. Am I off base in that way of thinking?


11 posted on 08/22/2012 3:42:19 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: JediJones
“Rape Pregnancies Are Rare”

True or not; this is one of the dumber things to be talking about before an election. It is a gift wrapped present for Dems to use against an opponent.

It fits and reinforces their whole “war on woman” thingy perfectly.

12 posted on 08/22/2012 3:43:18 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: xjcsa
A caller into Rush today claimed an arm of Planned Parenthood made the same claim c. 1970, but Rush hadn't verified it by the end of the show. I don't think it is so, but it would be interesting if Planned Parenthood had said so.
13 posted on 08/22/2012 3:44:55 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer (Obama been Liberal. Hope Change!)
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To: xjcsa
You're wrong about the article's author. Another article on this quotes the writer as backing up his original claims to the NY Times this week. See below. However other doctors refute his claims. Akin also never said he knew this was true, he just said "from what he understood" from a doctor's writings. So why is Akin suddenly the Worst Person in the World for referencing an article from a medical professional, whether it was wrong or not? It seems like such a thing could happen to anyone.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/19332290/no-truth-to-todd-akins-legitimate-rape-hinders-pregnancy-claim

While Akin's views on rape and pregnancy may come as a surprise to many, it is commonly cited in anti-abortion circles and stems at least partly from the writings of Dr. John Willke, former president of the National Right to Life Committee. He put forth the view in a book originally published in 1985.

Willke this week summarized his views to The New York Times, saying, "This [rape] is a traumatic thing -- she's, shall we say, she's uptight," he said of a woman who is being raped. "She is frightened, tight and so on. And sperm, if deposited in her vagina, are less likely to be able to fertilize. The tubes are spastic."

Willke also contended that pregnancy is unlikely because half of rapists "do not deposit sperm in the vagina," either because (he said) many rapists aren't fertile and many prefer anal intercourse.

14 posted on 08/22/2012 3:46:35 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
It fits and reinforces their whole “war on woman” thingy perfectly.

In the Democrat's eyes, being pro-life is a "war on women." Which totally ignores how many unborn girls abortion kills. And how girls are far more likely to be killed by abortion in some countries and cultures. So right there is a 2-sentence way to win the "war on women" that spineless, gutless, liberal RINO Republicans like Romney would never do.

15 posted on 08/22/2012 3:48:58 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Incorrigible

Turns out the article’s author is the former head of the National Right to Life Committee and first espoused this opinion in 1985. As I’ve said elsewhere, this article is not an isolated piece. His opinion on rape and pregnancy is all over the web on tons of pro-life sites. Akin was espousing what’s considered common knowledge among pro-life organizations. They may be wrong, I don’t know, but he’s not stupid, or crazy, or anything like that.


16 posted on 08/22/2012 3:50:46 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: UCANSEE2
There's a medical condition known as "spontaneous abortion" where a woman's body will reject a foetus or the uterus will become a hostile environment and miscarriage results.

Here are some interesting articles on how stress can cause miscarriage if not outright lack of fertility:

How Stress Causes Miscarriage

Stress 'linked to miscarriages'

Stress triples threat of an early miscarriage

Stress and Infertility

Study: Stress hormones suppress fertility

If anything, Akin is guilty of being misinformed on the facts of stress-related miscarriages/lack of fertilization during the commission of a rape, but there's plenty of science to back up the claim that a woman's body can react to the stress of a rape in a way that she cannot control and that would result in no child being conceived.

17 posted on 08/22/2012 3:50:53 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: MeganC
Akin should have been astute enough not to have mentioned this in a public forum knowing that the media would spin his words against him.

Maybe, but every politician makes gaffes. No one says things totally perfectly all of the time. Akin and even all his prominent supporters admit he made a mistake with his phrasing and framing of his response. We just don't think he deserves the political death penalty over it.

18 posted on 08/22/2012 3:52:45 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: UCANSEE2
"The ‘fertility’ of the female womb is an issue when it comes to unwanted pregnancy. In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision. Her body responds."

So you would maintain that a miscarriage = abortion? Seriously?

"Again, these are facts. Medical History."

Akin is now on the record as saying he was medically wrong to say that the "female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."

The only MISTAKE Akin made was in assuming that the ‘public’ was intelligent enough to avoid being led around by the nose with such a simple and easily verifiable reference, and something that most women experience intimately.

Please stop.


19 posted on 08/22/2012 3:53:14 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: JediJones
So the entire country is about to crucify a man because he read an article from a medical professional and made a reference to it in an interview. Nice.

No. We're about to "crucify" him because he didn't cite any article and because he is so tin-eared that he didn't realize how insensitive he sounded.

A politician can respectfully promote a no-exception policy for abortion by stressing the child's right to live. Minimizing the risks of pregnancy to the raped woman is just knee-slapping dumb.

We've got enough dumb in D.C..

20 posted on 08/22/2012 3:55:38 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Without economic freedom, no other form of freedom can have material meaning.)
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To: JediJones

Kind of a silly article.

Assumes all rapes are reported, and then uses not particularly logical reasoning to whittle down the numbers more.

OTOH, the 30,000 number for annual rape pregnancies commonly reported is also likely to be seriously flawed.

For it to be accurate, a women must be twice as likely to get pregnant from rape as from an act of consensual intercourse. This seems unlikely. It also requires that 8x as many rapes occur as are reported, which also seems high. Which means these numbers are probably cooked to some extent.

It is almost certain the real number is somewhere between 225 (or 370) and 30,000. We’ll probably never have solid numbers on such a politically charged issue.


21 posted on 08/22/2012 3:55:56 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: green pastures

a·bor·tion

Noun:

1. The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.

2. A miscarriage.


22 posted on 08/22/2012 3:58:01 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: BfloGuy
We've got enough dumb in D.C..

Dumb is as dumb does, and Akin's voting record is very nice from what I've seen. If you're going to throw out every politician for a smarter replacement, they'd all be gone. This firestorm is not happening because of Akin's intellect or lack thereof. If that was true, we'd have a much longer list of people to reject. Bottom line, the smartest people don't go into politics because they can make more money elsewhere. We have to fight with the army we've got. And if their voting record is good, that's good enough for me.

23 posted on 08/22/2012 4:03:55 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: Sherman Logan

Apparently you would prefer to go with the dictionary definition and don’t feel there is a distinction between a miscarriage and an abortion.

To me, there’s a HUGE distinction and I would never equate them as being the same. An accidental miscarriage versus the deliberate ending of a human life are quite different in my book. Which, btw, isn’t Merriam-Webster.

But now another emotionally charged issue can be stirred up. Why not heap more guilt onto women who have had miscarriages....


24 posted on 08/22/2012 4:17:13 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

You are absolutely correct. Why are we even discussing this??? Its absurd. Anyone who believes this can be spun to our favor is delusional.

I have an idea. Why don’t we post articles that prove that most women who are raped were “really asking for it”. Yeah, THAT will show ‘em!!!


25 posted on 08/22/2012 4:19:46 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: green pastures

Just pointing out a fact. A word means what it means, not what you (or I) think it ought to mean.

The meaning of abortion as miscarrioage is actually the original meaning, going back to 1500s.

The present primary meaning is quite recent.


26 posted on 08/22/2012 4:22:24 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DallasSun

You obviously didn’t read the whole article - the doctor (notice, this is written by an MD) comes to the conclusion that pregnancy occurs fewer than 500 times per year - and all the calculus is spelled out. He cites clinical studies that put the number at 200.

I’ve read your responses on other threads - if you have some evidentiary basis for you disagreement, please present it.

I have never fathered a child and I have never raped (by any definition) anybody. My only first-hand knowledge comes from my experience in breeding livestock. I know that different forms of stress on the female can severely impact the likelyhood of conception. I do not know if the same is true in humans - but it seems plausable, and this article claims that the effects I have observed in livestock can also be seen in humans.


27 posted on 08/22/2012 4:25:35 PM PDT by GilesB
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28 posted on 08/22/2012 4:28:44 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: JediJones

Focus people. The proper question is:

Is the best treatment for a rape the murder of a baby?


29 posted on 08/22/2012 4:30:18 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1311 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: JediJones

Want to know the real reason why rape pregnancy is rare?
Because many women use birth control. And those that don’t get treated with post coital contraception. That’s why.


30 posted on 08/22/2012 4:32:03 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Jake8898

We will hear about this for months, nd it is NOT the fault of people like Hannity. It is the idiot kin for even getting into something like this, and the Democrat media. The Dems are going to brush Romney and Ryan (but mostly Ryan) with this. It is bad. McCaskill will beat Akin in a landslide.


31 posted on 08/22/2012 4:32:03 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: JediJones

Even if rare, I would still allow women who have been raped to abort. Of course if I had my way, the rapists would be castrated, emasculated, and executed too.


32 posted on 08/22/2012 4:34:06 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: green pastures

No - the poster did not say that miscarriage is the same as abortion. Stop with that kind of disingenuous argument. It is just dishonest.

What the poster said was the woman makes the decision (like she makes the decision to abort). The implied statement is that her body responds to her abhorrance and the distress of the rape. This was all very clear in what was posted. You dihonestly twisted it to your own ends.

Please argue honestly or not at all.


33 posted on 08/22/2012 4:38:33 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: JediJones

Akin may be really dumb, I don’t know I am not an expert on the subject matter of this controversy. But he sure is NOT acting like a Republican. Any self respecting Republican would have apologized profusely whether he did anything wrong or not, and caved in, backed down and turned tail and QUIT by now. Akin is not acting like your typical gutless spineless courageless Republican, he is acting more like a Democrat in this regard.


34 posted on 08/22/2012 4:40:16 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: Paleo Conservative

Even if rare, I would still allow women who have been raped to abort.


A relative of mine was conceived through rape.

Would you have me puncture her skull and suck her brains out with a wet vac? Perhaps since it’s “too late” she’s safe.


35 posted on 08/22/2012 4:43:55 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

>>I would still allow women who have been raped to abort. <<

My sister was raped. She would not allow a woman who had been raped to abort.

Two wrongs don’t make a right and like it or not, the baby IS half hers.


36 posted on 08/22/2012 4:46:39 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: green pastures

You posted: Akin is now on the record as saying he was medically wrong to say that the “female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

Let me get this straight - when he makes a statement you don’t agree with, he is ignorant and stupid (I don’t know that you have ever posted that he is such - but your tone clearly implies it). But when he says something you agree with, he becomes an authority on the SAME subject. Hmmmmm, interesting.

I would posit that Akin’s opinion, either pro or con, on this subject are of very little illustrative value. and should not be used to debate the merits of the current topic - which is: “Does the human body respond to forcible rape in a way that would decrease the probability of pregnancy?”


37 posted on 08/22/2012 4:46:51 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Sherman Logan

The author does not assume that all rapes are reported - he specifically mentions the under-reporting of rape.

Where does his “whittling down” become illogical? I thought his math was sound - and logic is math.


38 posted on 08/22/2012 4:50:45 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: Reddon

We’ve all complained about Republicans being spineless then one shows some backbone and everyone wants him out!

Make up your GD mind people!


39 posted on 08/22/2012 4:50:50 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Damn it, I will!)
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To: netmilsmom; Paleo Conservative

Two wrongs don’t make a right and like it or not, the baby IS half hers.


The baby is also full the property of God, and made in His image.


40 posted on 08/22/2012 4:54:06 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: GilesB

Actually, so I’m not accused of twisting words, he wrote:

In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision.

Then I asked, “So you would maintain that a miscarriage = abortion?”

Followed by, “Seriously?”

So I am asking the poster if he is equating a miscarriage with abortion. When someone says that someone makes the decision to do something, that implies a conscious or deliberate process.

Not twisting, not disingenuous, not dishonest.


41 posted on 08/22/2012 4:57:33 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: Randy Larsen

AMEN! And I am not defending the guy’s intellect here or his ability handle a hostile press question, but he pretty much votes the way I want him to, on everything.


42 posted on 08/22/2012 4:58:10 PM PDT by Reddon
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

You state the point nicely. The circumstances of conception do not determine the worth of the life - PERIOD.

This whole debate rages because we are too reluctant to face the fact that life is often ugly and hurtful - but this does not justify killing the innocent (which, ironically, only serves to make the world more ugly and hurtful).


43 posted on 08/22/2012 5:01:33 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: DallasSun
32,000 pregnancies as a result of rape per year do not constitute...”rare”.

You're right -- that is a lot.

But where does that 32,000 number come from??? It turns out that those are "self-reported" squishy numbers not hard numbers from police/hospital/medical reports.

Odds are most of that 32,000 came from abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood justifying their federal funding for Medicaid abortions. But since underage girls are the bread and butter of abortion clinics, odds are that those are mostly statutory rape pregnancies that should have been reported to the police as such but aren't.

44 posted on 08/22/2012 5:03:31 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: JediJones
Even though it has happened many times throughout history, I'm sure that Dr. Willke, and Mr. Atkin are familiar with Germany after Ivan's sweep through there in 1945.

If not, ask the doctors, and women what happened 9 months and less after the Russians.

5.56mm

45 posted on 08/22/2012 5:03:44 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

“Would you have me puncture her skull and suck her brains out with a wet vac? “

Only if she was inconvenient or you really, really didn’t want to keep her.


46 posted on 08/22/2012 5:03:57 PM PDT by GilesB
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To: GilesB
"Let me get this straight - when he makes a statement you don’t agree with, he is ignorant and stupid (I don’t know that you have ever posted that he is such - but your tone clearly implies it). But when he says something you agree with, he becomes an authority on the SAME subject. Hmmmmm, interesting.

No. What I think is ignorant and stupid is trying to defend Akin's comments by finding an outdated article-- which he probably read-- after he has come out and stated his comments were medically wrong. Even he's not trying to defend his comments anymore.

Regarding the current topic, please see #9 this thread.

47 posted on 08/22/2012 5:08:17 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: GilesB

Only if she was inconvenient or you really, really didn’t want to keep her.


Alternately, you could always round up the adult children of rape victims and rip them into pieces. I hear that is a popular “procedure.”

Amazing how things look when you put them in perspective...


48 posted on 08/22/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: xjcsa
IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED.

Really? Where? If you're going to make such a strident claim (and in all caps, even), then please post some links.

You know, I keep hearing the word "DEBUNKED" applied to Romney ads that point out that Obama is weakening the work requirement for welfare.

Just because almost every media source is screaming "DEBUNKED" about Romney's welfare claims, does that mean I should believe they've really been "DEBUNKED"?

49 posted on 08/22/2012 5:14:58 PM PDT by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: GilesB

“The circumstances of conception do not determine the worth of the life - PERIOD.”

Exactly!!! So why are the “merits of the current topic - which is: “Does the human body respond to forcible rape in a way that would decrease the probability of pregnancy?” being debated? It’s not relevant.


50 posted on 08/22/2012 5:17:32 PM PDT by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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