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Gay Advocate believes Dan Cathy must 'rejoin civilization' and anger his supporters
Sep 7 2012 | SJ

Posted on 09/07/2012 4:12:31 PM PDT by scottjewell

This past week gay advocate Wayne Besen ran a commentary piece entitled, "Will Chick-fil-A Dig In or Dig Out of the Hole?". I wanted to comment on Besen's commentary which appears in HuffPost Gay Voices (which FReepers may link to but not post as articles).

Besen believes the company appeared to "take steps in a positive direction last week, when Dan Cathy "welcomed campus leaders to a private luncheon in Atlanta to discuss diversity, hospitality and the opportunity to find common ground." "

The meeting was held in secret and included among other groups the LGBT student advocacy group Campus Pride.

Besen makes no bones about this being a slap in the face to what he calls "the Huckabee crowd". I will admit the seeming capitulation was unwelcome to my own thinking.

Says Besen: "If Chick-fil-A truly desires rejoining mainstream America, it will have to come to terms with the fact that it will let down its most ardent defenders. Even a whiff of "capitulation" will infuriate anti-gay activists, who view the company as a beacon of hope in a secular world."

"If Cathy budges even an inch, extremist groups are going to squawk louder than a chicken in a slaughter barn, so Chick-fil-A might as well go all the way and renounce donations to homophobic hate groups and rejoin civilization." ....

He goes on to smirk at Scott Lively's idea - voiced in a recent WND Op-Ed piece - that the Chick-Fil-A August was a sign of changing times and a reversal of LGBT rights. (I had hoped the same thing and thus did not exactly appreciate Cathy's meeting or Besen's smirking).

Besen ends his piece by comparing Chick Fil A's position to that of the fort of Alamo in the Texas Revolution of 1836: According to Besen , if Chick-Fil-A wants to "rejoin civilization" it will have to become gay friendly and to "stop funding hate groups". On the other hand, if it seeks to become "the Alamo of the far right" it will fall as the fort did. Any thoughts would be welcome, and of course I am hoping he is self-deluded and that Cathy's seeming capitulation was nothing of the kind.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-besen/chick-fil-a_b_1856087.html


TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: chickfila; homosexualagenda

1 posted on 09/07/2012 4:12:36 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
On the other hand, if it seeks to become "the Alamo of the far right" it will fall as the fort did.

They were vastly outnumbered at the Alamo. That's not true in this case.
2 posted on 09/07/2012 4:16:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: scottjewell
“Campus Pride” must have wanted to meet with him to plead for a job, because especially in this economy, and with their Womyns study degrees, selling chicken from behind a counter is their only hope.
3 posted on 09/07/2012 4:18:35 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: scottjewell

Dan Cathy doesn’t have to explain anything, concede anything, or DO anything.
Do these idiots expect him to “turn around” after all the support he received?


4 posted on 09/07/2012 4:23:13 PM PDT by CPONav
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To: scottjewell

Slippin’ one’s falafal (or loofah or whatever - ask BOR for clarification) into another’s piehole outlet just doesn’t sound real civilized to me.


5 posted on 09/07/2012 4:23:33 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: scottjewell
The Alamo fell, but the cause it stood for prevailed. Besen is the one who needs to rejoin Western Civilization - it has endured for several millennia in one form or another and has transmitted to us several time-tested principals and institutions. The most important of these, in my view, is monogamous heterosexual marriage. The nuclear family is the bulwark of social order now, and has been, from times immemorial. If we are to endure, it must remain so.



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

6 posted on 09/07/2012 4:24:58 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michaeal the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: scottjewell

Traditional marriage= civilization

Queer marriage= barbarism

Not a hard equation to figure out.


7 posted on 09/07/2012 4:26:37 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher

That’s what gets me so angry, grrrrrrrr, fuming here.


8 posted on 09/07/2012 4:30:31 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: cripplecreek

Bravo for that.


9 posted on 09/07/2012 4:32:08 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: ConorMacNessa

Thank you, thank you, THANK you for making that point, which was dawning already in the dim banks of my history lesson memories. Once more, as you stated, “The Alamo fell, BUT THE CAUSE IT STOOD FOR PREVAILED.” Amen.


10 posted on 09/07/2012 4:34:42 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Are these people delusional? If you oppose homosexual marriage, you are uncivilized? So you need to rejoin civilization??? Is there any logical thought process behind this??? What the heck???


11 posted on 09/07/2012 4:34:59 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: CPONav

Exactly! What unbelievable ARROGANCE: Chick-Fil-A appreciation day was an earthquake, the gay kiss ins were duds. And yet this gay advocate is warning CFA to “rejoin civilization”?? Un-freakin-believable. I actually felt anger rising in me like heat as I read the piece.


12 posted on 09/07/2012 4:36:51 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It is so hubristic and arrogant i don’t know whether to laugh or tear my hair.


13 posted on 09/07/2012 4:37:36 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: MacMattico

Bravo, well said.


14 posted on 09/07/2012 4:38:57 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Actually, the perverts need to regain their morals.


15 posted on 09/07/2012 4:47:38 PM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: scottjewell
—— believes the company appeared to “take steps in a positive direction last week, when Dan Cathy “welcomed campus leaders to a private luncheon in Atlanta to discuss diversity, hospitality and the opportunity to find common ground.”——

What planet does this fudge packer live on....Dan Cathy just as easily have meet with these people to explain his first amendment rights and that his company already does not discriminate

16 posted on 09/07/2012 4:48:10 PM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: Popman

Right. Why does he assume there was any capitulation? And why would Cathy feel there was any need when his supporters vastly outnumber this drips? The self-delusion and grandiosity of these people is staggering.


17 posted on 09/07/2012 4:54:29 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Why don’t you just cool your jets and wait to see what actually happened. IF this meeting took place even the reporter said it was supposed to be ‘secret’ so why is he blathering on about it? Cathy may just have been trying to let folks know what Chick Fil A does as a company. He may have wanted to have folks understand his view point. You and I have NO idea what was discussed. Unless you where there and can report back then I am not interested in making comments abiut a good man who has done so much in this country. Cathy and the family are aces as far as I am concerned and your little repeating of a whispering campaign is not going to change that

Now go get a number 1 with waffle fries and sweet tea you will feel better


18 posted on 09/07/2012 4:54:50 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: scottjewell
You're quite welcome, FRiend! Just as an aside, I had a nice chicken sandwich with waffle fries and a Sprite at a nearby Chick-Fil-A this morning! My youngest son had the same - happy to support them!



Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

19 posted on 09/07/2012 4:56:26 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michaeal the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Nifster; All

Will heed your advice. :(

For the record, here is Campus Pride blog with all their blather about ChickFilA but I do not see the upshot of their meeting with Cathy:

http://www.campusprideblog.org/category/tags/dan-cathy


20 posted on 09/07/2012 4:57:28 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
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21 posted on 09/07/2012 5:00:53 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: ConorMacNessa

Roger that - That’s the spirit! :-)


22 posted on 09/07/2012 5:03:13 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Nifster; All

Addendum:

Look at the bad faith and presumptuous nature of this pro-gay article about the meeting: ( I am actually beginning to wonder if this meeting actually took place, and there are no real reports of it to be found anywhere):

“Chick-fil-A’s Dan Cathy Looking for LGBT Truce?”

t seems like the president and COO of Chick-fil-A, who found himself at the center of a media storm earlier this year for his anti-gay support, is trying to leave that in the past and move forward with his business.

The Advocate is reporting that an anonymous source told them Cathy met with college leaders on Aug. 30 in Atlanta to discuss “diversity, hospitality, and the opportunity to find common ground.”

http://www.southfloridagaynews.com/news/national-news/7081-chick-fil-as-dan-cathy-looking-for-lgbt-truce.html


23 posted on 09/07/2012 5:09:52 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Are these people delusional? If you oppose homosexual marriage, you are uncivilized? So you need to rejoin civilization??? Is there any logical thought process behind this??? What the heck???

They got that from the movie The World Accoding to Garp from '82. I only saw it once (too many) but Garp (Robin Williams) confronts a lout and beats him. John Lithgow, playing a transexual friend says to him "you have a hell of a way of making converts to civilization!"

Of course, the entire movie was a shameless piece of pink propaganda but it must have deeply influenced the discourse of the gay-rights movement.

24 posted on 09/07/2012 5:10:44 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: preacher

Ha, they never seem to answer that question!


25 posted on 09/07/2012 5:12:06 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

But when Partner A divorces Partner B, who will say:

Remember the Alamoney?


26 posted on 09/07/2012 5:53:25 PM PDT by NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN ('he who creates something worthwhile never dies.'')
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To: scottjewell

There are only 1.7% of the U.S. population that are homosexuals. Ignore this small bunch of whiners.


27 posted on 09/07/2012 6:02:05 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN

LMAO - too funny GOPman ;) I like your comic relief.


28 posted on 09/07/2012 6:04:16 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: txrefugee

I think I will. they are all empty fireworks and no substance.


29 posted on 09/07/2012 6:05:24 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

The only “common ground” Mr. Cathy can find with these people is to APOLOGIZE and then disavow all of his core beliefs about homosexuality. There is no give on their part; only take, and total capitulation; that’s the way bullies operate.


30 posted on 09/07/2012 6:23:59 PM PDT by Twinkie (Obamanation - where everything is free; except US!)
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To: scottjewell

Cool! I’m no longer part of civilization!


31 posted on 09/07/2012 6:55:08 PM PDT by djrakowski
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To: djrakowski

Guess that’s true of us all at FR. ;-)


32 posted on 09/07/2012 6:58:11 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Twinkie

Bingo!


33 posted on 09/07/2012 6:59:08 PM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

... and all of my fellow parishioners, most of my closest friends and family... we’re all in good company!


34 posted on 09/07/2012 7:01:24 PM PDT by djrakowski
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To: scottjewell
If JS is of the pervert persuasion (I have no interest in checking) I have zero confidence in the veracity of this report.

Militant perverts lie every day.

35 posted on 09/07/2012 7:05:06 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Are these people delusional? If you oppose homosexual marriage, you are uncivilized? So you need to rejoin civilization??? Is there any logical thought process behind this??? What the heck???

Consider the source.
Perverts, who are compelled to rant publicly, are mentally handicapped and physiologically impaired.

36 posted on 09/07/2012 7:10:45 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: preacher

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37 posted on 09/07/2012 7:14:26 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: scottjewell

Yup it sounds like some one is trying to spread rumors to get people riled up. I don’t like that one bit. I just figure who closes his business on Sunday probably isn’t going to cave to a bunch like these twerps


38 posted on 09/07/2012 7:17:38 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: publius911

Good catch!


39 posted on 09/07/2012 7:29:38 PM PDT by preacher (Communism has only killed 100 million people: Let's give it another chance!)
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To: scottjewell
This is what happens when you meet with sodomites in good faith: they threaten you even more.
40 posted on 09/07/2012 8:21:55 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: publius911

Remember in their mindset, a lie isn’t a lie if they think it helps their cause. The ends justify any and all means.


41 posted on 09/07/2012 9:32:25 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: fwdude

Absolutely. They always up the ante until their requirement of total acceptance is met.


42 posted on 09/08/2012 4:45:01 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: Nifster

Good point.


43 posted on 09/08/2012 4:49:09 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: publius911

Yes, they do lie and I suppose this might be another.


44 posted on 09/08/2012 4:53:00 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: djrakowski

Yes, we’re all in good company. ;-)


45 posted on 09/08/2012 4:54:07 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

They are the Borg of our time: “Resistance is futile. You must be absorbed.” (Or, for you older Trekkies, followers of Landrew—or whatever that guy’s name was (”We are of the Body...YOU are not of the Body?!”)


46 posted on 09/08/2012 4:57:50 AM PDT by MarDav
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To: MarDav

Well said. That’s it, in a nutshell.


47 posted on 09/08/2012 5:27:52 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
Gay Advocate believes Dan Cathy must 'rejoin civilization'

Legitimizing a relationship between a bug chaser and his gift giver by calling it marriage is not my idea of rejoining civilization.

48 posted on 09/08/2012 1:39:12 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: scottjewell

Chik-Fil-A has a large media presence and is doing great business in upstate South Carolina.


49 posted on 09/09/2012 9:39:57 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: onedoug

Great to hear.


50 posted on 09/09/2012 9:45:42 AM PDT by scottjewell
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