Skip to comments.Rape Pregnancies Are Rare
Posted on 08/22/2012 3:08:34 PM PDT by JediJones
First, let's define the term "rape." When pro-lifers speak of rape pregnancies, we should commonly use the phrase "forcible rape" or "assault rape," for that specifies what we're talking about. Rape can also be statutory. Depending upon your state law, statutory rape can be consensual, but we're not addressing that here.
Assault rape pregnancies are extremely rare. Most pro-lifers have heard this comment, but too often cannot back it up with facts. A candidate for office in the State of Arkansas made this comment before the last elections. He was roundly criticized and ridiculed by the opposing candidate and the media. Unfortunately, there was no evidence that he offered substantive proof to back up his claim that rape pregnancies were rare.
How many forcible rapes result in a pregnancy? Some feminists have claimed as high as 5 to 10 percent, which is absurd.
Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one knows, but this factor certainly cuts this last figure by at least 50 percent and probably more. If we use the 50 percent figure, we have a final figure of 225 (or 370) women pregnant each year.
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All very nice, doesn’t matter. Akin lost all the “feelings” voters with this statement. He’d have had to parse like a lawyer to not do so.
And you think Romney’s getting the “feelings” voters with gaffes like “I like being able to fire people” and “I’m not concerned about the very poor?”
Just let this go and it will be forgotten in a few days. Most of the dust up seems to come from the Right. If Hannity would shut the hell up about it, it would be a blip. But, no. He’s gotta get ratings and so he repeats himself over and over about this non issue.
This will not affect republicans nationally and I still suspect that come November, Missourians will be far more p.o.’ed by the dismal economy and vote McCaskill out.
32,000 pregnancies as a result of rape per year do not constitute...”rare”.
From 1999. Interesting.
SO.... more people are killed in Detroit in a year, than children born from rape ?
This whole controversy extends from the pretended offense by the MSM and Politicians over the word ‘legitimate’, which implied that women would lie about rape.
This is why the ‘reaction’ from the left. They cannot acknowledge ‘facts’ when it comes to dealing with the lies they are so used to telling.
I’m not dumping on the women. God knows men lie all the time. Men and women lie differently, and about different things. These are facts.
The ‘fertility’ of the female womb is an issue when it comes to unwanted pregnancy. In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision. Her body responds.
Again, these are facts. Medical History. As I say, this is a ‘pretended’ offense, meant to hide the truth, which is that opponents to McCaskill are just pawns being thrown away.
The only MISTAKE Akin made was in assuming that the ‘public’ was intelligent enough to avoid being led around by the nose with such a simple and easily verifiable reference, and something that most women experience intimately.
IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. Its conclusions have been proven incorrect, as reported in a host of places; nobody, including its author, defends it as legitimate.
Akin should have been astute enough not to have mentioned this in a public forum knowing that the media would spin his words against him.
The Mrs. and I have been trying to get pregnant for 6 months now, and all I can say is that getting pregnant is hard! There is a very small window of time that an egg can be fertilized and properly settle into the lining of the uterus. Compound that with stress from work and difficulty in the timing of intimacy, and I fear it’ll be impossible.
I’ve had more of an education in the last 6 months on the female reproductive system than I ever had in school.
I don’t know the specifics behind it, but I do understand that the body goes through myriad changes when under stress/duress, and one of them is to increase specific hormones that have been linked to miscarriages.
So while it’s not necessarily true that EVERY rape would go without a fertilized ovum, if enough stress hormones are released to cause a woman’s body chemistry to go out of whack, I don’t see how it’s unfeasible that the egg would either not latch onto to the uterine lining, detach from it, or miscarry after a certain time.
Also, has anyone considered that many rapists are “smart” enough to use condoms? Statutory rape, fine I understand that’s probably some dumb kids who didn’t pay attention in sex ed and didn’t wrap it up, but someone who wants to commit a forcible felony and not be caught, I would think, would be smart enough to carry rubbers. Am I off base in that way of thinking?
True or not; this is one of the dumber things to be talking about before an election. It is a gift wrapped present for Dems to use against an opponent.
It fits and reinforces their whole “war on woman” thingy perfectly.
While Akin's views on rape and pregnancy may come as a surprise to many, it is commonly cited in anti-abortion circles and stems at least partly from the writings of Dr. John Willke, former president of the National Right to Life Committee. He put forth the view in a book originally published in 1985.
Willke this week summarized his views to The New York Times, saying, "This [rape] is a traumatic thing -- she's, shall we say, she's uptight," he said of a woman who is being raped. "She is frightened, tight and so on. And sperm, if deposited in her vagina, are less likely to be able to fertilize. The tubes are spastic."
Willke also contended that pregnancy is unlikely because half of rapists "do not deposit sperm in the vagina," either because (he said) many rapists aren't fertile and many prefer anal intercourse.
In the Democrat's eyes, being pro-life is a "war on women." Which totally ignores how many unborn girls abortion kills. And how girls are far more likely to be killed by abortion in some countries and cultures. So right there is a 2-sentence way to win the "war on women" that spineless, gutless, liberal RINO Republicans like Romney would never do.
Turns out the article’s author is the former head of the National Right to Life Committee and first espoused this opinion in 1985. As I’ve said elsewhere, this article is not an isolated piece. His opinion on rape and pregnancy is all over the web on tons of pro-life sites. Akin was espousing what’s considered common knowledge among pro-life organizations. They may be wrong, I don’t know, but he’s not stupid, or crazy, or anything like that.
Here are some interesting articles on how stress can cause miscarriage if not outright lack of fertility:
If anything, Akin is guilty of being misinformed on the facts of stress-related miscarriages/lack of fertilization during the commission of a rape, but there's plenty of science to back up the claim that a woman's body can react to the stress of a rape in a way that she cannot control and that would result in no child being conceived.
Maybe, but every politician makes gaffes. No one says things totally perfectly all of the time. Akin and even all his prominent supporters admit he made a mistake with his phrasing and framing of his response. We just don't think he deserves the political death penalty over it.
No. We're about to "crucify" him because he didn't cite any article and because he is so tin-eared that he didn't realize how insensitive he sounded.
A politician can respectfully promote a no-exception policy for abortion by stressing the child's right to live. Minimizing the risks of pregnancy to the raped woman is just knee-slapping dumb.
We've got enough dumb in D.C..
Kind of a silly article.
Assumes all rapes are reported, and then uses not particularly logical reasoning to whittle down the numbers more.
OTOH, the 30,000 number for annual rape pregnancies commonly reported is also likely to be seriously flawed.
For it to be accurate, a women must be twice as likely to get pregnant from rape as from an act of consensual intercourse. This seems unlikely. It also requires that 8x as many rapes occur as are reported, which also seems high. Which means these numbers are probably cooked to some extent.
It is almost certain the real number is somewhere between 225 (or 370) and 30,000. We’ll probably never have solid numbers on such a politically charged issue.
1. The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy.
2. A miscarriage.
Dumb is as dumb does, and Akin's voting record is very nice from what I've seen. If you're going to throw out every politician for a smarter replacement, they'd all be gone. This firestorm is not happening because of Akin's intellect or lack thereof. If that was true, we'd have a much longer list of people to reject. Bottom line, the smartest people don't go into politics because they can make more money elsewhere. We have to fight with the army we've got. And if their voting record is good, that's good enough for me.
Apparently you would prefer to go with the dictionary definition and don’t feel there is a distinction between a miscarriage and an abortion.
To me, there’s a HUGE distinction and I would never equate them as being the same. An accidental miscarriage versus the deliberate ending of a human life are quite different in my book. Which, btw, isn’t Merriam-Webster.
But now another emotionally charged issue can be stirred up. Why not heap more guilt onto women who have had miscarriages....
You are absolutely correct. Why are we even discussing this??? Its absurd. Anyone who believes this can be spun to our favor is delusional.
I have an idea. Why don’t we post articles that prove that most women who are raped were “really asking for it”. Yeah, THAT will show ‘em!!!
Just pointing out a fact. A word means what it means, not what you (or I) think it ought to mean.
The meaning of abortion as miscarrioage is actually the original meaning, going back to 1500s.
The present primary meaning is quite recent.
You obviously didn’t read the whole article - the doctor (notice, this is written by an MD) comes to the conclusion that pregnancy occurs fewer than 500 times per year - and all the calculus is spelled out. He cites clinical studies that put the number at 200.
I’ve read your responses on other threads - if you have some evidentiary basis for you disagreement, please present it.
I have never fathered a child and I have never raped (by any definition) anybody. My only first-hand knowledge comes from my experience in breeding livestock. I know that different forms of stress on the female can severely impact the likelyhood of conception. I do not know if the same is true in humans - but it seems plausable, and this article claims that the effects I have observed in livestock can also be seen in humans.
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Focus people. The proper question is:
Is the best treatment for a rape the murder of a baby?
Want to know the real reason why rape pregnancy is rare?
Because many women use birth control. And those that don’t get treated with post coital contraception. That’s why.
We will hear about this for months, nd it is NOT the fault of people like Hannity. It is the idiot kin for even getting into something like this, and the Democrat media. The Dems are going to brush Romney and Ryan (but mostly Ryan) with this. It is bad. McCaskill will beat Akin in a landslide.
Even if rare, I would still allow women who have been raped to abort. Of course if I had my way, the rapists would be castrated, emasculated, and executed too.
No - the poster did not say that miscarriage is the same as abortion. Stop with that kind of disingenuous argument. It is just dishonest.
What the poster said was the woman makes the decision (like she makes the decision to abort). The implied statement is that her body responds to her abhorrance and the distress of the rape. This was all very clear in what was posted. You dihonestly twisted it to your own ends.
Please argue honestly or not at all.
Akin may be really dumb, I don’t know I am not an expert on the subject matter of this controversy. But he sure is NOT acting like a Republican. Any self respecting Republican would have apologized profusely whether he did anything wrong or not, and caved in, backed down and turned tail and QUIT by now. Akin is not acting like your typical gutless spineless courageless Republican, he is acting more like a Democrat in this regard.
Even if rare, I would still allow women who have been raped to abort.
Would you have me puncture her skull and suck her brains out with a wet vac? Perhaps since it’s “too late” she’s safe.
>>I would still allow women who have been raped to abort. <<
My sister was raped. She would not allow a woman who had been raped to abort.
Two wrongs don’t make a right and like it or not, the baby IS half hers.
You posted: Akin is now on the record as saying he was medically wrong to say that the “female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”
Let me get this straight - when he makes a statement you don’t agree with, he is ignorant and stupid (I don’t know that you have ever posted that he is such - but your tone clearly implies it). But when he says something you agree with, he becomes an authority on the SAME subject. Hmmmmm, interesting.
I would posit that Akin’s opinion, either pro or con, on this subject are of very little illustrative value. and should not be used to debate the merits of the current topic - which is: “Does the human body respond to forcible rape in a way that would decrease the probability of pregnancy?”
The author does not assume that all rapes are reported - he specifically mentions the under-reporting of rape.
Where does his “whittling down” become illogical? I thought his math was sound - and logic is math.
We’ve all complained about Republicans being spineless then one shows some backbone and everyone wants him out!
Make up your GD mind people!
Two wrongs dont make a right and like it or not, the baby IS half hers.
The baby is also full the property of God, and made in His image.
Actually, so I’m not accused of twisting words, he wrote:
In this case, just like abortion, the woman makes the decision.
Then I asked, “So you would maintain that a miscarriage = abortion?”
Followed by, “Seriously?”
So I am asking the poster if he is equating a miscarriage with abortion. When someone says that someone makes the decision to do something, that implies a conscious or deliberate process.
Not twisting, not disingenuous, not dishonest.
AMEN! And I am not defending the guy’s intellect here or his ability handle a hostile press question, but he pretty much votes the way I want him to, on everything.
You state the point nicely. The circumstances of conception do not determine the worth of the life - PERIOD.
This whole debate rages because we are too reluctant to face the fact that life is often ugly and hurtful - but this does not justify killing the innocent (which, ironically, only serves to make the world more ugly and hurtful).
You're right -- that is a lot.
But where does that 32,000 number come from??? It turns out that those are "self-reported" squishy numbers not hard numbers from police/hospital/medical reports.
Odds are most of that 32,000 came from abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood justifying their federal funding for Medicaid abortions. But since underage girls are the bread and butter of abortion clinics, odds are that those are mostly statutory rape pregnancies that should have been reported to the police as such but aren't.
If not, ask the doctors, and women what happened 9 months and less after the Russians.
“Would you have me puncture her skull and suck her brains out with a wet vac? “
Only if she was inconvenient or you really, really didn’t want to keep her.
Only if she was inconvenient or you really, really didnt want to keep her.
Alternately, you could always round up the adult children of rape victims and rip them into pieces. I hear that is a popular “procedure.”
Amazing how things look when you put them in perspective...
Really? Where? If you're going to make such a strident claim (and in all caps, even), then please post some links.
You know, I keep hearing the word "DEBUNKED" applied to Romney ads that point out that Obama is weakening the work requirement for welfare.
Just because almost every media source is screaming "DEBUNKED" about Romney's welfare claims, does that mean I should believe they've really been "DEBUNKED"?
“The circumstances of conception do not determine the worth of the life - PERIOD.”
Exactly!!! So why are the “merits of the current topic - which is: Does the human body respond to forcible rape in a way that would decrease the probability of pregnancy?” being debated? It’s not relevant.
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