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Marine Patriot Detained for Facebook Political Posts (NDAA, Anyone?)
scottfactor.com ^ | 08/23/2012 | Gina Miller

Posted on 08/23/2012 5:00:58 AM PDT by scottfactor

When the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) was passed by Congress last year, people of all political persuasions were rightly alarmed, because one of its provisions clearly gave the federal government and military the power to indefinitely detain, without charges, any American citizen deemed to be a “terrorist” or someone who pals around with terrorists.

This past May, Federal Judge Katherine B. Forrest blocked that provision, as reported on June 7th at RT.com,

Last month Judge Forrest ruled in favor of a group of journalists and activists [who] filed a suit challenging the constitutionality of Section 1021 of the NDAA, a defense spending bill signed into law by President Obama on New Year’s Eve. Specifically, Judge Forrest said in her injunction that the legislation contained elements that had a "chilling impact on First Amendment rights” and ruled that no, the government cannot imprison Americans over suspected ties with terrorists.

“In the face of what could be indeterminate military detention, due process requires more,” said the judge.

Last New Year’s Eve, as he signed the NDAA into law, Barack Obama (or whatever his name is) claimed in a signing statement that the indefinite detention provision would not be used against American citizens, yet the Obama administration nevertheless objected to Judge Forrest’s ruling and asked that she clarify it, so she did, saying in part,

“Put more bluntly, the May 16 order enjoined enforcement of Section 1021(b)(2) against anyone until further action by this, or a higher, court — or by Congress. This order should eliminate any doubt as to the May 16 order’s scope.”

Judge Forrest does include in her ruling, however, that Americans can be indefinitely detained, but only providing that the government can link suspects directly to the September 11 terrorist attacks.

As we know, Obama and his administration minions do not like to be crossed, so here we are just a couple of months later, and we have Obama’s Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) involved in an example of this type of detention of a United States war veteran Marine. And it’s a sickening outrage.

Last Thursday, the FBI and local Chesterfield County, Virginia police detained a young, former Marine war veteran, Brandon Raub, for political opinion statements he made on his Facebook page. John Whitehead and his Rutherford Institute are representing Brandon. As reported at the Rutherford Institute website,

The Rutherford Institute has come to the defense of a former Marine, 26-year-old Brandon Raub, who was arrested, detained indefinitely in a psych ward and forced to undergo psychological evaluations based solely on the controversial nature of lines from song lyrics, political messages and virtual card games which he posted to his private Facebook page. Although the FBI and Chesterfield County police have not charged Brandon Raub, a resident of Chesterfield County, Va., with committing any crime, they arrested Raub on Thursday, August 16, 2012, and transported him to John Randolph Medical Center, where he was held against his will due to alleged concerns that his Facebook posts were controversial and “terrorist in nature.” In a hearing held at the hospital, government officials disregarded Raub’s explanation that the Facebook posts were being interpreted out of context, sentencing him up to 30 days’ further confinement in a VA psych ward. In coming to Raub’s defense, Rutherford Institute attorneys are challenging Raub’s arrest and forcible detention, as well as the government’s overt Facebook surveillance and violation of Raub’s First Amendment rights.

“For government officials to not only arrest Brandon Raub for doing nothing more than exercising his First Amendment rights but to actually force him to undergo psychological evaluations and detain him against his will goes against every constitutional principle this country was founded upon. This should be a wake-up call to Americans that the police state is here,” said John W. Whitehead, president of The Rutherford Institute. “Brandon Raub is no different from the majority of Americans who use their private Facebook pages to post a variety of content, ranging from song lyrics and political hyperbole to trash talking their neighbors, friends and government leaders.”

Is this not the classic communist method: to declare your political opponents to be mentally ill and then confine them to mental hospitals? This is what we are facing. We are up against a vicious communist regime that has taken over our federal government and military. These people are truly enemies of America, and ultimately, they will not stand for the American people to speak out against them.

This story gets worse. After Mr. Whitehead’s initial report, the Rutherford Institute went before Special Justice Walter Douglass Stokes for the General District Court for the City of Hopewell, VA, with an emergency motion to stop Brandon Raub from being forcibly transferred to a veteran’s hospital in Salem, VA, three hours away from his home, for even further psychological evaluation.

The judge refused the motion, and now Rutherford attorneys have filed an appeal of this reprehensible detention of an innocent American citizen.

What is this? This is the federal government’s persecution of an American patriot who served our country on tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and who came home and exercised his God-given, American freedom to speak his mind. Although I have not seen the specific Facebook posts in question, I have read some of his other writings, and they show him to be a Christian who loves his country and the freedoms he fought to preserve. He loves our Constitution and our nation as founded.

Contrast Brandon Raub with the demon-possessed maniacs in the New Black Panther Party. Let’s revisit the lunatic ravings of one of the New Black Panther degenerates from an August 12th telephone conference. He declared that a New Black Panther military must be raised to go into New Jersey suburbs,

“… and drag some of these [g-d-], rusty-dusty-[a**ed] crackers outta they homes, skin they [a***s] alive, hang they [a***s] up by some damned rope in some trees, drag ‘em up and down the street by [g-d-] trucks, sic the pit bulls on them, pour acid on their [a***s], dump them in the [g-d-] river, bring ‘em back up, bust ‘em in the head with rocks!

... if you want to be free, you gonna have to get out here and kill some of these [g-d-] peckerwoods. You gonna have to kill some of these babies just born three seconds ago. You gonna have to go into the [g-d-] nursery and just throw a damn bomb in the damn nursery and kill everything white in sight.

“… We’re coming to the mountain, and I would love nothing more than to come home with a cracker’s head in my book satch.”

Now, let’s look at some of Brandon Raub’s words from a column he wrote for the Don’t Tread on Me website. Brandon’s column, which is one of several he contributed to the website, is titled, “Property, Liberty, Jesus, and Our Country,” and here is an excerpt:

The heart of God is for people to be free and prosper, and to grow in wisdom, and to be married and have children and to live life. The heart of God is for people to pour into the people around them and encourage their growth and economic liberty. I doubt our country realized what we lost in terms of what we lost in ourselves that as free men and women we didn’t put an end to slavery, and the fact it took an amendment to the constitution to end the idea that you as a man could own another man or woman’s body. It goes against human nature and the very fabric of the human heart and the way God intended for us to live. It hurts my heart that as men and women before the [King] of kings the citizens of our early republic simply didn’t release their slaves.

Could there be a more stark contrast between two citizens of the United States of America? In these two examples, we have a feral animal of a man calling for the brutal torture, murder and even bombings of fellow Americans who happen to have “white” skin, and then we have a noble, Christian patriot Marine—who fought for the freedoms that New Black Panther moron “enjoys”—speaking about freedom and the love of God. Who is Obama’s Gestapo investigating and detaining? The patriot Marine.

We are living in a seriously dangerous time in America. America is reaping the crop of godlessness in our society and leadership that we have been collectively sowing for more than 50 years. We have the government we deserve, since we allowed God to be removed from our government, our schools and the public square. What do we expect? How can we be surprised that a godless, commie enemy of America like Barack Obama has been installed in our White House?

We will have to wait and see if the Rutherford Institute can prevail against Obama’s government in this lawless detention of the young Marine, Brandon Raub. And in the meantime, it is critical that we work fervently to ensure that every one who cherishes this precious American Republic will do his part in November to vote this evil, cancerous Obama administration out of Washington and back to the fetid sewers from which it came.


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: 2012; bhofascism; bhotyranny; bloodoftyrants; communism; donttreadonme; government; govtabuse; liberalfascism; marines; marxism; ndaa; obama; rapeofliberty; rule308; terror; tyranny; waronliberty

1 posted on 08/23/2012 5:01:07 AM PDT by scottfactor
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To: scottfactor

His Facebook quotes were a bit more graphic. It was still up when I checked 2 days ago. He’s a Truther and has some goofy theories about 9/11, but I didn’t see anything that would lead to imprisoning him indefinitely.


2 posted on 08/23/2012 5:10:47 AM PDT by castowell (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: scottfactor
Remember, whatever you post is monitored.
Like a bullet - once fired - any post you make on the Internet or email you send cannot be called back once it hits its target.
It can always be traced right to you too.

See here ↓
Your IP Address
↑ This is your IP address, that leads right to your front door and to your computer.
3 posted on 08/23/2012 5:12:23 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: scottfactor

what the effing f?????????????????????????/


4 posted on 08/23/2012 5:12:35 AM PDT by Mr. K ("The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum [of good]")
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To: scottfactor
This article is very light on what Brandon Raub posted that got him flagged.

I highly doubt it was the one paragraph quoted in this article.

Without more specific information, this article is more propaganda than reportage.

5 posted on 08/23/2012 5:21:10 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: scottfactor
Of course, if all you want to do is incite the murder of white people and white babies on the streets and shout racial slurs at white people, that is perfectly fine and commendable behavior according to Eric Holder's Justice Department.

If that doesn't wake you up, perhaps this video will. It took place on the campus of Howard University and it is a supposed black 'professor' speaking. Howard University is the premier American black university.

You Won't Believe It!

6 posted on 08/23/2012 5:23:23 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: scottfactor
...one of its provisions clearly gave the federal government and military the power to indefinitely detain, without charges, any American citizen deemed to be a “terrorist” or someone who pals around with terrorists.

You mean "terrorist", like, guys who bomb the Pentagon? That kind of terrorist?

'Cuz I know where they could find one of those without getting out of the chair.

(Oh, that's right...I forgot. This only applies to "American citizens"...nemmine....)

7 posted on 08/23/2012 5:23:33 AM PDT by thulldud (Is it "alter or abolish" time yet?)
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To: castowell

This is a test case. How will Americans react to the government arresting political dissidents? If he said, “If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun,” would it be grounds for committing him? While in government custody there are surgical procedures that can be performed to correct his “disability.” He can then join the rest of the lobotomized electorate in their worship of our deal leader.


8 posted on 08/23/2012 5:54:42 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: scottfactor

“Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that’s where it’s really at”

—Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001

One of Obozo’s closest friends made that statement and planned and executed bombings and did not serve a day in jail. There is a real disconnect of justice.

Regardless of whether the X-marine was a “truther”, they have yet to charge him with any crime. Neither the FBI nor the local police “admit” arresting him. “Houston, we have a problem”.


9 posted on 08/23/2012 6:08:53 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: wideawake
This article is very light on what Brandon Raub posted that got him flagged. I highly doubt it was the one paragraph quoted in this article. Without more specific information, this article is more propaganda than reportage.

The column is not propaganda. It is a warning.

I do not have a Facebook account, so I could not see what he wrote--that's why I did not include any of his quotes from FB. The paragraph I quoted in the column is one that I plainly said was posted at another website, not FB. I used it as an example of his general thinking

Later, after I had finished the piece and submitted it to the websites that carry my columns, my editor from American Clarion sent me a screen shot to some of what Brandon Raub said that got him flagged. Here it is: Brandon Raub Facebook screen shot

While what Brandon said was unwise (and NOTHING compared to the dirt bag New Black Panthers), it still falls under the freedom of speech we enjoy in America. This is just an example of the Obama administration flexing its commie muscles on the American people, and that's not propaganda; it's the truth.

10 posted on 08/23/2012 6:41:17 AM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Bon mots

“It can always be traced right to you too.”

Generally, but not always. There are plenty of ways to post things to the internet that could never be traced back to you, but ordinarily, people don’t bother to make use of them.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 6:50:19 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: WXRGina
The column is not propaganda. It is a warning.

It is propaganda. It is intended to elicit an emotional response without providing any detailed account.

I do not have a Facebook account, so I could not see what he wrote--that's why I did not include any of his quotes from FB. The paragraph I quoted in the column is one that I plainly said was posted at another website, not FB. I used it as an example of his general thinking

So in other words, you have read almost nothing he has written, but you believe this single paragraph is representative of his "general thinking"? That isn't research.

Later, after I had finished the piece and submitted it to the websites that carry my columns, my editor from American Clarion sent me a screen shot to some of what Brandon Raub said that got him flagged.

This one screen shot - which, if authentic, is definitely an illegal threat - may have gotten him flagged, or it may have been many others that were similar or worse. We simply do not know.

While what Brandon said was unwise (and NOTHING compared to the dirt bag New Black Panthers), it still falls under the freedom of speech we enjoy in America.

First, it is playground morality to say: "they got away with it, so I should too."

Second, you do not have freedom of speech to tell other Americans "I am coming for you." That is a threat, not an opinion.

This is just an example of the Obama administration flexing its commie muscles on the American people, and that's not propaganda; it's the truth.

Actually, that's your opinion - which you have confused with "The Truth."

In point of fact, Raub was taken into custody by the state of Virginia and not the federal government, despite the fact that he was threatening federal employees.

12 posted on 08/23/2012 6:55:01 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: scottfactor

Just made another donation to the Rutherford Institute.


13 posted on 08/23/2012 7:12:43 AM PDT by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: wideawake

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is not a state entity.

Now, you can defend the Obama administration here all you like, and you can certainly label this piece as propaganda (although eliciting an emotional response is not the definition of propaganda, nor was an emotional response the goal of this piece), but I can plainly see what this administration is doing to our freedoms on a daily basis, and I will continue to speak out about it.


14 posted on 08/23/2012 7:14:37 AM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: Boogieman
“It can always be traced right to you too.”

Generally, but not always. There are plenty of ways to post things to the internet that could never be traced back to you, but ordinarily, people don’t bother to make use of them.

Yes, of course. For you or I it is quite simple to do really... just build a nice Yagi antenna, 'Wardrive' using the 'Backtrack' OS. If you really want to screw them up use chained proxies... easy enough to find...

For beginners, start with a Firefox Proxy plugin.
Then go to Proxy List to get a list of fresh proxies and you can post from Siberia. Really screw them up and use an http proxy on top of it... while wardriving... you can never get caught once you shut down the connection.

Of course, you can post from an Internet cafe... but that's how they catch quite a few wanted fish... but many get away, especially if that Internet cafe is in Russia and you never use the same one twice.

It's an awful lot of trouble to go through... just a lot easier to advise people not to shoot off any comments that can damage themselves.

Then there's TOR...

I would never thoroughly trust a canned solution - could be a back door... who knows?

15 posted on 08/23/2012 7:21:27 AM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: WXRGina
The Federal Bureau of Investigation is not a state entity.

Correct. However, they did not detain him - the Chesterfield County police did. The FBI did not evaluate him, a local hospital did.

From what we know, the FBI were contacted as a courtesy, since he threatened federal employees.

Apparently the FBI agreed with the police that his problems were more medical than criminal.

and you can certainly label this piece as propaganda (although eliciting an emotional response is not the definition of propaganda, nor was an emotional response the goal of this piece)

First, eliciting an emotional response obviously was the point of the piece. It is short on facts and details and long on comparing the federal government to the Soviet Union. That's an emotional appeal - very few people have no feelings about Communist dictatorships.

Second, propaganda is defined by Webster's as "the spreading of ideas, information or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause or a person."

This article is clearly intended to denigrate the federal government by comparing it to the Soviet Union, and is also clearly intended to valorize Raub by selectively quoting the most sympathetic things he has written and ignoring the rest.

It is not reportage. It is propaganda meant to elicit and emotional response.

I can plainly see what this administration is doing to our freedoms on a daily basis, and I will continue to speak out about it.

In point of fact, the administration had nothing to do with the detention of Brandon Raub, so if you want to criticize the administration - a worthy goal, in my opinion - then it would probably be best to focus on the things it is actually doing to injure freedom.

16 posted on 08/23/2012 7:34:59 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

You have knowledge that the local police initiated this investigation and not the FBI? This is news. When the FBI initiates an investigation, it does enlist the aid of local law enforcement. I have not seen anywhere that it was started by the local police.

I know the purpose of the piece, and it was not emotionalism.

As I said, you are certainly free to believe what you want about what you read. Thanks!


17 posted on 08/23/2012 7:52:20 AM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: WXRGina
You have knowledge that the local police initiated this investigation and not the FBI? This is news. When the FBI initiates an investigation, it does enlist the aid of local law enforcement. I have not seen anywhere that it was started by the local police.

I have not seen anywhere that it was not initiated by local police.

They are the ones who detained him and who are pursuing the matter. If this was initiated by the FBI, there is zero evidence to confirm it.

I know the purpose of the piece, and it was not emotionalism.

I wasn't born yesterday, Gina.

18 posted on 08/23/2012 8:00:01 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

This whole time it has been “government officials” (not local police) who have been arguing against Brandon Raub in these hospital hearings.

But, I get it. You did not like the piece. Fine.

I wrote it to spread the story, and that’s what happened.

Now, for an update: a circuit court judge has ordered Brandon released, because the “original petition contained no facts.” The whole detention was BOGUS (the point of my column). http://wtvr.com/2012/08/23/brandon-raub-judge-orders-release-of-detained-marine-veteran-freed/


19 posted on 08/23/2012 10:14:56 AM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: WXRGina
Well, it looks like the big, scary Soviet Union-style government of Virginia gave Raub his full rights of due process and his psych hold was overturned.

Maybe we don't live in a totalitarian dictatorship after all.

20 posted on 08/23/2012 11:04:32 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

The Soviets-in-waiting are Obama and his administation hordes.

Here’s the Rutherford report on the federal government’s empty case against Brandon Raub: https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/victory_circuit_court_orders_brandon_raub_released_dismisses_case_against_m


21 posted on 08/23/2012 2:29:53 PM PDT by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: wideawake

>> Maybe we don’t live in a totalitarian dictatorship after all. <

four letters......N D A A

maybe you are not so wideawake after all...

coffee??


22 posted on 08/27/2012 11:31:43 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Live each day as if it's your last. It might be.)
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To: scottfactor

I wish he was NOT a Tea Partier. Rather disgusting posts. No wonder he was detained.


23 posted on 09/06/2012 9:47:07 AM PDT by napscoordinator (Paul Ryan/Rick Santorum 2012....That would be the best scenario ever.)
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To: napscoordinator
I watched a post-detention interview with Brandon. He's not nearly as nuts as you are making him out to be.

Nice way to try and marginalize the issue of an out of control Federal government though...

24 posted on 09/06/2012 9:50:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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