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401k Withdrawal Petition Template (Worth reading for the indictment of the financial system alone) ^ | 08/23/2012 | Ann Barnhardt

Posted on 08/24/2012 5:59:15 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

401k Withdrawal Petition Template
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - August 23, AD 2012 7:22 PM MST

This was drafted and sent in by a reader, and I think it is a great template for anyone who wants to petition their employer to let them out of their 401k. I would recommend sending it via certified mail - let them know you're dead serious, and try to get as many of your co-workers to do the same as you possibly can.



Dear Plan Sponsor,

I’m writing to petition that the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] be amended to allow in-service withdrawals. As the plan stands now, the only way for actively employed participants to retrieve money is through a 401K loan or a Hardship Withdrawal. Neither of these two options allow participants full access to their assets. While I understand the purpose of the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] is to encourage savings for retirement, I fear that my assets are not entirely safe from fraud and theft and will not be available to me at retirement.

Numerous recent examples indicate the financial markets are rife with fraud, often at the peril of the individual investor. From what I gather of recent events I do not feel that my money is safe and currently have no recourse to move my assets from the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] to other investment vehicles.

Examples of recent fraud and theft in the financial industry:

MF Global

MF Global was a global commodities brokerage that declared bankruptcy in October of 2011. It was discovered that approximately $1.6 Billion in customer segregated funds were stolen and used to meet capital requirements in the weeks leading up to bankruptcy. To date, no one stands to face criminal charges.

Peregrine Financial Group (PFGBest)

In July of 2012 it was discovered that PFGBest stole approximately $220 million of customer funds. While claiming to have over $200 million in bank accounts, it turned out that PFGBest held only close to $5 million. The fraud appears to have spanned multiple decades despite being regularly audited. The PFGBest government-backed auditors were not independently verifying the bank account balances and were instead using forged documentation provided not by the bank, but by the firm itself.

Sentinel Management Group (SMG)

In August of 2007, Sentinel Management filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. Investigators found that Sentinel leveraged over $500 million in customer funds as collateral for a loan from Bank of NY Mellon. This loan was used to fund in-house speculative trading. The National Futures Association (NFA) was the auditor of Sentinel, and has admitted to signing off on audits despite not fully understanding the books or the accounting method used. The NFA admits that it didn't audit SMG properly.

However, what is most frightening is the recent ruling in the Sentinel Management Group case by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. The court ruled that the Bank of NY Mellon be placed first in line ahead of customers seeking return of their money.

“That Sentinel failed to keep client funds properly segregated is not, on its own, sufficient to rule as a matter of law that Sentinel acted ‘with actual intent to hinder, delay, or defraud' its customers.”
U.S. Circuit Judge John D. Tinder

This ruling shows that not only does the Bank of NY Mellon move to the front of the line, but that using customer segregated funds as collateral is no longer considered a crime, and that co-mingling customer segregated funds with proprietary funds is no longer considered fraud. This ruling implies that customer assets held at a bank or trust are the legal property of any counterparty to loans the depository institution takes.

LIBOR Rate Manipulation

Late last month, Barclay's Bank admitted that it tried to manipulate the LIBOR during the financial crisis in 2008. This rate is used as a reference for a range of financial products like car loans, adjustable-rate mortgages, student loans and credit cards. During the Barclay's Bank inquiry it was discovered that many other banks may have also been manipulating LIBOR rates. This means that hundreds of millions of consumers, investors and businesses have been paying a manipulated interest rate.

Guaranteed Retirement Accounts (Nationalizing 401K Assets)

In 2010 the Employee Benefits Security Administration solicited feedback from plan administrators and other fiduciaries on the idea of whether or not they “could or should enhance, by regulation or otherwise, the retirement security of participants in employer-sponsored retirement plans and in individual retirement arrangements (IRAs) by facilitating access to, and use of, lifetime income or other arrangements designed to provide a lifetime stream of income after retirement.” This idea has also been called “Guaranteed Retirement Accounts” and been proposed by Vice President Biden and others in the current administration, with preliminary Senate hearings having been held on this plan in 2010. The core of the proposal is to force IRA and 401K plans to offer an annuity of sorts so participants are guaranteed a return on their assets in perpetuity. The preferred investment asset would likely be United States Treasury notes. As America stares down almost $16 Trillion of debt, conservatively projected to increase to $20 Trillion in 2016, forcing 401K and IRA assets into Treasury notes would be a tempting solution to shore up our nation’s dire financial situation.


As you can see, despite stringent controls that were placed on the financial industry following the collapse of Enron (Sarbanes-Oxley) and the 2008 financial crisis (Dodd-Frank), rampant fraud not only still occurs, but has increased exponentially, and the regulators charged with protecting the investor are either complicit or negligent. When there is a collapse the individual investor cannot find justice through the courts.

I do not feel that my 401K assets are safe at this point and strongly believe that in the event of a collapse of the trustee [NAME OF THE TRUST WHERE ASSETS ARE HELD] I will have no recourse to recoup my investment. At this point I do not have the ability to withdraw any of my assets held by the plan. Therefore I petition you to consider adding an in-service withdrawal option to the [LEGAL NAME OF THE PLAN] that would enable participants like me to withdraw our assets entirely.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: 401k; 401kpetition; 401kwithdraw

1 posted on 08/24/2012 5:59:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: PatriotGirl827


2 posted on 08/24/2012 6:12:33 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Lord Jesus, direct my mind, possess my heart, transform my life)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum


3 posted on 08/24/2012 6:12:48 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This is moonbat goofy.

Withdraw or don’t withdraw your 401K. The strange citation and justifications are tinfoil, flat earth quality.

4 posted on 08/24/2012 6:20:43 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: eartick


5 posted on 08/24/2012 6:23:07 PM PDT by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Drango

It’s not that clear cut. You get hammered if you withdraw early from a 401k. This would allow someone to do so without uncle sugar penalizing you for withdrawing your own money.

6 posted on 08/24/2012 6:43:55 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Drango

Lots of companies do not allow in-service distributions. I think they all should. Who’s money is it?

7 posted on 08/24/2012 6:50:02 PM PDT by crghill (Silly Mormons, God is triune.)
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To: Drango

****The strange citation and justifications are tinfoil, flat earth quality****

I have been following the financial news she cites as all of them were happening. She is correct in all of her statements.

8 posted on 08/24/2012 7:02:00 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (The beauty of liberalism is that the stupid can feel smart, the lazy can feel entitled, and the immo)
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To: Drango
Withdraw or don’t withdraw your 401K. The strange citation and justifications are tinfoil, flat earth quality.

I can't withdraw from mine. I suppose I can quit and then cash it out.

9 posted on 08/24/2012 7:06:09 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Drango
It's not crazy. Most employer sponsored plans do not allow for in-service withdrawals. ERISA rules allow for in-service withdrawals but most 401K plans are more restrictive. I work in 401K benefits administration.

Essentially your money is stuck in the plan unless you terminate employment and take a distribution. This letter is a template you can submit to the benefit plan sponsor asking them to amend the plan to allow you to access your money.

10 posted on 08/24/2012 7:38:16 PM PDT by jstaples2
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To: jurroppi1


11 posted on 08/24/2012 9:55:45 PM PDT by jurroppi1
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