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Bob Dylan: Slavery Ruined America
The Atlanta Black Star ^ | September 12, 2012 | Nick Chiles

Posted on 09/12/2012 11:28:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
I Never liked his music...

Me either. As a tot my mom told me that whenever one of her brothers would put Dylan on the turntable I'd cover my ears and run away crying.


51 posted on 09/12/2012 11:55:38 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: dfwgator

In many, MOST??, cases, we DID pick our own cotton. It’s a myth that only blacks did it.


52 posted on 09/12/2012 11:56:33 AM PDT by Shimmer1 (No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t recall asking Mr. Zimmerman about his opinion.


53 posted on 09/12/2012 11:57:32 AM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dylan has been a political conservative since the 80’s, at least, and in his later years has written songs far better than what the MSM still hold up as leftist standards. He was a folk singer for about five minutes.
He’s the author of some of the best gospel music I’ve ever heard. I know of right-leaning literary critics who revere him (see Patrick Kurp).
There was a website, “rightwingbob” written by a very talented conservative writer, that lasted for years, with convincing arguments that Bob doesn’t belong to the Left at all. He’s one of ours.
I doubt if he brought up the subject of slavery but his statement about slavery is not very controversial. I’d like to see the whole interview.
And that he gives interviews to the Rolling Stone? They worship him and probably named their magazine after his song. I’ll wager that whenever the editors of R.S. have to deal with B.D. they’re pretty uncomfortable.


54 posted on 09/12/2012 11:58:02 AM PDT by dangerfield
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone should tell Bob Dyaln that the glorious countries where they killed our ambassadors that slavery is still LEGAL in those great “spring” countries....


55 posted on 09/12/2012 11:58:21 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: jboot

Liberals always squeal “Out of context!” whenever their own words get tossed back at them. This case is no different.


56 posted on 09/12/2012 11:59:12 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We'll be waiting for Bob's tribute to hip-hop CD box set...
57 posted on 09/12/2012 11:59:56 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Quit poking holes in the life raft!)
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To: muir_redwoods

The US outlawed slavery long before most other countries did. I believe Hungary was the first country to outlaw slavery but the US was in the first ten or so to do so.

The Abolition of Slavery with the price of American Blood, REDEEMED the country not ruined it.

Jim Crow ( a democrat idea) almost Ruined things.

I wonder if little Bobby Dylan realizes that the liberal Icon Woodrow Wilson RE-Segregated the Millitary????

Dumbass Dylan


58 posted on 09/12/2012 12:00:07 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Upstate NY Guy

The South would be 100 times better off it it had won the Civil War, independent of NY & New England condescending < expletive deleted >.


59 posted on 09/12/2012 12:02:36 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ohiobushman
Wow,I’ve been waiting 8 yrs to hear “the bob’s” opinion.Still waiting for slim whitman’s to.(sarcasm)

DEATH TO SLIM WHITMAN! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MhgnMX73Pw

60 posted on 09/12/2012 12:03:03 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone should tell Bob Dyaln that the glorious countries where they killed our ambassadors that slavery is still LEGAL in those great “spring” countries....


61 posted on 09/12/2012 12:03:59 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: goodnesswins

From the Weekly Standard.

“And indeed, any scrutiny of the record would show that he has never endorsed a political candidate (although some political candidates have endorsed him). The closest he has ever come would be the statement in his memoir, Chronicles, that his “favorite politician” circa 1961 was Barry Goldwater.”


62 posted on 09/12/2012 12:05:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Zimmerman is a slave....

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He is, he can only make it to Dublin from Minneapolis nonstop in his personal Gulfstream GIII....

63 posted on 09/12/2012 12:08:35 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dylan = Moron. The only thing about slavery that ruined America is the democrats continued victimization campaign.
64 posted on 09/12/2012 12:08:39 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

something like that anyways.


65 posted on 09/12/2012 12:09:28 PM PDT by RC one
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
First of all, it's The Atlanta Black Star not The Associated Press and they're going by a laengthy interview with Mr. Dylan done by the music magazine Rolling Stone. How is the a "quote yanked out of context?" Did you even read the article or just jump in based on their headline?

FIrst od all, it's a blog and all the quotefrom the RS interview is what AP reported this morning. I read the AP story, and I read all of the blog just to see if they had any more.

K?

66 posted on 09/12/2012 12:11:11 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: jessduntno

Obama’s election has only served to inflame already intense black racism, b/c every time the Marxist thug is criticized, blacks are told that it proves that WHITE racism is still alive and well. It is shocking the near totality of black trust for the punk who is leading us, and THEM, down the sewer. Bob


67 posted on 09/12/2012 12:12:33 PM PDT by alstewartfan (When you grab the wheel of fortune you get caught up in the cogs." Harry Chapin)
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To: knarf

As far as Vietnam, you are wrong.

This is from The Weekly Standard.

It’s an interesting paradox. Looking at the record, Vietnam should have been the wedge that forced the left to reject Dylan as a matter of dogma, because he failed to give them anything that they demanded from him, and actually gave them the opposite of what they wanted.
Instead, the Vietnam war is the seemingly unbreakable link that ties Dylan to the left in the popular consciousness. Consider: Dylan wrote no songs about the Vietnam war during the 1960s. Zero. The songs Dylan wrote that antiwar protesters later seized upon (from Blowin’ in the Wind on down) were written when the Vietnam war was little more than a twinkle in John F. Kennedy’s eye.

A close study of those songs would also reveal, as Dylan himself has stated in so many words, that they are not “antiwar” songs, as such. Just as with all his best work, they are based upon an almost unerring sense of human nature and a remarkable ability to ask questions that provoke revealing answers in the listener.

Consider also: Dylan never spoke out against the Vietnam war in the 1960s. Not once. It was not for want of being asked. At a 1965 press conference in San Francisco he was asked if he would be participating in an anti-war protest later that day. He replied, “No, I’ll be busy tonight.” The tape shows that he was all but laughing while he said it.

With America’s name at a low-water mark in the world and in the minds of the protesters at home, Dylan recorded Nashville Skyline, an album of sweet country music that can also be heard as love songs to a simpler America, and one that was certainly very far from Dylan’s front door.

Despite the heat he took, he backed down not one bit. In an interview in Sing Out! magazine in 1968, Dylan was pressed on how any artist could be silent in the face of the war. Dylan talked about a painter friend of his who was in favor of the war, and said that he “could comprehend him.” Pressed further on how he could possibly share any values with such a person, Dylan responded:
I’ve known him a long time, he’s a gentleman and I admire him . . . Anyway, how do you know that I’m not, as you say, for the war?
The topic was dropped there.


68 posted on 09/12/2012 12:14:33 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Cyber Liberty
In this case I don't think it is politically motivated. I think Don-o is a Dylan fanboy in defensive mode.

Sometimes our idols turn out to be blithering dolts.

69 posted on 09/12/2012 12:18:16 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: central_va
The South would be 100 times better off it it had won the Civil War.

Do you think it was ever an option? 9 million versus 22 million and only one side industrialized? Really? And the Black population of both sides ready to fight for the North? I didn't know that people still entertained the possibility of southern victory. Thanks for sharing this.

70 posted on 09/12/2012 12:18:26 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Geez, this Atlanta Black Star, whatever that is, knows just how to provoke the worst here!

So Dylan can’t sing, you say? That’s an original thought.
Dylan is a lib? I thought we decided a while ago that he was a Conservative?!


71 posted on 09/12/2012 12:19:52 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m waiting to hear the opinion of Zamphir of Pan-pipe fame.


72 posted on 09/12/2012 12:24:02 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The south might have given up slavery peacefully if the north hadn’t made it an un-Constitutional issue over state’s rights. Dylan is no liberal but he’s no historian either.


73 posted on 09/12/2012 12:26:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (dishonorabledisclosure.com - OPSEC (give them support))
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To: jboot; don-o

Shouldn’t you be pinging the people that you are attacking?


74 posted on 09/12/2012 12:26:52 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Liberals always squeal “Out of context!” whenever their own words get tossed back at them. This case is no different.

Read post 68 from the Weekly Standard, and then remember that the left has convinced almost all of America that Bob Dylan was a leader of the anti-Vietnam war movement, active, vocal, the song writer of the movement, etc, etc.

It is clear that the media definitely, constantly frames Dylan inaccurately, regardless of what we find out his thoughts are in this interview, when it comes out.

75 posted on 09/12/2012 12:33:09 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: Upstate NY Guy

Here is a link to a good article on Dylan, from a conservative perspective.

The article is from The Weekly Standard, but you have to read it from this blog, my original link was archived and hidden.

http://blogforcuba.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/09/what_dylan_is_n.html


76 posted on 09/12/2012 12:37:59 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Perhaps Zimmy is too much of a diplomat to tell us that it was slavery that gave us the ever resistant to change and improvement culture of Trayvon Martin, O.J. Simpson and Jesse Shakedown Jackson, among so many other similar cultural heroes of America.


77 posted on 09/12/2012 12:38:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: jwalsh07

Uneducated, too.


78 posted on 09/12/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

LOL


79 posted on 09/12/2012 12:41:01 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The fact that other countries figured out how to end slavery without a civil war does not work in our favor.


80 posted on 09/12/2012 12:41:31 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bob-dylan-strikes-back-at-critics-20120912


81 posted on 09/12/2012 12:42:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In 1775 slavery was the norm through out the world and had been since before written history. Our revolution was the beginning of the fight to end slavery which still continues today mainly in the islamic nations. Even today in this nation there are forms a slavery in prostitution and the illegal worker trade. The fight for freedom and liberty goes on.
82 posted on 09/12/2012 12:46:38 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again")
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To: ansel12; don-o
Saying that Don-O isn't a liberal but is probabaly just an upset Dylan fan isn't an attack in my book.

Your mileage may vary.

83 posted on 09/12/2012 12:47:40 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Susan Sarandon and Whippie Goldberg would never say it about themselves, but having heard and read him I’m sure Bob Dylan would say that too much attention has been paid to his opinions.


84 posted on 09/12/2012 12:48:35 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: jboot

Just ping the freeper that you are dissing behind their back, and let them decide how they interpret your attacks.


85 posted on 09/12/2012 12:57:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: muawiyah

Why do you feel the need to just make stuff up?

It was in 1542, not 1492, that Spain enacted a law abolishing colonial slavery, but was forced to weaken these laws by 1545. In 1811 Spain finally abolished slavery at home and in all colonies except Cuba,[15] Puerto Rico, and Santo Domingo-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

Slavery was not abolished in those colonies until 1866-

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_did_Spain_abolish_slavery


86 posted on 09/12/2012 12:57:29 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: ansel12
Is that an order, herr Kommandant?

Funny, we are both anonymous posters on a web forum. I didn't know there was a hierarchy.

87 posted on 09/12/2012 1:00:31 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: ansel12
Great link. Thanks. It confirms what I always suspected: Dylan was never part of the Left. Dave Von Ronk confirmed as much in a documentary about Dylan and he was with him in NY from the beginning.
88 posted on 09/12/2012 1:07:08 PM PDT by Upstate NY Guy
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand were presented with slaves by a portuguese adventurer. They rejected the slaves since the top dogs in Spain didn't allow slavery ~ so you'll probably need to check into the statutes applicable to Castile and Leon ~ so, nothing at all made up `~ you are simply going to the wrong sources. The History of the Conquest of Peru and Mexico discusses at some length the need to address laws custom tailored to life in America (which the court did in due course) and how to address Spanish notions of social welfare with their rejection of slavery ~ which is no small trick.

So, what was your point?

89 posted on 09/12/2012 1:07:58 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Shut up and sing Bobby.


90 posted on 09/12/2012 1:09:10 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dfwgator

You are absolutely right—and if we had, we probably would hsve invented a machine to do it for us.


91 posted on 09/12/2012 1:09:16 PM PDT by patriotsblood
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Bob who>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never could stand his voice so I don’t listen to anything he has to say. Who cares what a strung out druggy has to say! PS several ex-slaves have my last name but I don’t care about that either.


92 posted on 09/12/2012 1:09:32 PM PDT by Ab Alius Domitor ("In the end; the winner")
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To: ansel12

To his credit, he wrote probably the most staunchly pro-Israel song ever, “Neighborhood Bully”.


93 posted on 09/12/2012 1:11:37 PM PDT by dfwgator (I'm voting for Ryan and that other guy.)
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To: jboot

It is considered proper form on freerepublic to ping the freeper that you are attacking, or posting about.

If you are too cowardly to post directly to people that you disagree with, then maybe you can continue to slink around.


94 posted on 09/12/2012 1:17:38 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Aug. 27, 2012-Mitt Romney said his views on abortion are more lenient than the Republican Platform)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bob Dylan: Yesterday’s Tomatoes


95 posted on 09/12/2012 1:21:12 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: jboot; Merciful_Friend

Gee thanks. It’s such a load off my mind to be judged not a liberal. By you.

Anyone who wants a different perspective on Dylan might consider perusing www.rightwingbob.com


96 posted on 09/12/2012 1:27:15 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: ansel12

Ah, you are the Self-Appointed Thread Cop. You tell people what to do and they ignore you. It must be endlessly frustrating for you.


97 posted on 09/12/2012 1:27:49 PM PDT by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dylan needs to blow away in the wind....what a motard!


98 posted on 09/12/2012 1:29:03 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And he thinks it all goes back to the country’s founding.

At the time of the nation's founding slavery was accepted by both the Bible and Aristotle.The concept of natural rights was new and not accepted by many yet.

99 posted on 09/12/2012 1:31:41 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: ansel12; jboot

Thanks for the heads up, FRiend. And, well done on trying to share some truth about who Bob Dylan is. It’s a never ending amusement to see Freepers regurgitating the libspin.


100 posted on 09/12/2012 1:38:36 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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