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Elizabeth Warren: Undocumented Cherokee Only HLS Prof Not From Top 10 Law School
Maggie's Notebook ^ | 9-10-12 | Maggie@MaggiesNotebook

Posted on 09/10/2012 5:02:38 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook

Not only is Elizabeth Warren's claim of Native American blood in serious doubt (as in non-existence), so are her qualifications to teach at Harvard Law School (HLS). Warren, who is running for the Democrat Massachusetts US Senate seat now held by Republican Scott Brown, is the only - repeat - only HLS prof who DID NOT graduate from a top-ten law school. She graduated Rutgers, which reportedly ranks No. 82. By comparison, Scott Brown is an attorney, graduating with a J.D. from Boston College which ranks No. 29. The dean of HLS at the time, Robert Clark, said Affirmative Action allowed them to hire a woman whose expertise did not fit a need. In 1990 Warren co-authored a book that Rutgers Professor Phillip Schuchman critiqued and found "serious errors" and "grossly mistaken functions and comparisons." Note that Warren undoubtedly understands how being a documented Cherokee works, and there is exactly zero proof that she is. Her good fortune: Democrats embrace undocumented persons.

The book As We Forgive Our Debtors: Bankruptcy and Consumer Credit in America:

Warren and her co-authors had drawn improper conclusions from “even their flawed findings,” and “made their raw data unavailable” to check, he wrote. “In my opinion, the authors have engaged in repeated instances of scientific misconduct.”

The work “contains so much exaggeration, so many questionable ploys, and so many incorrect statements that it would be well to check the accuracy of their raw data, as old as it is,” Schuchman added.

Harvard Law School appears to have overlooked that review, in part, because of its commitment to hiring a woman professor.

Warren received professor status in 1992 and was granted tenure in 1995.
Clark [Robert Clark then-Harvard Law School dean] said HLS was engaging ‘affirmative action’ to the extent it was working to increase the number of women considered and interviewed,” wrote the Record’s Greg Stohr. “He also said the Law School would be willing to hire a qualified woman, even if her area of expertise did not fit an immediate need, but he stopped short of saying the school would lower its qualification requirements for women.”

“I guess what we’re not ready to do is to have a different standard,” Clark told the Record. Source: Daily Caller

Her Senate opponent Scott Brown served as the Army National Guard's defense attorney in New England, defending Guard members against disciplinary actions. Brown is an active Lt. Colonel in the Army National Guard. He received the Army Commendation meritorious service award in homeland security after the September 11 attacks, and received the 2004 "Public Servant of the Year" award from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce for reforming Massacusetts' sex offender laws.

Besides being an undocumented Cherokee Indian, another Warren claim to infamy is her establishment of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) which Congress found to be wasting "piles" of taxpayer monies. Congresswoman Ann Marie Burkle (R-NY) testified in Congressional hearings, that CFPB starting salaries exceed the Office of Budget and Management recommendations by up to 90 percent. Judicial Watch found that “a dozen new hires take home more than $225,000 a year,” and a student intern was paid $51,620. The CFPB is a scam.

Elizabeth Warren is a native Oklahoman, where the largest of three Cherokee tribal headquarters is located. While many may indeed have Cherokee blood, many are not federally recognized as having Cherokee heritage. To be recognized an ancestor must be listed on the Daws Roll, which was open to registration from 1896 through 1907. Her ancestry is apparently not there.

What is required to join the Cherokee Nation?

In order to register with the Cherokee Nation you must be directly descended from a person who was listed on the Final Rolls of Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes, Cherokee Nation. This roll is commonly known as the Dawes Roll. Source: All Things Cherokee

When the rolls were open, it's common knowledge that some did not sign, believing the perpetuation of their native blood might be a stigma for them or their families - but the point is, if you cannot document it, you are not Cherokee. Democrats believe "rules" are meant to be ignored. Warren used the claim to gain entrance to a position at Harvard, knowing she was/is not documented. Democrats hoist the mantle of the undocumented with gusto. It means votes. It means high-profile positions. It means money. It means power. Read the background of Warren's claim at Hot Air. Find links to Law School rankings here and here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: cherokeenatives; elizabethwarren; harvardlaw; massachusetts; scottbrown; slingingbull

1 posted on 09/10/2012 5:02:47 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks maggiesnotebook.
Not only is Elizabeth Warren's claim of Native American blood in serious doubt (as in non-existence), so are her qualifications to teach at Harvard Law School (HLS).

2 posted on 09/10/2012 5:12:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: maggiesnotebook

“Elizabeth Warren: Undocumented Cherokee”

That would make a great billboard!


3 posted on 09/10/2012 5:17:49 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: maggiesnotebook

One might generously think that Warren’s coming from a lesser-ranked school isn’t necessarily an indictment of her ability.

That said, knowing Harvard’s propensity for hiring pedigreed academics, it’s very hard to think she was so exceptional that she was hired for anything except her claimed ethnic heritage. She is the worst sort of hypocritical scum—a liberal who supports affirmative action and then cynically lies to take advantage of it.


4 posted on 09/10/2012 5:20:57 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: maggiesnotebook

With her complication and eye color, I’ll give her credit for having the nerve to play the Affirmative Action game. If she had only stayed put at Harvard, the world at large wouldn’t have noticed she was an Affirmative Action fraud.


5 posted on 09/10/2012 5:24:08 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: maggiesnotebook

complexion...


6 posted on 09/10/2012 5:26:15 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

I like complication better, lol. It fits her better.


7 posted on 09/10/2012 5:30:21 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
That said, knowing Harvard’s propensity for hiring pedigreed academics, it’s very hard to think she was so exceptional that she was hired for anything except her claimed ethnic heritage.

By the time she was hired by Harvard, she was already a tenured professor at another Ivy League law school (UPenn). So, even though she did not graduate from a top law school, she did have something of an academic pedigree by the time HLS hired her.

8 posted on 09/10/2012 5:42:25 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: CaptainK

I have a coworker who is a card-carrying member of The Eastern Band.

Blonde hair, blue eyes. She can document her ancestry, something Elizabeth Warren refuses to do, to the point of repeatedly snubbing and stonewalling Cherokee genealogists and even tribal authorities.

She’s a Wannabee, a fraud. There is no other answer.


9 posted on 09/10/2012 5:44:38 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: CaptainK
It's funny, but I know a fellow who was actually on the Cherokee tribal council. He looks pretty "Indian", and so does one of his daughters, but his other daughter is blonde and has blue eyes (she gets teased about it, too).

Hardly anybody is of "pure" tribal heritage anymore, so given the right combination of genes you can have an honest-to-goodness 'blue-eyed Indian'.

Not that I believe one single word Fauxcahontas is saying . . . just that her complexion doesn't necessarily tell against her. Other things do, though.

10 posted on 09/10/2012 5:51:24 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: RegulatorCountry
What I was sayin' . . .

We reputedly have a Cherokee ancestor on my dad's side, and the family was living in WNC at the time, but there is NO way that I would make any sort of claim until I had run down the relationship and verified it.

I would certainly not put it forward as a basis for an affirmative action claim without documenting it fully. That's dishonest.

11 posted on 09/10/2012 5:59:45 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: maggiesnotebook

High cheek bones = Lie-a-watha.


12 posted on 09/10/2012 6:01:15 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: maggiesnotebook; SunkenCiv; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; LucyT; chicagolady; Liz; LottieDah; ...

Affirmative Action by its very nature is an inducement to all kinds of fraud on the part of those seeking its special privileges. While the original architects of Affirmative Action saw it as a way to ensure “fairness,” it inevitably became riddled with all kinds of corruption and injustice. This Elizabeth Warren story is undoubtedly just one of many Affirmative Action scandals.


13 posted on 09/10/2012 6:07:25 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: maggiesnotebook
This has got to fry Clare Dalton, an impressive former professor at the Harvard Law School. (liberal but otherwise quite impressive)

'Prof. Clare Dalton, who is married to Labor Secretary Robert B. Reich, sued Harvard in 1987 for discrimination when five male professors were granted tenure but she was not. Professor Dalton, who is now tenured at the Northeastern University School of Law, reached an out-of-court settlement with Harvard on Monday."

14 posted on 09/10/2012 6:10:59 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
By the time she was hired by Harvard, she was already a tenured professor at another Ivy League law school (UPenn). So, even though she did not graduate from a top law school, she did have something of an academic pedigree by the time HLS hired her.

That's a bit reassuring. At least she had more of an academic pedigree than that famous Constitutional Law instructor at University of Chicago. Still, judging from how they mentioned her as a diversity hire, it's hard not to think her claim affected the decision to select her.

15 posted on 09/10/2012 6:21:00 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: AnAmericanMother

The Guion Miller Roll is the best place to start for genealogical purposes. It’s later than the Baker Roll and contains newer and often additional/different information. It also lists all applicants, not just those accepted, even listing reasons for denial. Being denied does not necessarily mean the indiviual(s) were not Cherokee descendants. It can mean that they had lived apart from the tribe going back generations, certainly prior to 1835.

I have seven relatives on it, but only one in my direct maternal line. My great grandmother.


16 posted on 09/10/2012 6:28:43 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: maggiesnotebook

Does this make her an undocumented non-immigrant? Surely she deserves some leg-up for bearing such an unwieldy burden.


17 posted on 09/10/2012 6:31:11 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: RegulatorCountry
I had a distant cousin who married a Cherokee woman and went with her and their children on the Trail of Tears from Georgia to Oklahoma. I find some of their descendants in the later Cherokee rolls. On the census some of the descendants are listed as speaking only the Cherokee language. Because the white ancestry was Scots-Irish, it's possible that some of them had blue eyes, but I don't have any information about that.

I don't have any Cherokee or other American Indian ancestry, at least as far as I know. I did have some ancestors in Virginia in the 17th century so I could be descended from Pocahontas, I suppose. But I'm not sure that I would want to be related to John Randolph of Roanoke.

18 posted on 09/10/2012 6:40:54 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: AnAmericanMother
***We reputedly have a Cherokee ancestor on my dad's side,***

My dad and uncles said we have a “Genuine Cherokee Princess” in our background. A deep look at our genealogy shows the only person who could be Cherokee was NOT Cherokee or any Indian background.

19 posted on 09/10/2012 6:46:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Verginius Rufus

I’ve got a legendary who-knows-how-many-greats great grandfather who would make Pocahontas a relative. Opechancanough, half brother of Chief Powhatan.

He reputedly raped Mary Sizemore in an attack during the Second Powhatan War, in 1622. Opechancanough himself was possibly the product of rape, by a priest from a Spanish fort further up the Chesapeake. He’s believed to have been “Don Luis” who was taken to Spain, something of a celebrity in certain circles. He was a “Werowance,” a chief, as was his half brother, what has historically been misconstrued as being similar to royalty as Europeans understood it.

That, you’d never prove. It is a persistent legend though. Unusually detailed and reasonably true to the few known written accounts.


20 posted on 09/10/2012 6:58:19 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SunkenCiv

Paleface Dizzy Lizzy Warren.....her drive Cherokee.....think that make her Cherokee....Good thing she not drive Hummer.....she be most popular teacher at Harvard.....


21 posted on 09/10/2012 7:06:29 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: RegulatorCountry

According to my family history, ancestors had their villages raided by indians; the women and children taken captive (enslaved) and a female relative’s scalp was tacked on the door of her house. The surviving men, who mostly were working away from their homes when the indian raid occured, were too few in number to handle freeing the captives and campaigned for a period of nearly two years for other white men to come to their aid to recover the kidnapped relatives and take revenge on the indians.

There is more written detail, but to make a long story short, it was a Native American victim story in the end and the scalped lady lived “without a hair on her head” and was rescued in an unmerciful and barbaric white male slaughter of poor, defenseless indians. Some of the gory detail are in writing.

That’s the written story from whitey’s side. There was not two sides to the story passed on. There were no indian survivors in the village to tell their story - men, women or children.


22 posted on 09/10/2012 7:33:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: blueunicorn6

I heard she loves buffalo wings too!


23 posted on 09/10/2012 7:35:49 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Diversity and political correctness. The real reason 09-11-01 happened.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Opechancanough would probably be one of Obama’s heroes if he had ever heard of him (which I doubt). He tried to wipe out the Jamestown settlement—but only killed the white settlers, not any blacks (unclear whether they were slaves or indentured servants at that point). The colony survived but soon after the Virginia Compnay lost control and it became a royal colony.


24 posted on 09/10/2012 9:56:59 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

It was a violent time. There were “kill them all” types among the Powhatan, but also among the Jamestown settlers as well. A doctor tried to poison the indians, succeeded with quite a few, in retaliation for an attack. Then, there were those who tried to get along, on both sides.

Opechancanough not killing blacks isn’t necessarily true, there weren’t very many there at all at that point. The headrights system was providing more than enough Irish, Scotch and English indentured servants. Africans were comparatively expensive. They were all indentured servants at that time.

The African slave trade began in earnest for several reasons. Chattel slavery, slavery for life, did not exist as a legal construct until th 1670’s, they began running out of desirable land to give indentured servants once their term had been served leading to the collapse of the headrights system, and plantation owners began to perceive that Africans had a better survival rate due to better disease resistance in swampy, tropical areas like the rice and indigo plantations further south.

All this coincided between 1670 - 1680. Indentured servitude faded and chattel slavery arose from that point onward.


25 posted on 09/11/2012 4:00:23 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Of course the Spanish had been importing Africans to work as slaves in the New World from the very early 1500s, more than 100 years before the first Africans arrived at Jamestown. The Portuguese began capturing people on the coast of Africa and taking them either to Portugal or to their Atlantic islands to be slaves from around 1441. Of course they were just doing what the Muslims had been doing to non-Muslims (black, white, or whatever) for centuries, and what the Europeans had been doing to outsiders (whether pagans, Muslims, or the wrong kind of Christians) for centuries too.


26 posted on 09/11/2012 6:41:41 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: RegulatorCountry
Exactly. I was doing genealogy pretty seriously when I was between jobs, but haven't had a chance to go after it recently. That line of the family is a little bit murky, but sooner or later I'll get to it.

This would be a great-great grandfather or possibly HIS father. The family (six sons) moved down from Western VA to WNC and ETN in the 1790s. Needless to say, records are spotty, so I'll probably have to run other branches of the family down and work my way back up.

My best guess is that we will find that the relationship is collateral to my ancestor - possibly a marriage with one of his five brothers. Oral history is always a little vague.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 9:47:20 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Verginius Rufus
As long as you're not descended from John Randolph of Roanoke, you're probably o.k. His . . . ah, shall we say "quirks" . . . were probably due to childhood illness and not hereditary. And he had no offspring for the same reason.

He must have been a lot of fun to watch though - from a safe distance, and concealed.

28 posted on 09/11/2012 9:49:50 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
"Genuine Cherokee Princess" is kind of like "General Washington's Personal Bodyguard" or "Colonel of Artillery, C.S.A."

Oral history does tend to exaggerate over time.

One of my gg grandfathers actually was a captain of artillery, but one of the others was a private in an Alabama cavalry regiment. He used to refer to himself as "plain private Long", and observed that he met so many captains and majors and so forth after the War, that he concluded he was the only private who had survived.

29 posted on 09/11/2012 9:53:49 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: AnAmericanMother
George H. W. Bush is a distant relative of Franklin Pierce, as is Barbara Bush, whose maiden name was Pierce.

The New York Times, with its usual level of accuracy, was in the habit of saying that George W. Bush is a descendant of President Franklin Pierce. President Pierce had three children, all of whom died in childhood (the last of them in a train wreck shortly before Pierce entered the White House), so he has no living descendants.

30 posted on 09/11/2012 10:51:53 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
Yep, that was a very sad situation all the way around. Benjamin was killed before his parents' eyes. No wonder his mother retreated into religious fanaticism, and his father into drink.

And you can trust the NYT to get it wrong. If they said the sun rose in the east, I would look outside and check.

31 posted on 09/11/2012 11:38:52 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: maggiesnotebook

If their entire faculty is drawn from only ten schools, then there cannot be a diversity of opinion. They need to do “affirmative action” for minority opinions.. Intellectual inbreeding is like biological inbreeding - you wind up with a lot of mentally defective offspring.


32 posted on 09/11/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: AnAmericanMother

***but one of the others was a private in an Alabama cavalry regiment.****

Same here. My great-great grandfather was a private in the Alabama cavalry.

4th Alabama Cavalry battalion. (Love’s Battalion).

Consolidated with Phillip’s Leigon, Wade Hampton’s Cavalry Battalion(GA). Then merged into the Jeff Davis Missisippi Cavalry Legion.

Fought at The Wilderness, Spotsylvania Court House, North Anna, 2nd Cold Harbor Trevilian Station and the Petersburg seige.

Somewhere in those battles he was wounded and taken prisoner.


33 posted on 09/11/2012 3:53:12 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: blueunicorn6

;’)


34 posted on 09/11/2012 5:01:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: maggiesnotebook

One question the media will never ask:

Ms. Warren, have any of your adult children used the Native American designation for college admission, scholarships, or job applications, and are you willing to provide copies of those documents for confirmation?


35 posted on 09/11/2012 5:10:11 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: maggiesnotebook; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal; ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si4cVCKJ8OU


36 posted on 09/11/2012 6:06:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Verginius Rufus

I can only speak with any level of familiarity to the English colonies in North America. I understand that human bondage in its many forms was not invented on this continent, and the practice did not end in the world with the end of our so-called civil war. There are slaves today, held by the same group that has played such a large role in the practice going back a thousand years.


37 posted on 09/11/2012 8:13:07 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: justiceseeker93

It is a direct violation of the 14th Amendment!


38 posted on 09/13/2012 1:01:17 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ladyjane

ladyjane, very interesting. Thanks!


39 posted on 09/15/2012 7:07:01 PM PDT by maggiesnotebook
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