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When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | September 4, 2012 | Matt Bracken

Posted on 09/04/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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1 posted on 09/04/2012 5:37:11 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..

CW2 Ping


2 posted on 09/04/2012 5:41:48 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Bump for later read...


3 posted on 09/04/2012 5:43:10 AM PDT by bcsco (Bourbon gets better with age...I age better with Bourbon.)
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To: Travis McGee

So glad I don’t live near a large city. We should capture and ship gang members to Guantanamo Bay.


4 posted on 09/04/2012 5:49:19 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Romney/Ryan 2012 The Future of Our Children and Their Children are at stake.)
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To: Travis McGee

Bump later


5 posted on 09/04/2012 5:49:57 AM PDT by AdamBomb
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To: Travis McGee

Be weary of the good boys.


6 posted on 09/04/2012 5:50:07 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: 2nd amendment mama

ping!


7 posted on 09/04/2012 5:50:11 AM PDT by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Travis McGee

Is this our preview of things to come if Obama loses?


8 posted on 09/04/2012 5:51:03 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Travis McGee

Ping


9 posted on 09/04/2012 5:51:48 AM PDT by Man from Oz
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To: Travis McGee

Food for thought.


10 posted on 09/04/2012 5:52:14 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Biden: "HOPE and CHAINS for all 57 states".)
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To: Travis McGee
You never know when your training will come in handy.

Thanks for another handy hint about the future, Matt!


Note: Pic is from ehow.com, "how to estimate range, using scope"...!

11 posted on 09/04/2012 5:54:39 AM PDT by WVKayaker (I'm more than happy to be Obama's "enemy of the week" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Travis McGee

One thing I would recommend adding is the show of strength tactic the Korean store owners used during the LA riots.


12 posted on 09/04/2012 5:54:53 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative. REJECT THEN STOP SOCIALISM THIS NOV!)
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To: Kartographer; Travis McGee

Kart, you need to see this.


13 posted on 09/04/2012 5:56:18 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and bo stinks)
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To: bcsco; OKSooner

Yeah... bump for later read.


14 posted on 09/04/2012 5:57:14 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: Travis McGee
As expected, great analysis. I would only suggest that about the same time the EBT cards go dark, so will the government subsidized cell phones. This will impede the early flash mobs, but it won't stop them. Similarly, I would think that, a la Somalia, there will be gangs who will attempt to sieze and control the food supply adding another dynamic.
15 posted on 09/04/2012 5:58:48 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: bcsco

Later....


16 posted on 09/04/2012 6:00:42 AM PDT by 230FMJ (...from my cold, dead, fingers.)
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To: Travis McGee

I believe enough people will organize an underground bounty reward system that would reward vigilantes to travel to the areas known to harbor gangs.

law of the Wild West when the sheriff could be days away applies.

If the police are unavailable or too slow rewards will be available to ordinary people who can react faster.


17 posted on 09/04/2012 6:01:00 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Travis McGee

All of those horrible scenarios are the objective of revolutionary Progressives. (As Mr. Stalin said, in order make an omellette you have to break a few eggs.)

IMHO


18 posted on 09/04/2012 6:01:29 AM PDT by ripley
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To: Travis McGee

Frighteningly plausible. . . .


19 posted on 09/04/2012 6:01:48 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Travis McGee

Mark for later reading.


20 posted on 09/04/2012 6:02:20 AM PDT by wolf24
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To: Travis McGee

I think it will be extremely quiet.

Not enough rabblerousing going on at this time and I think everyone is just tired of the dreck coming out of DC.


21 posted on 09/04/2012 6:06:54 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: Joe 6-pack

The EBT cards will never go blank, because no money actually needs to be in the account to give them a balance. Also, it would point blame and anger at the government.

However, after a cycle or two of not being paid, or being paid pennies on the dollar, retailers will cease accepting them.


22 posted on 09/04/2012 6:09:40 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis,

Love your books, and you paint a scary picture in the article above. I have moved away from the big cities for this reason.

Query: In the event of flash mobs and riots, why wouldn’t the government simply shut down cell phone service? Easy-peasy.....no more flash mobs.


23 posted on 09/04/2012 6:09:53 AM PDT by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: Travis McGee
What if a cascading economic crisis, even a temporary one, leads to millions of EBT (electronic benefit transfer) cards flashing nothing but zeroes? Or if the government’s refusal to reimburse them causes supermarket chains to stop accepting them for payment? interesting trigger for the scenario, however in all liklihood an economic downturn would not cause EBT's to come-up zero, in fact - as we already know, economic crisis' have increased the access and government dilligence toward establishing more people using EBT's. It is when a condition out of the government's control causes not just EBT's but debit and credit cards to come-up zero. That would be an EMP. The author makes a point that the riots were usually spawned from social unrest rather than economic stress. Working in Manhatten during 9/11 and the second black-out, there was little chaos present in a potential powder keg situation. I don't see the liklihood of any governemnt abruptly killing the EBT or other welfare transfer program in such a manner based on economic crisis. They'll just print more money to accomodate the additional welfare recipients. I would suggest to monitor France with it's 75% tax rate, millionaire's and investment taxes and a pledge by the French socialists not to reduce spending. It is when the last of the wealthy businesses and individuals slip away in the middle of the night that the riots will begin.
24 posted on 09/04/2012 6:09:54 AM PDT by hkusp40
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To: Travis McGee

—bflr—


25 posted on 09/04/2012 6:11:46 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Travis McGee

“May” explode? I will be shocked if they don’t. Especially if Zero loses...


26 posted on 09/04/2012 6:11:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Travis McGee

bttt


27 posted on 09/04/2012 6:11:58 AM PDT by deweyfrank
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To: Travis McGee

I would also like to add that many states are now stockpiling emergency food supplies, and there is obviously many that can view food as a more important issue before guns, so these flash mobs will center attacks upon places that will be storing food, especially food stocks that are more portable, shipping hijacking will be more common.

Even bulk food containers may be hijacked, or held for ransom.

First rule of preparedness, keep the circle of informed small, if neccessary create an image of being in need, try to not stand out as having stocked resources.

I actually plan on saving most food containers and refilling them with material to duplicate weight and feel, especially boxed foods. Create a fake food larder.

As far as the cameras at intersection for facial recognition all it takes is a green laser on a small compact tripod aimed and turned on either manually or by being pre-placed and operated by remote control.

Or disabling them by other means, paintballs? Tinted film on the upper windshield and upper drivers window to conceal facial recognition, the more adoptive use of wearing a hat obviously helps.


28 posted on 09/04/2012 6:12:07 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

When the welfare and EBT funds end, I’m sure we’ll see violence, flash mobs and open prostitution of the worst kind. We won’t have enough prison space to hold all the perps, so the police will have to be selective on who they will detain.

History has already provided lessons on what happens to Democracies. We know what is coming. Prepare yourself and your home.


29 posted on 09/04/2012 6:14:29 AM PDT by Loud Mime (I'll claim I speak for God only after I do acid, a few lines of coke and half a bottle of bourbon.)
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To: Travis McGee

I think it’s important to remember things don’t happen in real life like they do in the movies.


30 posted on 09/04/2012 6:15:16 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: bcsco

Ditto


31 posted on 09/04/2012 6:18:39 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

The EBT cards will never go blank, because no money actually needs to be in the account to give them a balance. Also, it would point blame and anger at the government.

However, after a cycle or two of not being paid, or being paid pennies on the dollar, retailers will cease accepting them.

Interestingly, this is almost precisely the same scenario that I have been envisioning.

Also, I know very, very few shooters/hunters that only own one rifle. This country has millions of armories.


32 posted on 09/04/2012 6:19:21 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: reasonisfaith

Hollywood movies completely ignore the influence of God. But the Spirit of God lives in us.

This is why the real world, and the way real people behave, is so different from the behavior of characters in movies about disaster and apocalypse.


33 posted on 09/04/2012 6:21:46 AM PDT by reasonisfaith (Why do you seek the living among the dead? (Luke 24:5))
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To: Travis McGee
...rapid fire, about one aimed shot per two seconds.

In case anyone thinks this is unrealistic, in 1914 a musketry instructor in the British Army — Sergeant Instructor Snoxall placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide target at 300 yards in one minute.

That's faster than one shot every two seconds, with iron sights and a bolt-action rifle.

34 posted on 09/04/2012 6:24:18 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

self-ping


35 posted on 09/04/2012 6:25:07 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: Travis McGee

Most likely, martial law will be declared and roads blockaded with checkpoints. So no one will be able to go anywere witout a pass (or a bribe). The Federal Government operating at its usual level of efficiency will really muck things up. There will be arbitrary seizure of property, etc.


36 posted on 09/04/2012 6:27:49 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: Loud Mime
We won’t have enough prison space to hold all the perps

By this point, detaining them in prison will not be the way to deal with them.

37 posted on 09/04/2012 6:30:01 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (Science puts you on the moon, atheism puts you in the gulag)
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To: AngieGal

PING


38 posted on 09/04/2012 6:30:01 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Joe 6-pack

So precisely what bureaucratic or political misfire will result in cutting off food stamps? The article is too long, too suppositional, too theoretical and too paranoid to bear any semblance to reality.
Slaves do not revolt. They demand the return of their meagre sustenance. The public dole requires subservience as the first step to receiving benefits. The Democrat party has been clear about this since slavery. They continue to act on the same set of premises: maintain poverty among enslaved classes by denying benefits to recipients who seek to be self supporting.
Inner city ghettos exist by design and intent. Government programs sustain and perpetuate poverty ridden ghettos. They are the backbone of the democrat party. As a political tool the racism perpetuated by the democrat party is profoundly successful and profoundly immoral.
There may be flash mobs but only so long as government and the media look the other way. Gang bangers are not freedom fighters. They are criminal punks who do what they can get away with. There is no sense in which ghetto riots are a rising up of an indignant people seeking the dignity of taking care of their families and communities. It they were they would have risen up when welfare started.
This essay is largely bunk, a scare tactic screed from the right based on a superficial understanding of the political realities of poverty.
The ghetto will end overnight when government stops enforcing its existence.


39 posted on 09/04/2012 6:32:53 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Travis McGee
Eventually, high concrete “Peace Walls” like those in Belfast, Northern Ireland, will be installed where the different ethnic groups live in close proximity. That is, if recovery to sane and civilized norms of behavior are ever regained in our lifetimes and we don’t slide into a new Dark Age, a stern and permanent tyranny, warlordism, anarchy, or any other dire outcome.

One thing you may not be taking into account: the urban underclass is economically unproductive. They DO NOT have the skills that would enable them to earn an income that would allow them to feed and house themselves in a free market economy. They can only survive (at what they consider a minimal economic level) by looting the middle class, either directly through crime, or indirectly through government benefits.

For the last few decades, the middle-class has been buying peace through the use of welfare. When they see that peace can no longer be bought, there is no further incentive to pay for something that is not being delivered.

So what happens when the middle class, while it is still a voting majority, decides to end the looting?

40 posted on 09/04/2012 6:36:06 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Travis McGee

A dark vision, Matt, but probably closer to a coming reality than we think.

I don’t think we’d have to have food shortages to trigger off some serious rioting. I believe our biggest cities will erupt in race riots if Obama is defeated in Nov.


41 posted on 09/04/2012 6:36:36 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk oMnly to me.)
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To: sf4dubya

Watch the outstanding documentary on the Rodney King riots linked on Youtube on the original WRSA posting. This is part 2/5, and the Koreans get plenty of coverage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRgaRtTURdY&feature=youtu.be


42 posted on 09/04/2012 6:37:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Another lesson from Somalia, besides gangs trying to hijack food relief supplies, is that even in hell-holes, they will still have cell phones. Even today, in Somalia, you can make calls and send texts. Or in Afghanistan, for that matter.


43 posted on 09/04/2012 6:39:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Welcome to the Modern Age of Darkness. As it is said: You may not be interested in war but war is interested in you...are you ready, because they are.


44 posted on 09/04/2012 6:43:57 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m so screwed.


45 posted on 09/04/2012 6:44:08 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Communist Party = Democrats. Socialist Party = Republicans. WE NEED A CAPITALIST FREEDOM PARTY!)
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To: Eye of Unk
As far as the cameras at intersection for facial recognition all it takes is a green laser on a small compact tripod aimed and turned on either manually or by being pre-placed and operated by remote control.

Facially-recognize this:

or this


46 posted on 09/04/2012 6:46:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

“martial law will be declared and roads blockaded with checkpoints. “

That would be a lot of troops. Where do those troops come from?


47 posted on 09/04/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by CodeToad (Be Prepared...They Are.)
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To: RepRivFarm

They’ll try, but cell phones, like computers, always seek out “work arounds.” For example, during riots and natural disasters, to cut down on circuit overloading, the local phone prefixes can be blocked. But if you have a phone with outside prefixes or another area code, they will still work. IOW, cell phones will still be in play. (This is a good reason to carry a cell phone with an out of state area code. It will still work during a disaster or other crisis.)


48 posted on 09/04/2012 6:48:26 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: buffaloguy
I think it will be extremely quiet.

I do too.

I think blacks are becoming embarrassed by him, and more importantly perhaps, FOR him. He has failed them, they won't say it openly, but I believe enough of them want him off the stage that it will be one big collective sigh when he's voted out.

Yes, a small minority of the normal culprits will attempt to cause problems, but I don't see a lot of "joining in" by the masses. Just my two cents.

49 posted on 09/04/2012 6:49:10 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: Lazamataz
I’m so screwed.

You are not screwed when you have lots of friends who will give you refuge.

50 posted on 09/04/2012 6:49:55 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Charlie Daniels - Payback Time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWwTJj_nosI)
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