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What Causes Riots (how to insulate yourself)
survivethecomingcollapse.com ^ | 8/22/12 | David Morris

Posted on 08/23/2012 8:42:03 AM PDT by Kartographer

What is the tipping point that will really bring this whole thing to a head?

The answer to that question is stunningly simple, and profoundly prophetic. I am sure the children born into royalty are taught this very simple principle in kindergarten. World leaders certainly understand it. And CEO’s of large multi- nationals figure it out early on in their careers.

The answer came to me one day when I stumbled across an article published by MIT’s Technology Review where researchers at the Institute of Complex Systems published their results on the question; what is the cause of riots? The study was headed up by Marco Lagi and his associates. Lagi thought the answer to the question of what was the cause of riots would be, well, complex. It turned out the cause boils down to one thing.

The price of food.

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1 posted on 08/23/2012 8:42:12 AM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

Just don’t be cutting into my ethanol to fill your belly!


2 posted on 08/23/2012 8:44:46 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Prepper PING!!


3 posted on 08/23/2012 8:44:47 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

From the beginning of time, money is THE most effective thing that will insulate you from what is disagreeable and dangerous in society.

That is why Liberals don’t want you to have any!!

YOU are easier for them to control if you exist and endure the same as everyone else.


4 posted on 08/23/2012 8:46:53 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Kartographer

The article referenced therein: http://www.technologyreview.com/view/425019/the-cause-of-riots-and-the-price-of-food/


5 posted on 08/23/2012 8:49:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: SMARTY

We might be able to solve two problems at once. Are liberals edible?


6 posted on 08/23/2012 8:53:14 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Kartographer

Origin article: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1108.2455v1.pdf


7 posted on 08/23/2012 8:53:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Kartographer

Food yes, but also race baiting and tribalism.

Hyper-inflation would likely curtail the acceptance of food stamps/EBT cards, as retailers would be getting paid pennies on the dollar, due to the delay in reimbursement.

Grocery stores would be pillaged and then they would not be restocked.

In more affluent areas, the grocery stores would be guarded, but flash-mob tactics would start to be seen.

I don’t think the leftists have the stomach for a real fight, where they have to do their own dying.


8 posted on 08/23/2012 8:54:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Kartographer

Food prices, food distribution / availability and food quality are very strong seeds of unrest. To the prepper community, I advise the ability to grow enough food and a wide enough variety for a year (consider yourself, your family), replenish the seed stock, account for crop losses, plus some additional to trade.

This requires different types of seeds, called (heirloom seeds) and requires more land than most people realize. Lots of variables go into this, but in general, it takes about 1 full acre for a family of four assuming water supply and good soil. Hydroponics in a green house can reduce the volume of land significantly and protects the crops from weather and critters.

The problem with hydroponics is that the systems need to be in place before SHTF. This also means the knowledge to grow with hydroponics has to be in place ahead of time. And the systems are costly.

So, granted not the highest priority item on a prepper’s list but it is a good idea to have a plan on how you will grow your own food. Have some heirloom seed packs and the ability to can / dehydrate / store your own food in case the unrest lasts more than a year.


9 posted on 08/23/2012 8:56:44 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Kartographer
Not that simple. Food was cheap in 1992 when the Rodney King riots broke out. The 2011 riots in London had nothing to do with food. In both cases it was police cracking down on a minority that had real or imagined grievances. The riots were not triggered by anything more than wanting to "Get Even".

An explosion of ethnic/religious tensions can cause one heck of a riot, even if food is plentiful. A better way to look at this is that a shortage of food guarantees a riot. In addition food riots tend to have a lot more staying power. The loot and burn protests in LA and London were over as soon as the cops started cracking heads. Once the authorities took the fun out of it the riots broke up. However a hungry man will continue to riot until he gets food or is killed.
10 posted on 08/23/2012 8:57:45 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Oberon

As Croc DunDee would say... They taste like shyt, but you can live off them.


11 posted on 08/23/2012 9:01:20 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: GonzoGOP

Don’t forget “NBA Championships”.


12 posted on 08/23/2012 9:02:48 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: GonzoGOP

I guarantee you that some leftist/communist politician/agitator will be standing up and shouting “you don’t got no food cuz whitey got it all!”


13 posted on 08/23/2012 9:11:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working fors)
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To: Kartographer
Riots are not caused by a "what". Riots are caused by a "who".

There are Riot Makers in this world, people who stand to gain in some political or economic way from the riot. These people are smart, and organized. They work to create dissatisfaction, they work to build the conditions under which certain people will riot, they work to organize those people for the event. The foment the riot, they direct the riot, they protect the riot from official interference, and they try to turn the aftermath of the riot to their benefit. They are rarely the people actively engaged in violence ... that's for the peons.

Many of Bam-Bam's political mentors are riot-makers. Ayers, Dohrn, Alinsky ...

14 posted on 08/23/2012 9:11:33 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Oberon

“Soylent green is people !”


15 posted on 08/23/2012 9:11:42 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: taxcontrol
Food prices, food distribution / availability and food quality are very strong seeds of unrest. To the prepper community, I advise the ability to grow enough food and a wide enough variety for a year (consider yourself, your family), replenish the seed stock, account for crop losses, plus some additional to trade.

Even if it isn't possible to grow all of your food, having a garden is still a very good idea. First it allows you to stretch your stored food supply. A small suburban garden won't feed your family year round, but it will put a meal a day onto the table in the summer.

Second it will provide variety in your diet. Beans and bread will keep you alive, but after a few weeks they get dull as heck. Tomatoes, onions, peppers and spices like cilantro, dill, thyme and oregano will go a long way towards making your long term stored foods more interesting.

Three a garden provides trade goods. Even a small garden with four or five plants can produce more tomatoes than you can eat during the growing season. Canning can keep them for later but don't overlook the opportunity to share some with your neighbors during times of plenty. It is a way to help out without letting the neighbors know about your long term storables.
16 posted on 08/23/2012 9:16:51 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: taxcontrol

The guitar player in the band I just “joined” gets ALL of his food from his property. However, sometimes he’ll buy chicken and canned food at the grocery store when it’s on sale. He bought $300 worth of chicken once because it was cheaper than raising his own. He did the same with some canned food that was cheaper than canning your own.

We just started canning from our garden. We got a poor crop this year but it was our first and we did no soil prep. We’re already getting set up for the winter crop and next spring.


17 posted on 08/23/2012 9:21:30 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Oberon
We might be able to solve two problems at once. Are liberals edible?

The Soylent Greenies are...

18 posted on 08/23/2012 9:21:49 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1312 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Oberon
We might be able to solve two problems at once. Are liberals edible?

Theoretically, although you should remember the old saying "you are what you eat". The biggest problem is that they are nearly impossible to clean, and their bitterness runs clear to the bone. I can't even get my dogs to eat one. And I've tried.

19 posted on 08/23/2012 9:21:59 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: taxcontrol

The bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it. NIV Proverbs 22:3

Take a look around flash mobs, soaring food prices, tyranny and race baiting by our own government, joblessness, cities going bankrupt a whole litany of warnings be prudent and start preparing.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

You will find articles on many of the questions that you are asking as well as many questions that haven’t occur to you as of yet. It’s written for those just starting or for those who are old hands at prepping.

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, paper goods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, screws, nails, plywood, barbed wire, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Breakdowns do occur read some of Selco writings a Bosnian who lived through their civil war or Ferfal who live through Argentina’s financial collapse. Such troubles do occur and when they do things get ugly quick. No one is claiming things will turn Mad Max or Book of Eli, but desperate people often commit desperate acts or as one of my favorite quotes goes:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)

Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


20 posted on 08/23/2012 9:23:35 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GonzoGOP; Kartographer; blam; The Duke
Our FRiend Gonzo brings up salient points, and ALMOST hits the target.

Food, or the lack thereof, can till the ground and make it fertile for civil breakdown, but there are two underlying, hand-in-glove reasons why riots happen:

ANGER AND HATE.

The LA riots of 1992 were not about food - they were about ANGER AND HATE.

The 1977 New York Blackout riots were not brought about by food, but when the power went out, the rioters vented their ANGER AND HATE.

The 2011 riots all across Britain were not started over food; the rioters were venting their ANGER AND HATE.

Should we see riots in Tampa, or across the land after the Zimmerman Trial, or as a result of the elections, rest assured the reasons will be nothing but ANGER AND HATE.

21 posted on 08/23/2012 9:24:20 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: GonzoGOP

a garden can provide vital vitamins and minerals to your diet.....it provides wonderfully tasty meals....it diverts your mind from the troubles of the day.....for these reasons alone, a garden is invaluable.


22 posted on 08/23/2012 9:26:30 AM PDT by cherry
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To: GonzoGOP

“A better way to look at this is that a shortage of food guarantees a riot. In addition food riots tend to have a lot more staying power. The loot and burn protests in LA and London were over as soon as the cops started cracking heads. Once the authorities took the fun out of it the riots broke up. However a hungry man will continue to riot until he gets food or is killed.”

This is a keen observation. If one can riot and still eat, there will be an end to the riot. If food is not to be had, the rioter won’t stop until he gets food. If you throw no water in there, the rioter will kill for certain to get it because he is in the process of dying right then.


23 posted on 08/23/2012 9:27:05 AM PDT by Marcella (Conservatism is dead. PREPARE)
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To: Kartographer

What causes riots?

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to name a couple.


24 posted on 08/23/2012 9:29:58 AM PDT by Tupelo (Sarah Palin.............my write in vote for 2012)
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To: MrB
I guarantee you that some leftist/communist politician/agitator will be standing up and shouting “you don’t got no food cuz whitey got it all!”

He/she had best do it before the shooting starts. Otherwise he/she ain't nothing but a target.

25 posted on 08/23/2012 9:34:45 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit; Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.)
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To: EGPWS
I can't remember who said it nor the exact wording but the saying goes something like this; Civilization is just 9 meals away from collapse.
26 posted on 08/23/2012 9:37:56 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Oberon
Are liberals edible?

If cooked properly.

27 posted on 08/23/2012 9:52:05 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: Oberon
Are liberals edible?

A really tough question! Think long and hard before answering.

28 posted on 08/23/2012 9:58:01 AM PDT by immadashell
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To: randog

Better use is as hog and chicken feed. ;-)


29 posted on 08/23/2012 9:58:18 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Good article! I'd say the reasons folks riot is because of the lack of knowing (the same and "true") God. A nation filled with Christians most likely would not riot. So that being said, everyone should get down on their hands and knees ... and ... build a garden! Best way to get to know Jesus (it's His turf), your neighbors, fill your belly, and sleep better at night too.

Depicted is our first year's organic go at it. It is small, but it is Mighty.
30 posted on 08/23/2012 10:09:00 AM PDT by mlizzy (And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell others not to kill? --MT)
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To: Oberon
Are liberals edible?

They are probably as safe to eat as urine is to drink.

That being said I would never want to put either in my mouth.

But if the choice were forced I'd take urine over liberal any day.

31 posted on 08/23/2012 10:20:04 AM PDT by NationalistVisionary (Who will be America's Charles Martel?)
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To: cuban leaf

Once you have the canning supplies, you can’t beat canning for savings if you grow your own.

I’ve been doing tomato sauce for years out of the sauce tomatoes I grow. I use Heinz variety which I get through Territorial seed company and they have ALWAYS performed excellently. I always get a good crop and they are supposed to be open pollinated, which means being able to save them, which I am going to try this year and see how they do.

This was not a great year for gardens because of the drought.


32 posted on 08/23/2012 10:27:26 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

We watered through the drought but it still didn’t matter. I probably under-watered.

Our watermelons are about 5” but apparently they are not done.

Tomatoes mostly rotted. I’m big on cherry tomatoes and this is the first year I ever tried large ones. What a dismal failure.


33 posted on 08/23/2012 10:32:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

I tried watermelons and they didn’t work either. Not worth the garden space, IMO.

We did an heirloom tomato which all split on the vine. This year some of them came up on their own and I have hardly watered and they’re all doing fine. None are splitting. I’ve never heard of overwatering tomatoes, but who knows? Maybe it’s just the variety.

I grow stuff that’s cost effective. Potatoes, onions, and carrots are too cheap in the stores and take up too much garden space for what you get.

I do beans, peas, scallions, lettuce, tomatoes, peppers, and zucchini. I also have rhubarb, blueberries, currants, and raspberries. They are fairly new so not producing a lot yet.


34 posted on 08/23/2012 10:44:23 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Potatoes and onions are two of my favorite foods and you are right. They are too cheap at the supermarket to grow yourself. We did anyway and it was absolutely not worth it.

BTW, we get TONS of wild garlic here. One of the fields near Springfield was so dense that when I drove by last spring I honestly thought it was an onion field. Apparently it’s a problem regarding dairy cows. It ruins the flavor of the milk.


35 posted on 08/23/2012 10:49:56 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Kartographer

Funny you should post that photo. I think of it all the time and a couple of years ago I found the clip on YouTube. It wasn’t nearly as cool as I remembered! But the line, “THere’s a storm coming. Yes, I know.” is still good, and timeless.


36 posted on 08/23/2012 10:52:40 AM PDT by ChocChipCookie
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To: cuban leaf

Could use it to make garlic-butter.


37 posted on 08/23/2012 10:54:04 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ChocChipCookie

There’s A Storm Coming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ykqtgGjWXY


38 posted on 08/23/2012 10:58:04 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ChocChipCookie

I like that one, but this is what I see as very relevant.

Quark tells his nephew something about humans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D2SHNqkjbY


39 posted on 08/23/2012 11:01:17 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kenton

The hogs aren’t so choosy.


40 posted on 08/23/2012 11:16:22 AM PDT by pingman ("Human history seems logical in afterthought, but a mystery in forethought." (Strauss & Howe))
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To: cuban leaf

I also grow my own garlic.

It’s better than the stuff from China with God knows what in it.


41 posted on 08/23/2012 11:18:24 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Oberon

“Are liberals edible?”

Tastes like Chicken.


42 posted on 08/23/2012 11:35:51 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: metmom

I haven’t had a good harvest of anything the past two summers because of the heat. I water but temperatures over 100 just do the plants in. I’m going to till under most of the garden this evening to start the fall garden but it’s really too late in the season but we were busy with other home repairs to get to it any earlier.

There’s a falacy in having stored shtf seed packets. One, people don’t realize there’s an art to gardening so they can’t just put a seed in the ground and expect it to provide for their family. Those people will be sorely shocked when reality hits. Two, it takes several seasons to learn what grows well in your particular climate and your particular soil and what your family will eat. Some of those mass packages aren’t going to work everywhere and by the time people figure it out, they will have wasted time, energy and the health of their families. Three is storage skills. If they don’t know how to preserve foods and then they’ll ruin foods or compromise the health of someone or worse.


43 posted on 08/23/2012 1:23:50 PM PDT by bgill
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To: GonzoGOP
You have some very good points. Also if you have a garden and share some of the produce with your neighbors you have given them good reason to want to protect you.

Manage to find some land for a community garden and get them start working so the area will have more food next year and you have the start of something very worth while.

There was a book I read about this a number (never mind how many!) called IIRC "A Gift of Seeds".

44 posted on 08/23/2012 1:24:37 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
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To: bgill

The time to learn to garden is not WHEN the SHTF.

It’s well before.

And honestly, I love to garden and have been doing it for years and am grateful that we don’t have to depend on it for survival.

Yet....


45 posted on 08/23/2012 1:39:21 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Kartographer
The next spasm of riots in this country won't be like the 1960's. In the cities, it will be more like Rwanda ca. 1994.

Don't be a Tutsi.

Capiche?

46 posted on 08/23/2012 2:21:38 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: Old Sarge

I don’t think starvation causes riots. Or at least they don’t last for long. The population is subdued pretty quickly.

This is why famine has always been a tool of, or exploited by, dictatorships. Mao understood that, Uncle Joe understood it, the British in 1850 understood it.


47 posted on 08/23/2012 2:33:07 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: metmom
The time to learn to garden is not WHEN the SHTF. It’s well before.

I completely agree. The time to start living in what you plan for a post-SHTF world is (for many of us) now. I have enough food, and extra, for my large family stored. Every single thing in storage is something we normally cook and eat, and it will all rotate into the weekly menu before expiration. We are not going to transition in an emergency from a typical American eating style to stored wheat berries and dried beans that we have never before cooked or eaten!

The gardening we plan for post-SHTF is already being done, and it is tasty and grows well here - after a few failures and the ongoing yet consistently unsuccessful attempts to get a decent watermelon. I don't think we would actually need all our stored food to get by; we'd simply eat it or eventually trade it out of concern that it would expire for real and not just go out of date.

48 posted on 08/23/2012 3:22:36 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer
What Causes Riots

The price of food.

HUH???? And here, after all these years I thought the 1968 Detroit riot started with the raiding of a blind pig..........

Well spank me and call me stupid and tell my now deceased dad that he didn't need to buy that M-1 carbine after all........

49 posted on 08/23/2012 3:30:44 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: SampleMan
In more affluent areas, the grocery stores would be guarded, but flash-mob tactics would start to be seen.

The way a flash mob works is that the mob members individually converge to points near the target, and then all arrive at the target at the same time. After people get sufficiently tired of it, anybody arriving in a middle-class neighborhood who looks "inner city" will just be beaten or killed on sight.

50 posted on 08/23/2012 3:31:23 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (A deep-fried storm is coming, Mr Obama.)
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