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Bob Dylan: Slavery Ruined America
The Atlanta Black Star ^ | September 12, 2012 | Nick Chiles

Posted on 09/12/2012 11:28:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Folk rock legend Bob Dylan has some strong words about America that many of his compatriots may not want to hear: He says the stigma of slavery ruined America and he doubts whether the country can get rid of the shame because it was “founded on the backs of slaves.”

Dylan spoke to Rolling Stone for a cover story that coincides with the release of his 35th studio album, “Tempest.” Dylan has long been an outspoken critic of American culture and its inherent inequalities, particularly during the 1960s when his songs “Blowin’ in the Wind” and “The Times They Are a-Changin’” voiced his generation’s support for civil rights and anger at the Vietnam War.

In his interview with Rolling Stone, Dylan, who has won just about every music and songwriting award on the planet, seems intent not so much on attacking America for its racist history but observing that racism has long been holding the country back.

“People (are) at each other’s throats just because they are of a different color,” he said. “It will hold any nation back.”

A 71-year-old man born in Minnesota at a time when blacks in many parts of the country couldn’t eat in white restaurants or use white water fountains, Dylan has seen a great deal of America’s progress and evolution during the past century—all the way to the election of the first black president. But clearly he has not seen enough progress. And he thinks it all goes back to the country’s founding.

He tells Rolling Stone that blacks know that some whites “didn’t want to give up slavery.” Only after a civil war cleaved the nation in two did slavery come to a reluctant end—after more than 600,000 Americans (including 260,000 Southerners) died in a war that started because the South wanted to preserve the institution.

“If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today,” Dylan observes.

When the magazine asked if the election of President Obama was helping to bring about a change, Dylan says: “I don’t have any opinion on that. You have to change your heart if you want to change.”

The magazine’s new issue hits newsstands Friday.


TOPICS: Music/Entertainment; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012electionbias; antiamericanism; blacks; bobdylan; civilrights; civilwar; moralabsolutes; obama; placetheracecard; rollingstoned; slavery
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Trying to stir up some white guilt before the election?
1 posted on 09/12/2012 11:28:21 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dylan’s voice ruined my eardrums.


2 posted on 09/12/2012 11:29:54 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

An embarassment.


3 posted on 09/12/2012 11:30:39 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: CaptainK

Dylan recently made a guest appearance on Pawn Stars.
He appeared to be so addled and brain fried he made Ozzy Osbourne look like Albert Einstein by comparison.


4 posted on 09/12/2012 11:31:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The US outlawed slavery long before most other countries did. I believe Hungary was the first country to outlaw slavery but the US was in the first ten or so to do so.


5 posted on 09/12/2012 11:31:46 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Hopey changey Low emission unicorns and a crap sandwich)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

OMG!!! I’M RUINT!!!!


6 posted on 09/12/2012 11:32:14 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberal Moron. Must be getting hungry — looking for his Obama hand out.


7 posted on 09/12/2012 11:32:30 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“People (are) at each other’s throats just because they are of a different color,” he said. “It will hold any nation back.”

Racism isn’t dead...it’s been put on life support by the Democrat Party.” - T. Sowell


8 posted on 09/12/2012 11:32:42 AM PDT by jessduntno ("President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Black separatists in the Black Panther movement (1960s and today) stir the kettle of racism by indoctrinating their children that no white person will ever look kindly upon them.

That is child abuse.


9 posted on 09/12/2012 11:32:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: CaptainK

“He says the stigma of slavery ruined America...”

Well, he’s half right.


10 posted on 09/12/2012 11:32:58 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hmmpphh ... Zimmerman's fame and wealth came in over the bodies of dead men in Viet Nam.

phuque you, Zimmerman!

11 posted on 09/12/2012 11:33:09 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Apart from other old hippy fleabags, who cares what this old hippy fleabag thinks?

The sun will shine a little brighter on the day that we bury the last of the louse-eaten nincompoops from the sixties.

12 posted on 09/12/2012 11:33:57 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: PetroniusMaximus

Should’ve picked our own damn cotton.


13 posted on 09/12/2012 11:34:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

““If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today,” Dylan observes.”

He got that right. Thanks, Progressives.


14 posted on 09/12/2012 11:35:18 AM PDT by jessduntno ("President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wow,I’ve been waiting 8 yrs to hear “the bob’s” opinion.Still waiting for slim whitman’s to.(sarcasm)


15 posted on 09/12/2012 11:35:18 AM PDT by ohiobushman (Only in N.Y.C can u buy beer by the case,liquor by the gallon,but be a criminal buying a soda!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Slavery was OLD before the US imported slaves here.

Granted that does not make it OK.

However, the US was one of the very first countries to reject it wholesale. As a matter of fact, the US put its future and fortune on the line to fight over abolition.

But-I guess we’re supposed to overlook that.


16 posted on 09/12/2012 11:35:18 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; scott says

Sure. Let’s take a quote yanked out of any context by AP and use it to hammer Bob.

Free Republic at its finest.


17 posted on 09/12/2012 11:35:33 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I saw him a few years ago at the Mudcats stadium in NC. Willie Nelson warmed up for him and was awesome. Dylan came on and nobody could understand a word he was mumbling. Many of us just left.


18 posted on 09/12/2012 11:35:53 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (Islam Wants You Dead!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He tells Rolling Stone that blacks know that some whites “didn’t want to give up slavery.” Only after a civil war cleaved the nation in two did slavery come to a reluctant end—after more than 600,000 Americans (including 260,000 Southerners) died in a war that started because the South wanted to preserve the institution. “If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today,” Dylan observes.

Slavery is still practiced openly in Africa and the Middle East. Where is the outrage?

Meanwhile 50 million babies have been sacrificed to Lilith/Pan since 1973. Where is the outrage?

Oh these times are a shaming.

19 posted on 09/12/2012 11:36:00 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That was over 150 years ago. Our pResident has done more damage.
20 posted on 09/12/2012 11:36:09 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: muir_redwoods
Spain outlawed slavery BEFORE 1492 ~ American slavery has several different European sources ~ Portugual, England, France, Netherlands ~ and several native American sources. The Iroquois kept whole tribes subordinate to their needs, and as they adopted European ways, they maintained large farms in New York worked by black and European slaves or bond servants.

The UK's great emancipator is a fellow named Wilburforce

21 posted on 09/12/2012 11:37:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Revolting cat!

This is Bob Dylan talking. How are we sure the interviewer even could understand what he was saying?


22 posted on 09/12/2012 11:37:30 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Obama likes to claim credit for getting Osama. Why hasn't he tried Khalid Sheikh Mohammed yet?)
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To: ohiobushman

But what do Boxcar Willie and Junior Samples think? And Stringbean?


23 posted on 09/12/2012 11:38:30 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
All that dope he's smoked over the last 50 years has clearly taken its toll.So,Bob,the "guilt" of slavery will always remain? The "debt" that we may,or may not,owe can never be fully repaid?
24 posted on 09/12/2012 11:39:14 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (If Obama's Reelected Imagine The Mess He'll Inherit!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Liberals are ruining America


25 posted on 09/12/2012 11:39:21 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

EVERY country has engaged in slavery at one time or another throughout history. How many of the others have done what America has done for the descendants of their former slaves? KMA BOBBY!!! You braindead moron. Take your whining crap somewhere else. France is really popular these days.


26 posted on 09/12/2012 11:40:09 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thomas Jefferson Wrote:

The whole commerce between master and slave is a perpetual exercise of the most boisterous passions, the most unremitting despotism on the one part, and degrading submissions on the other. . . .

And with what execration should the statesman be loaded, who permitting one half the citizens thus to trample on the rights of the other. . . . And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the gift of God?

That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep forever.


27 posted on 09/12/2012 11:40:39 AM PDT by donna (...gay couples raising kids. That's the American way... -Mitt Romney)
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To: jwalsh07

Typical Lib. So worried about slavery from the past, but what is he doing about the 27,000,000 slaves in the world today? Nothing, they don’t matter according to his political world view.
FUBD


28 posted on 09/12/2012 11:40:55 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Bob must not have heard of this thingy called the Civil War. 600,000 Americans died to settle the slavery issue, case closed.
29 posted on 09/12/2012 11:41:17 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Encourage all of your Democrat friends to get out and vote on November 7th, the stakes are high.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Only white people are racist you know.


30 posted on 09/12/2012 11:42:04 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian
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To: knarf

Dylan is a timeless folk singer, he was never an anti-Vietnam war based phenomenon.


31 posted on 09/12/2012 11:42:37 AM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: don-o
First of all, it's The Atlanta Black Star not The Associated Press and they're going by a laengthy interview with Mr. Dylan done by the music magazine Rolling Stone. How is the a "quote yanked out of context?" Did you even read the article or just jump in based on their headline?
32 posted on 09/12/2012 11:43:20 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If slavery had been given up in a more peaceful way, America would be far ahead today.

I agree with this statement. For one thing the south would have been a lot better off. And I am glad to see Dylan did not take the Obama as a solution bait.

The Democrat party institutionalized racism in many ways.

The Democrat Party is the home of slavery, the KKK, Jim Crow laws, lynchings, racial paranoia, the promotion of black genocide through abortion, the disintegration of the family through the government plantation (welfare) system. The root cause and home of racial tension is now, and has always been, the Democrat Party. If more Republicans simply remembered and communicated these historical facts the sooner we might undo the damage caused by the left.

33 posted on 09/12/2012 11:43:23 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I Never liked his music...Or him, for that matter.


34 posted on 09/12/2012 11:44:12 AM PDT by Wyrd bi ful ard
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And yet another waste of sperm rises to spew his anti-American gibberish.

Bob Dylan’s opinions are those of an idiot.

Bob Dylan’s music sucks.

Go Eff yourself Bob Dylan!


35 posted on 09/12/2012 11:44:45 AM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: don-o

As presented the quotes seem complete and stand well on their own. What possible mitigating context can there be?


36 posted on 09/12/2012 11:46:17 AM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The answer, my friend, is blow it out your a**.


37 posted on 09/12/2012 11:48:46 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Name one other country that had a civil war to abolish slavery.
38 posted on 09/12/2012 11:49:56 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My favorite Dylan song is when he sings: aaa aaaaa aa aaaaaa aaaa a aaaa aaaaaaaaa aaaaaa

Man that is deep!


39 posted on 09/12/2012 11:50:13 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s the most untalented hack “songwriter” a lousy guitarist, and he CANNOT sing.

He’s one of the most over-rated musicians of all time.

Now he’s just sufferring from old git dementia.


40 posted on 09/12/2012 11:50:35 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (I'm a grown-ass man, I thought I'd seen it all.)
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To: ansel12
Correct. They tried to drag him into the anti war movement many times but he wouldn't do it.

The thing about Dylan's music is you can read into it anything you want. People would hear something like It's a Hard Rain and assume it was about nuclear fallout but it was not. It was just his stream of consciousness writing style.

41 posted on 09/12/2012 11:50:48 AM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Hey Zimmerman, how 'bout if you just shut up and don't sing, k ?
42 posted on 09/12/2012 11:52:11 AM PDT by tomkat (double ought . . cuz single ought gets lonely ;-)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I was going to say, “Shut up and sing,” but on second thought...just shut up!


43 posted on 09/12/2012 11:52:29 AM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And, his OPINION is important why?


44 posted on 09/12/2012 11:53:09 AM PDT by arrdon (Never underestimate the stupidity of the American voter.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good God, liberals are stupid.


45 posted on 09/12/2012 11:53:24 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If we had just left these people in Africa where they enjoyed making slaves and meals of each other , and imported the Irish to work the southern plantations we wouldn’t have had this problem either.

Then again if my aunt had a penis she would have been my uncle.


46 posted on 09/12/2012 11:53:28 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand how personal taste can result in people liking his music - and that there is music I like that others hate - but I can’t stand anything this guy does. He’s horrible. His music makes me want to shove spoons in my ears.


47 posted on 09/12/2012 11:53:59 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

—He says the stigma of slavery ruined America—

So, it was the importing of Africans to this country that ruined it,...?

—“People (are) at each other’s throats just because they are of a different color,” he said. “It will hold any nation back.” —

So, if everyone were the same color we wouldn’t be held back,...?


48 posted on 09/12/2012 11:54:07 AM PDT by running_dog_lackey
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Soooo....Dylan’s going to support today’s (and yesterdays for that matter) SLAVE Party...the Democrats, eh? That Plantation is getting pretty full....he just wants to be one of the owners.


49 posted on 09/12/2012 11:54:41 AM PDT by goodnesswins (What has happened to America?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Zimmerman would have done a lot to help the situation if he’d have closed the loop by mentioning there is a lot of racism on both sides of the great divide, and that it’s gotten worse since Zero’s election, not better. He had the perfect opportunity with the last question in the OP above.


50 posted on 09/12/2012 11:55:12 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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