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When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | September 4, 2012 | Matt Bracken

Posted on 09/04/2012 5:37:03 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: DuncanWaring

Re: “The Gods of the Copy Book Headings”

Love the quote, but credit the source!

Rudyard Kipling was writing 100 years ago, but most of his work sounds like it was written yesterday. (My favorite poet by a country mile.)


441 posted on 09/06/2012 8:45:40 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: LoneStarC

Sometimes I say “From Kipling”, sometimes I say “From the vantage point of 1919”, and sometimes I get lazy and leave it as an exercise to the student. ;-P


442 posted on 09/06/2012 9:09:21 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: expat2

During the collapse of Rhodesia the British defense forces were forced by the UN blockade of supplies to order their people to keep their weapons selected to single fire. The intent was to conserve ammo, but the actual result was that they not only conserved ammo - their overall success in firefights went up dramatically.

Apparently the semi-auto “limitation”forced the troops to take deliberate aim for each shot.

Reminiscent of the British general in our American Revolution era who complained to King George that the sneaky continentals “hide behind trees and take deliberate aim.”


443 posted on 09/06/2012 9:13:38 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: Louis Foxwell
I was in Balt and witnessed it first hand. First, the death of King was not comparable to ending welfare. Second, all of the rioting was in the black community. It was lawless thugs and thieves, not a principled reaction to oppression.

So you're saying that in 1968, when the "Great Society" had barely begun to work its evil, that there were alreay enough lawless thugs and thieves in the black community to carry out a riot, with full bellies.

444 posted on 09/06/2012 9:29:18 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
They have NOT offered a moral and humane alternative to the vicious abuses of the Democrats. Why have blacks voted as a bloc for Democrats? Because Republicans have not opposed Democrat efforts to prevent blacks from participating in the American Dream. ,

Utter BullCr*p. You have outed yourself as a far-left troll. How could you honestly state such pablum.

There have been many Conservative leaders who have spoken about the destructiveness of dependency.

Every time a positive change that would benefit the black communities was proposed the MSM and RAT politicians would go absolutely ballistic and charge racism.

You are a fraudulent poster who's only purpose is to hide behind your smug arrogant "better than tho" attitude and attack Republicans.

You have repeated failed to even acknowledge the stranglehold the RATs hold over the black vote.

You have yet to list even ONE step you repeated stated that you have undertaken over your years helping the black community.

Instead, every single post is a direct attack on Republicans (with your real target being Conservatives).

If you haven't noticed this site is first and foremost a Conservative site, not a Republican site. If you have any sense of reality you would easily have concluded that most on this site clearly see the RINOs and GOP-e are as much an enemy to Liberty and limited government as the RAT party.

Based on your repeated conclusions, why don't you go to your true home the DUmp and wallow on and on how Conservatives are at fault for the Welfare state.

I can't believe I actually thought you truly spent decades in the poor communities helping fight against tyranny. Looking back on what your wrote it is obvious it was all lies and wrapped around fake generalities.

I fell for your goofy story --lol. You are probably some 20 something, unemployed college student who seethes at Conservatives :) Thanks for the laughs.

445 posted on 09/06/2012 9:50:03 AM PDT by sand88
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To: papertyger; Louis Foxwell
Honestly, I'm beginning to think you are nothing but a SPLC sleeper provocateur. I find it hard to believe you could have such a command of terminology while being of such sophomoric sensibilites.

Perhaps the mods should review your history.

Read my post at 445. I heartily agree with you. This guy is a sleeper troll.

Before my posting at 445, I went back and read his postings on this thread. It is quite obvious that this guy is a troll, whose only purpose is to attack Conservatives. His posts are full of outright lies about helping the poor community, etc.

He, like most of his hard-left communist comrades on the left exist to destroy our Republic. We should all just mock and laugh at this fraud.

446 posted on 09/06/2012 10:08:22 AM PDT by sand88
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To: sand88

Time for a zot.


447 posted on 09/06/2012 10:34:12 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: sand88

You have completely perverted and misrepresented me and my position.


448 posted on 09/06/2012 10:51:12 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

I think you’ve done that yourself.

You tell us “the heart of the black community is love and support”.

You tell us the black community was destroyed by generations of “welfare”.

But you also tell us the black community was already full of thugs and thieves in Baltimore in 1968, rioting at the death of Martin Luther King, when the Great Society had barely begun.


449 posted on 09/06/2012 10:59:34 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring

Welfare started long before The Great Society. I worked in the welfare establishment beginning in 1963. It was obvious that the system at that time existed to perpetuate poverty. Were there thugs in 1960’s? When were there not?


450 posted on 09/06/2012 11:09:31 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Windcatcher
I’m going to be blunt — I don’t care what happens to the “urban” population anymore. They’ve made it clear that they don’t want help, they bite the hand that feeds them, and won’t lift a finger to help themselves or get themselves out of their predicament. Half want just to grouse, and the other half want blood revenge.

I hate to be callous but as time goes on, I'm beginning to agree with you. Heck, my 74 year old mother said the same thing as you. Yes, I think government and White Guilt started all of these handouts and in turn, really made the radicals pushing the "kill Whitey" rhetoric to much higher levels. It takes two to dance, not only we need to stop the handouts, the members of the minority communities need to realize they need to stop their radicals and radical thoughts. I know not all minorities do think like the radicals do, but when you hear cases like 90% plus voted for the Bamster and Democrats, if I was a lawyer, I'd say to them, "you're making it hard for me to prove my case."
451 posted on 09/06/2012 11:20:21 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Windcatcher

Let me add, I was born in 1966, that is the first year of “the way on poverty.” We are 6+ trillion in the hole on that one alone and it has gotten worse, not better. You think that after 46 years, they would learn, but they have not.


452 posted on 09/06/2012 11:22:39 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Louis Foxwell
None of those who have chosen to use ad homonym attacks have attempted to deal with my central thesis. The black community is not a lawless pack of animals. It is people struggling against an oppressive and manipulative government to climb out of the pit that has been designed and forced upon them by wicked politicians.

So tell us, then, how Vietnamese immigrants, moving here with literally just the shirts on their backs, moved into the same neighborhoods and sent their kids to the same schools, and have lifted themselves and their kids out of those neighborhoods and into the middle class and to college, to where they no longer need welfare?

It's not that no one is addressing your 'thesis' - it's just that most folks recognize it for the nonsense that it is.

453 posted on 09/06/2012 11:28:47 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy
I agree there are those in that population who would gladly take a job if one was available. But you are dealing with a culture that shuns those who try to get a good education. So many are largely unemployable in our modern economy.

I've had a Black co-worker who said the same thing and does not like what most in his community thinks. He told the story about where if you put say Jews, Asians, Whites, whatever into a barrel where a few are able to crawl up and make it, they will put their hands down to help pull the others up and out and/or work together to get the few up there and then in turn, they will help the rest up and out.

He said, the mentality of the Black community at large is if you out them in the same barrel and those few make it to the top and put their hands down to help the others, the others will stay and say, "hey, you're doing the White Man thing, you're making us look bad, wait until our long legged Mack Daddy shakes down Whitey first." That's the problem we face.
454 posted on 09/06/2012 11:29:56 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: ctdonath2
This one is about “EBT cards shut down overnight”, not “persuade the government to wean the able off welfare”, each topic having a very different outcome.

Well stated. This thread is being sidetracked by a wholly different issue.

455 posted on 09/06/2012 11:39:46 AM PDT by sand88
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To: mdmathis6

You think our own missile and bomber forces would nuke our own cities? Come on, man.


456 posted on 09/06/2012 11:50:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy; Travis McGee
Is this our preview of things to come if Obama loses?

It could very well come to pass whether he wins ... or loses. The urban masses do not blame Obama for their poverty. They see him as their benefactor. If he loses, they will fear the loss of their perks. If he wins, they see it as a signal to take more.

Urban riots are an old story in Europe. Among the first welfare states was the Kingdom of Naples, where every form of what we know as welfare was institutionalized. But, quartered among the citizens were light cavalry, infantry, and light artillery regiments who were called forth to sweep the streets whenever the food or wine allowance (don't laugh ..welfare bozos in France, Italy, and Argentina still get one!)got cut. The riots were bloody, but brief!

The major difference, as Bracken points out, is going to be that it would be extremely foolish for us to think that the government will automatically take the side of those who would wish to remain peaceful

457 posted on 09/06/2012 11:50:11 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Sheriff's Joe's findings: What Obama got from Hawaii, ain't what he showed us.)
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To: Gilbo_3
God fearing folks, who seek to better themselves by hard work and peseverence, will be the first to starve,

Wrong again. Those who protect themselves and support their families will outlast and overcome the few mad dogs who try to take what they have.

458 posted on 09/06/2012 12:00:54 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: Louis Foxwell

You’re the one making claims the black community is based on love and support while at the same time saying it’s got thugs and thievs who will riot while also saying that if the welfare payments end there will be no riots.


459 posted on 09/06/2012 12:01:53 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

The libtards at “Wonkette” have discovered the essay.

http://wonkette.com/483266/freepers-excited-about-prospects-of-new-civil-war-yet-again

WINGNUT THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS 3:05 pm September 5, 2012

Freepers Excited About Prospects Of New Civil War, Yet Again
by Doktor Zoom


460 posted on 09/06/2012 12:07:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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