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Some fancy neighborhoods open gates to Section 8 tenants
The South Florida Sun-Sentinel ^ | September 8, 2012 | Megan O'Matz, John Maines and Barbara Hijek

Posted on 09/09/2012 11:20:23 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Here's an odd side effect of South Florida's foreclosure crisis: Some immense homes with pools and three-car garages in gated communities are being rented out to unlikely tenants — poor people paying with Section 8 aid.

Among the properties are homes with up to 4,500 square feet of space in private communities with guardhouses and regal names such as "Monarch Lakes" and "Bellagio at Vizcaya."

Some of the owners are teetering on foreclosure and gambling they can earn enough money from the federal housing vouchers to stave off the banks. Others bought the properties cheap in foreclosure auctions and want the guaranteed rental income.

Housing advocates and the government view the turnabout as a win-win for homeowners and the poor, who have access to safer communities and better schools.

But some neighbors are aghast.

After a single mother and her nine children rented a house in the exclusive Isles neighborhood of Coral Springs, the homeowners association adopted an amendment to its governing documents stating: "No Section 8 or government leasing assistance is permitted."

The association is threatening eviction.

Federal law does not expressly outlaw such bans....

(Excerpt) Read more at sun-sentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Local News
KEYWORDS: economy; florida; foreclosures; housing; obama; obamaville; section8; wealthredistribution; welfare
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1 posted on 09/09/2012 11:20:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only a matter of time before that property falls into disrepair, filled with trash and its interior gutted and destroyed. The owner needs to be held liable for every penny of depreciation of all properties affected by this.


2 posted on 09/09/2012 11:23:57 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So, will we see formerly nice neighborhoods “go ghetto” as we see the public assistance crowd move in?

Do these owners realize that public assistance types really tear up the places they live in? The rent income they get will not offset their repair costs, or their ongoing mortage costs, to keep the properties.

If you get undesirables in nice areas, then property values drop for everyone.


3 posted on 09/09/2012 11:24:09 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are about to discover a corrolary to Gresham’s Law - bad neighbors drive out good.


4 posted on 09/09/2012 11:24:57 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

You and I had the same thoughts, but you expressed it better than I did. If these owners think renting to the Section 8 crowd will give them income to tide them over until the real estate market improves, they are dreaming.


5 posted on 09/09/2012 11:25:49 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In evil times, the more useless or dangerous you are to society, the higher you live.

Amazing, how satanic goverment has become after we turned our back on God.


6 posted on 09/09/2012 11:28:41 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Back up and think for just a second. How do you propose trying to sell the notion that renting to the “wrong” people is actionable? It will never happen, not in a million years.


7 posted on 09/09/2012 11:31:19 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

9 children.


8 posted on 09/09/2012 11:32:22 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The reason why we have a housing problem is that the powers that be don't like the fact that some of us do what we can to move away from areas that breed crime. That fact irritates the powers, so they resort to a whole list of schemes which either encourage us or force us to comply to their ideals.

To prevent us from escaping neighborhoods that are "a changing" they fix the housing bubble in such a way to make it difficult for us to move. Then they fix it so people who breed crime are allowed into neighborhoods they would not be able to afford without a grand infusion of OUR CASH.

The Plan is for all of us to live happily in a Worker's Paradise, unable to move as we see fit, and have us pay the entire bill.

9 posted on 09/09/2012 11:32:37 AM PDT by Slyfox
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Typically, tenants pay about one-third of their income toward the rent and the government pays the rest

And who pays the utility bills? I own a 1800 sq" 4/2 in NE Florida, brand-new energy-efficient everything and my summer utility bill can easy exceed $300 -and that's keeping my A/C set at a sweltering 76 degrees.

I can't image what the bills for a 4500 sq" home with a living room "large enough to play football in" are going to set back these Section 8 tenants.

10 posted on 09/09/2012 11:37:20 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Slyfox

It may come to this:

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


11 posted on 09/09/2012 11:39:35 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

Just a small number of these folks will destroy the neighborhood in short order. Many of their children are little cretins who start building up rap sheets in their early teens.

Does anyone know if there is a publicly available list of addresses that have already been rented to Section 8 tenants? That would be useful information to track if you’re thinking of buying a home.


12 posted on 09/09/2012 11:40:07 AM PDT by bornred
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To: Drew68
"And who pays the utility bills?"

You and I do, naturally.

13 posted on 09/09/2012 11:40:49 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
.....and when does the looting of the other homeowners begin???

P.S..... don't forget to put your garage door down after you pull the car in....and for heaven sakes don't leave it open overnight!

14 posted on 09/09/2012 11:41:14 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: bornred

At the link you can click through to a government website that may work for that purpose.


15 posted on 09/09/2012 11:42:15 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Thank you for posting this!

I just copied it off and I'm sending it to our Homeowners Association Board to make sure this doesn't happen in our neighborhood.

16 posted on 09/09/2012 11:51:02 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You and I do, naturally.

Yes, of course. Stupid me. I'm sure they qualify for all kinds of exemptions, vouchers and reduced rates which means they wouldn't see a $300 utility bill if they ran their a/c 24/7 at 65 degrees with the windows open. Not to mention, many of them probably qualify as disabled which means paying their utility bill is completely optional. In many places, it's next to impossible for the power company to shut off a disabled person's service no matter how high they've run up past-due bills.

17 posted on 09/09/2012 11:53:17 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: bornred
Can you let me know what you find on this.....

I'm preparing a copy of this article with cover letter for my own Homeowners Association Board to insure this doesn't happen in our neighborhood.

18 posted on 09/09/2012 11:53:17 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: Drew68

As a disabled veteran, that’s news to me. Do you have a link by any chance?


19 posted on 09/09/2012 11:54:41 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Drew68
The water bills are generally the bill you really have to worry about.....

That's the one that can be placed as a lien against your house and cloud the title until the homeowner pays it.

20 posted on 09/09/2012 11:56:59 AM PDT by thingumbob (I'm a bitter clinger...I dare you to take my gun)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I hate the deadbeats who defaulted on their mortgage obligations and the parasitic dregs manipulating for advantage. Hate, hate, hate.

21 posted on 09/09/2012 12:07:13 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There goes the neighborhood.


22 posted on 09/09/2012 12:07:50 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Of course the one potential good thing is that once these people start moving in next to limousine liberals, they’ll start changing their tune.


23 posted on 09/09/2012 12:09:48 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As a disabled veteran, that’s news to me. Do you have a link by any chance?

I know my brother's in-laws are both scamming the SSDI gravy train. His MIL uses a CPAP machine. They haven't paid their electric bill in ages. She claims they can't be cut off. She seems to be right.

24 posted on 09/09/2012 12:11:03 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Section 8 has good parts also. I had 20 section 8 units. I restricted each unit for elderly handicapped . All were 1 floor units and were kept in great condition by the Tennant with constant attention from the housing unit.
It was a very pleasant experience for myself ,county,and tenant.


25 posted on 09/09/2012 12:11:14 PM PDT by primatreat (I am really tired of "0"s hustlers slinging defecation.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

And it introduces the risk that they cannot evict Section 8 tennants if they do not pay AND increases the risk that the property cannot be sold later due to damage or scaring would be buyers away.


26 posted on 09/09/2012 12:14:38 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Dilbert San Diego

They’ll just collect the vouchers for as long as possible and then walk away from the mortgage.


27 posted on 09/09/2012 12:15:27 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sure, just wait until those homeowners have to file to get them evicted after they don’t pay their rent for six months and then find out everything including the kitchen sink has been stolen or destroyed. Sorry, no sympathy.


28 posted on 09/09/2012 12:17:10 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bornred

I think you’d be able to tell. :-|


29 posted on 09/09/2012 12:19:39 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: thingumbob

Yep, and the water bill is usually a little bill, but forget and leave one hose running for 24 hours and watch what happens to it!


30 posted on 09/09/2012 12:21:56 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Slyfox

OMG, that’s got to be one of their tactics. They want people living in ghettos and they haven’t been able to trap the middle class into one yet. OTOH, nasty business like Katrina dispersed enormous ghettos into the rest of the population, as is now happening to Detroit (except there won’t be any urban renewal there). Not sure how that fits in, except as shock troops to invade the civilized enclaves. That makes sense.


31 posted on 09/09/2012 12:26:08 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: Drew68

Wife and I are both on CPAP. When I was a veteran’s career counselor for the state unemployment office, all 50 states trained in Denver. EVERY hotel room I ever saw of the other vet reps (stop by their room to change or get something after classes) had a CPAP machine in it!!


32 posted on 09/09/2012 12:27:18 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: thingumbob
The water bills are generally the bill you really have to worry about.....

Tell me about it.

Once, just once, I rented to some low-life cretins. They opened up the water sprinklers in the middle of the winter. The water froze the underground pipes. Spring came. The sink hole in the back yard was the first clue. Then the water bill arrived! Never ever again.

33 posted on 09/09/2012 12:28:10 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Some fancy neighborhoods open gates to Section 8 tenants

They won't be fancy for long.

34 posted on 09/09/2012 12:29:19 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: bornred

Do a drive through. Count the number of lawns that look like they are waiting for a government program and crew to clean them up. This should give you a base number.


35 posted on 09/09/2012 12:31:04 PM PDT by Kudsman (Restore the Republic, repeal the 17th.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

There are way too many new and upper middle class neighborhoods in Florida where the overwhelming majortiy of residents are non-white, and, people have no cars (with no public transportation in the area). This Section 8 stuff has been happening a while


36 posted on 09/09/2012 12:37:22 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (The DNC Convention is like the Nuremburg Rallies for non-white folks)
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To: Kudsman
Count the number of lawns that look like they are waiting for a government program and crew to clean them up. This should give you a base number.

This begs my next question; who takes care of the yard work? I know in my neighborhood, if you have so much as a weed in your lawn, stand by your mailbox for a polite but stern letter from the HOA telling you to square your lawn away. I can't quite picture some welfare momma with her nine children pushing a lawn mower once a week. That looks too much like work.

I'm sure the lawns look like crap and the neighbors can go pound sand.

37 posted on 09/09/2012 12:40:39 PM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why would you want to live in the PI? I hope you’re joking ‘cause that country is one of the most dysfunctional on earth, worse than Mexico. Anybody who has any brains/talent in the PI tries to leave.


38 posted on 09/09/2012 12:40:52 PM PDT by Catmom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Section 8 = ghetto

Remember! Harlem was built as LUXURY housing before a long- forgotten crash!


39 posted on 09/09/2012 12:43:24 PM PDT by Bon mots (When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...)
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To: Catmom

Okay, any idea what Singapore is like? I was stationed in Korea, twice, never been to the Philippines.


40 posted on 09/09/2012 12:45:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: TigerClaws

And a single mom to boot.


41 posted on 09/09/2012 12:45:04 PM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk; TigerClaws

In my day, 9 kids would’ve meant a clean house, tidy lawn and all kinds of money coming in from their after-school jobs and small business ventures. Today it means loads of extra welfare cash, free day care, food stamps galore, tons of free commidity food and all kinds of other goodies.


42 posted on 09/09/2012 12:51:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: thingumbob

Why don’t you ride through what used to be Cabrini Green or some other Section 8 housing and get back to me.


43 posted on 09/09/2012 12:51:13 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Reparations.


44 posted on 09/09/2012 12:53:34 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In my day, 9 kids would’ve meant a clean house, tidy lawn and all kinds of money coming in from their after-school jobs and small business ventures. Today it means loads of extra welfare cash, free day care, food stamps galore, tons of free commidity food and all kinds of other goodies.

Nine kids and Sect 8? Must be fertility drugs. The two best fertility drugs in the US are WIC vouchers and EBT cards.

45 posted on 09/09/2012 1:00:16 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender

How much in taxpayer benefits does a single broodmare get for 9 kids? She must be clearing about $5000 a month minimum taking into account housing, food, transportation and medical. And if any or all of those kids is labled disabled, look out. $$$$$ (I think SS disability is $700 a child.)


46 posted on 09/09/2012 1:04:55 PM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I lived in a condo for almost a year and discovered after leasing the neighbors below were Section 8. I had to call the police on them twice for domestic violence. They drank heavily, didn’t have jobs, and had a broken down car in front. There was pretty much nothing the HOA could do.

I lived in another, very nice, upscale condo when the foreclosure crisis hit. I used to go to the pool and there’d be a couple sunbathers or a couple senior citizens. It was lovely. Then, some condos went Section 8. The pool became unusable. It was taken over by white trash and gangs, and things were starting to have graffiti on them. We got a German Shepherd.

We moved from the condo to a home in a gated community in an even more, very upscale area- one of the nicest. We were near a nice shopping plaza. In the planned development, there were condos in the center of the hub. Nearly every single week there was a police helicopter circling overhead. My neighbor commented that it was because the condos had gone Section 8. The grocery store’s ingress and egress had to be remodeled and the other stores were locking their doors during the day due to flash mobs. A house behind me that was vacant at least a year obviously went Section 8. I came close to calling the police twice. I think the HOA got rid of them. They were only there a couple months and trashed the $350000+ house. I kept my gun within arm’s reach always. I figured my Shepherd would give me time to get the safety off.

I now live in a guard gated community. We only had 6 burglaries in one week last month so that might be an improvement.


47 posted on 09/09/2012 1:08:13 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

It would be better for the neighborhood if they just tore these houses down now , before the renters do it slowly over a year, and leave the garbage when they move to their next section 8 house.


48 posted on 09/09/2012 1:13:34 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: pops88

Lol, you need to get a single home.


49 posted on 09/09/2012 1:13:42 PM PDT by LongWayHome
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve lived in the Philippines. Here’s my restrained reply- Do I ever want to go back? No. Try looking at Saipan. It’s fairly Westernized and just a protectorate.


50 posted on 09/09/2012 1:14:47 PM PDT by pops88 (Standing with Breitbart for truth.)
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