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Tampa GOP Elitist Coup to Change Rules - Banish Grassroots?
Maggie's Notebook ^ | 8-27-12 | Maggie@MaggiesNotebook

Posted on 08/27/2012 7:57:40 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook

I don't have a lot of background on this depressing story, but will lead you to what I have. It seems the GOP is attempting to change the rules of how delegates work within the party, which includes allowing the presumptive presidential nominee to replace delegates elected by the states.  Three points are laid out:

1) Delegates will be bound to vote in proportion to the popular vote regardless of any other considerations.

2) The presumed nominee or his agents will be able to remove or replace delegates from state conventions at will.

3) The members of the RNC may, at any time between conventions change any of the party rules by a 3/4 vote.

The three points come from an open letter written by David Nalle, a Libertarian. I have little background on him. I do not know if this has anything to do with Ron Paul delegates. Here's more from Nalle.

Now there are those in Tampa who seek to overturn this traditional structure of the party, set restrictions on the free choice of party members and introduce a new and alien process which would minimize the input of the party’s rank and file and put power in the hands of party leaders and wealthy special interests who can buy the loyalty of the mob.

They have borrowed the organizing structure of the Democrats and authored rules which would cause our delegates to be bound by the votes of primary voters who may not be Republicans or share our values.

They have also proposed that the presumed presidential nominee could remove our elected delegates at whim.

Finally they want to remove control over the rule making process from the state parties to a small elite within the national committee of the party who can change the rules under which the party operates at any time.  Without fixed rules arrived at by the consent of the rank and file of the party we become pawns rather than participants in the political process.

These proposals which have come out of the Rules Committee in Tampa are contrary to the basic character of the party and they are opposed by many delegates who were not part of the handpicked group of insiders which dominated the committee.  Delegates from many states are speaking out in opposition and members of the committee who believe in a bottom-up party structure have issued a minority report to challenge what amounts to a powergrab by elite insiders and the Romney campaign.

Arlen Williams, GulagBound via PJ Tattler:

Social media is atwitter with protest from Republican delegates and grassroots activists as the Republican National Convention stands poised to vote on proposed rule changes which will fundamentally transform the process for nominating future presidential candidates. In an open letter to delegates in Tampa, Republican Liberty Caucus national chairman Dave Nalle summarizes what is at stake and urges opposition from the floor of the convention next week.

The text of the proposed rule changes is attached to Nalle’s letter. The RNC rules committee approved the changes last week. But the rules will not go into affect unless approved by the convention this week. If passed, these rules will make it significantly more difficult for minority delegations to effectively participate in the convention process.

I loathe having to criticize anything happening in Tampa right now. What Ron Paul does or does not do, and what his supporters at the RNC do or do not do is concerning, but this may be more than controlling Paul supporters. The Tattler makes this additional statement:

It is worth pondering why the architects of these rule changes feel it necessary to shut out new blood. This “coup” as Nalle calls it is no doubt in response to the limited success of the Ron Paul organization in a handful of caucus states. Yet, Paul was unable to secure the plurality of delegates in fives states necessary to secure a speaking appearance at the national convention. His campaign never posed a credible threat to presumptive nominee Mitt Romney. So why act to silence such a slim minority within the party? Why not embrace their contribution and grow the party? Making the process more esoteric and inaccessible will only insulate future campaigns from the grassroots activists they need to recruit and motivate in order to succeed.

Nalle says the Texas delegation is beginning oppose the changes. Sarah Palin says if the Party Platform isn't honored, a third party will be on the rise. As to a third party, I'm ready for it after Romney-Ryan exits in January 2021. We need to be working on it immediately. Have you heard about these rule change attempts, and what do you think about it? Is all hell getting ready to break loose in Tampa?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; History; Politics
KEYWORDS: grassroots; mittromney; rncdelegates; tamparnc

1 posted on 08/27/2012 7:57:53 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
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To: maggiesnotebook

Saint Mitt is just trying to protect us from the dragon Ron Paul.


2 posted on 08/27/2012 8:03:53 PM PDT by DManA
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To: maggiesnotebook

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2923557/posts


3 posted on 08/27/2012 8:04:30 PM PDT by Perdogg (Mutts for Mitt all agree - Better in the crate than on the plate)
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To: maggiesnotebook

Go for it! If they enact those rules, the GOP IS FINISHED!!!

We will not be dictated to by a bunch of e-RINO elites sipping martinis and scotch in Georgetown.

This is the dumbest idea I have seen this political season (from Republicans) and is almost Soviet in its disdain for the people who make up the Conservative and Libertarian wings.


4 posted on 08/27/2012 8:09:31 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: maggiesnotebook

From 1964 GOP warned to beware of extremists (George Romney)

At upper left.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=897&dat=19640707&id=Py9PAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DU4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5063,2157718


5 posted on 08/27/2012 8:10:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: All

See Post #3. The fight has been averted for now—there appears to have been a compromise.


6 posted on 08/27/2012 8:15:11 PM PDT by madison10
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To: DManA

Wake up. Down page on forum is an open letter from a delegate with the nuts and bolts details that grassroots opinion, T Party opinion, gun rights advocates, and pro lifers are booted at the whim of a primary candidate with the most votes, whether it’s 20 votes or 200 votes.


7 posted on 08/27/2012 8:19:00 PM PDT by RitaOK
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To: Ronin

Go for it! If they enact those rules, the GOP IS FINISHED!!!


GOP is already finished & the gop and romney are to thank for it. I know that no one has been polling prolife, profamily, social conservatives. They are misleading republicans because so many Pro-life, Conservative, Christians who say no gay privileges,...are not voting for him. When are they going to poll them?


8 posted on 08/27/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: maggiesnotebook

I see these blog posts day after day, what’s up with that?


9 posted on 08/27/2012 8:23:32 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: maggiesnotebook

The rules change has been squashed!

I received a message on FB from one of our lead Texas delegates that the rule has been taken down.

There was a massive grassroots delegate firestorm brewing and the GOP elite backed down.

Also, Michelle Malkin has an update on the status of this on her website.


10 posted on 08/27/2012 8:24:26 PM PDT by Texas56
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To: maggiesnotebook

” - - - the GOP is attempting to change the rules - - -”

On another FR thread, they said a compromise had been reached.

Your quote states that the attempt is still being made.

Which is it?


11 posted on 08/27/2012 8:26:40 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: RitaOK

Tough. You get to be a delegate you get power. There’s something wrong with that?


12 posted on 08/27/2012 8:27:11 PM PDT by DManA
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To: maggiesnotebook

Welcome to the “Overton Window”.


13 posted on 08/27/2012 8:28:11 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Bocephus hits a home run! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_vjPqAVzI)
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To: maggiesnotebook

The grassroots opposition has worked and the insiders back down to a more reasonable proposal - to simple require delegates to live up to their commitments to support a committed candidate. See:

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/08/27/floor-fight-grass-roots-activists-battle-attempt-to-rig-gop-convention-delegate-rules/


14 posted on 08/27/2012 8:31:05 PM PDT by WOSG (REPEAL AND REPLACE OBAMA. He stole America’s promise!)
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To: Perdogg

Perdogg, thanks. We’ll see what happens with Nos. 1 and 3. If they are resolved, it wasn’t clear to me.


15 posted on 08/27/2012 8:32:10 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
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To: RitaOK

Now mind you the way delegates for the national convention are selected is absolutely foul. The process stinks and it make the whole convention illegitimate in my opinion.


16 posted on 08/27/2012 8:33:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Graewoulf

Graewoulf, the nominee will not be able to change delegates at will. I don’t know about the other two issues. It’s changing by the minute.


17 posted on 08/27/2012 8:34:25 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
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To: DManA

Can you believe these idiots sacrificed a night on Television, which they so desperately needed, because it might rain? you cant make that up!! What a bunch of oscar myer weenies!!. Now, I am going to vote for Paul Ryan , I have made up my mind. But Romney wants to kill the baby if mommy is “raped”. What is rape? Is it love at night and “rape” in the morning?I say “rape is this— If mommy does testify at the trial— then it’s “rape” romney does’nt follow OUR PLATFORM!! UCMTU. Romney is very close to the edge of oblivion like “read my lips” and Mc Amnesty. I assure you, he better sing our tune in his speech or it’s “BYE BYE”


18 posted on 08/27/2012 8:37:06 PM PDT by marygonzo
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To: maggiesnotebook

About my No 3 which is the RNC No. 12 - the power to change RNC rules between conventions with no input from grassroots delegates still stands and no compromise has been reached on it.

See the Malkin link somewhere here on this board, and scroll way down her article.


19 posted on 08/27/2012 8:42:39 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
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To: maggiesnotebook

Thanks.

Perdogg’s thread tonight is “Republicans reach rule change deal to avert floor fight.”

Hotlink to article also.


20 posted on 08/27/2012 8:43:18 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: maggiesnotebook

happened to Reagan in 1976


21 posted on 08/27/2012 8:43:26 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: maggiesnotebook

Sooooooooooooooo, Romney is going to destroy the Republican Party in order to save it?

This won’t sit well with folks that liked a Constitutional Republic.

Looks like a floor fight well worth having.

If the Elites won’t allow a floor fight, then we will verbally fight them at their stump speeches, that is, if they want to represent us.

Hmmmmmmmm, one good knock down floor fight, or many, many stump speech verbal fights?

Your choice, Romney.

Tick-Tock.


22 posted on 08/27/2012 9:17:25 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

Sarah’s FB is on it now. She’s directing people to Michelle’s column.


23 posted on 08/27/2012 9:53:09 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: maggiesnotebook
1) Delegates will be bound to vote in proportion to the popular vote regardless of any other considerations.

If Sarah Palin or Jim DeMint were the nominee wouldn't this be a good thing to ensure the system isn't gamed against them?

2) The presumed nominee or his agents will be able to remove or replace delegates from state conventions at will.

If they were bound delegates wouldn't I want to make sure they were actually loyal to me?

3) The members of the RNC may, at any time between conventions change any of the party rules by a 3/4 vote.

Between conventions? No way, simple as that.

24 posted on 08/27/2012 10:00:01 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: Ronin

Thanks!


25 posted on 08/27/2012 10:10:05 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Texas56

NO NO NO.....15/16 is just a “compromise” but RULE 12 MUST STILL BE DEFEATED!!!!


26 posted on 08/28/2012 4:41:47 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: Free Vulcan

3) The members of the RNC may, at any time between conventions change any of the party rules by a 3/4 vote.

NO WAY JOSE!!!! 3/4 vote? Pulueeeeeze. If the RNC chairman wants a rule change, the board will rubber stamp it.


27 posted on 08/28/2012 4:44:05 AM PDT by Kolath
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To: maggiesnotebook

ping


28 posted on 08/28/2012 5:14:14 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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