Skip to comments.Bob Dylan: Slavery Ruined America
Posted on 09/12/2012 11:28:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Go argue with yourself, ansel12. You just might win.
Read post 114, and think about it.
Let me begin by saying that I am, and pretty much always have been, a Dylan fan. I listened when he was young, I listened during his Christian era (his best), and I've listened to his later years stuff.
Let me offer a defense of his words based on the line above.
It is like saying of a husband/wife divorce: "It would have brought better relationships afterwards, if it hadn't been a physical abuse case. In fact, it would have been better for the kids if it hadn't been a physical abuse case."
Now, as a career-long pastor, chaplain, and marriage & family counselor and educator, I know that the above about divorce and abuse is true. Abuse brings lingering inter-generational effects, and sadly, they somehow transmit to the children in terms of repeating the abuse patterns that they've witnessed.
Can we apply this to a nation, slavery, and the passage of 150 years?
That's pure conjecture on my part, but I have seen the lingering effects of WWII in terms of Germans and Japanese, and how we view them.
So, perhaps this might have been what Dylan was thinking. Perhaps not.
I've already purchased "Tempest", I've yet to listen to it because I just got it day before yesterday, and if there's anything in the album that directly addresses these ideas of Dylan's, then maybe we'll all know a bit more.
I was pleased that Dylan would not defend Obama.
“If we had just left these people in Africa where they enjoyed making slaves and meals of each other , and imported the Irish to work the southern plantations we wouldnt have had this problem either.
Then again if my aunt had a penis she would have been my uncle.”
Best post of the entire day!
Thanks for posting it,
“The papal bull Sublimus Dei of 1537, to which Spain was committed, also officially banned slavery, but it was rescinded a year after its promulgation. Therefore, the Spanish used other forms of coerced labor in their colonies, such as the Indian Reductions method, the encomienda system, repartimiento, and the mita.
After the issuing of the 1542 New Laws, the Spanish greatly restricted the power of the encomienda system. The statutes of 1573, within the “Ordinances Concerning Discoveries,” forbade certain kinds of coerced labor and regulated treatment of the local population. It required appointment of a “protector de indios”, an ecclesiastical representative who acted as the protector of the Indians and represented them in formal litigation. These laws however did not change very much the practice of encomienda and mita forced labor.
Later in the 16th century, in the viceroyalties of New Spain and Peru, thousends of Indigenous people they were forced to hard work as underground miners in the mines of Potosi, Guanajuato and Zacatecas.
The Spanish imported Africans as laborers to the Americas in 1502. They continued to import African slaves, generally buying them from British and Portuguese traders (the former also were transporting slaves to the West Indies and Americas.) The Spanish finally outlawed slavery in the 18th century in all colonies with the exceptions of Cuba and Puerto Rico. There it survived in a semi-legal state until being abolished in 1866 and 1863, respectively.”
My point is, with you it's always the same. Who do I believe, the great oracle muawiyah or my own lying eyes?
BD needs to go to the old folks home and put a sock in it.
The only way you can deal with these problems is get a source in Spanish from somewhere in the Hapsburg sphere of influence and another in English or French ~ and see if you can figure out what the truth was.
BTW the Turks also had a major interest in the goings on in England and Spain and sometimes you'll see one of their versions infiltrating into the history.
So, you want to believe that the same Spanish government that was suppressing slavery was supporting slavery?
I cannot stand his voice!
Thank GOODNESS I’m not the only one who does not like his music!
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