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My View of Middle East from my experiences in the 70's
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Posted on 09/14/2012 2:01:04 PM PDT by YihYthink

As a person that has spent three years in an out of Arab countries (1970's) that is the center of the present unrest I can say a few things with certainty.


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As a person that has spent three years in an out of Arab countries (1970's) that is the center of the present unrest I can say a few things with certainty. Without pointing political fingers you are seeing a very sophisticated radicalization process going on this process accomplishes two important objectives.

First it helps radicalize local populations into believing that the West is working against them plus it puts enormous pressure on local populations to participate or be subject to scrutiny from fellow Muslims. Conformity is the rule within leadership of the Islamic Facist culture.

Second it puts pressure on the West to shut down any freedom of speech that a government might construe as anti-Islamic in nature. I'm not saying Western countries will abide by this yet the temptation of appeasement will be there. Unfortunately we are seeing the rise of Islamic fascism that is extremely well structured and is not random. Anyone that tells you this is not a war is fooling themselves and you that's my view.

1 posted on 09/14/2012 2:01:07 PM PDT by YihYthink
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To: YihYthink

It’s time to deploy the massive fuel/air bombs.


2 posted on 09/14/2012 2:05:45 PM PDT by exnavy (The time is upon us, fish or cut bait, may God guide your heart.)
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To: YihYthink
I am Married to a Palestinian girl and I can tell you the situation can be summed up by this:

Groups who want power (The Brotherhood or PLO) whip up the population into a frenzy, they kick out their current rulers and replace them with the Brotherhood/Taliban/whoever and the population is still no better than they were.

Rinse, repeat, bloodbath etc etc

3 posted on 09/14/2012 2:07:49 PM PDT by KC_Lion ( Wherever I find myself standing, I forever stand with Israel.)
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To: YihYthink

I’m reading the Bonhoeffer biography right now and this sounds eerily similar to the Nazis...only on a much BIGGER scale. Imagine that...


4 posted on 09/14/2012 2:12:31 PM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: YihYthink
"Unfortunately we are seeing the rise of Islamic fascism that is extremely well structured and is not random."

And Obama, Hitlary, et al, are aiding and abetting.

5 posted on 09/14/2012 2:18:40 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: exnavy

Quarantine will be the new Cold War strategy.


6 posted on 09/14/2012 2:19:39 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: YihYthink

Drill here, drill now.


7 posted on 09/14/2012 2:24:07 PM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: woweeitsme

With the exception that during WWII we identified nazis as enemies and did not allow them to immigrate.

Today Congress gives this bloodthirsty ‘religion’ 1st Amendment protection and declares them a ROP while Christians in muslim countries have no rights at all.

Where has our logic and common sense gone?


8 posted on 09/14/2012 2:30:19 PM PDT by 353FMG (The US Constitution is only as effective as those who enforce it.)
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To: YihYthink
I've been reading recently histories of the British monarchies with Protestants burning Catholics then Catholics burning Protestants. It took over a hundred years to work through that in England and Europe to evolve into secular wars between nations. And then came the murderous ideologies of Fascism and Communism.

Without America's intervention in WWII, Europe today would likely be divided between the Nazis and the Communists.

My conclusion is what we're seeing in the Middle East is the norm, not the exception, for the human species.
9 posted on 09/14/2012 2:30:19 PM PDT by kenavi (Obama doesn't hate private equity. He wants to be it with our money.)
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To: exnavy

Yeah, about 11 years ago.


10 posted on 09/14/2012 2:34:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Means nothing if they can soar over the fence.


11 posted on 09/14/2012 2:35:24 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: woweeitsme

The muslims *are* the nazis. Hassan al Banna. And before.


12 posted on 09/14/2012 2:55:37 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: YihYthink
"Anyone that tells you this is not a war is fooling themselves and you that's my view."

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13 posted on 09/14/2012 2:59:05 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: exnavy

If you’re dropping FAE, it doesn’t necessarily have to be massive (if you’re talking physical size). The regulation 2,000 pounder works more than well.


14 posted on 09/14/2012 3:14:36 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: exnavy

And, yes.........FAE is ‘nice’.


15 posted on 09/14/2012 3:16:51 PM PDT by jmax (Full mag inserted, round in chamber, hammer is back...safety is OFF.)
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To: YihYthink

Thanks for this insightful thread.

You wrote: “ - - - puts enormous pressure on local populations to participate or be subject to scrutiny from fellow Muslims.”

That got me to thinking that this would be a huge impediment to individual achievement in business, and selection of representatives for a Republic style of government. If so, then the USA Model would not be easily accepted in the Middle East.

Your comments?


16 posted on 09/14/2012 3:32:40 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

Your absolutely right, think of it as religious statism, very hierarchical in nature one theme that I heard often when I was working in those countries was....... life is a test from God, you should not complain, be faithful and endure. God’s rewards comes in the afterlife for those who pass the test.

That really does not fit the Western model and for many good Muslims they want to be left alone we live in difficult times.

Islamic fascists see Western culture destroying a great religion decaying it from within, thus the war on the West.


17 posted on 09/14/2012 3:57:04 PM PDT by YihYthink (Freedom is never Free)
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To: YihYthink
Islamic fascists see Western culture destroying a great religion decaying it from within, thus the war on the West.

Not hard to understand. They see us breaking what they view as God's laws, and reaping great wealth as a result. Their religion is as incompatible with the western world as Nazism and imperial Japan were. It's best we fight the world war early rather than wait 50 years until they might have enough weapons to win it or cause us far more damage and casualties in the process.

18 posted on 09/14/2012 4:03:00 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: YihYthink

Newt just said the same thing about freedom of speech.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2931209/posts

It is no accident that the embassy in Cairo issued a groveling statement, apologizing to the haters for having inconvenienced them with American freedom of speech.

The embassy was simply following Clinton’s lead, set months earlier in her meetings with the Organization of Islamic Cooperation.

The OIC has a long- term campaign to manipulate the U.S. government into defining any criticism or improper reference to Islam as unacceptable.

No one should be confused by this. As Andy McCarthy wrote yesterday, the Islamist definition of heresy would destroy American free speech.


19 posted on 09/14/2012 4:06:13 PM PDT by JediJones (KARL ROVE: "And remember, this year, no one is seriously talking about ending abortion.")
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To: JediJones

And don’t forget Clinton’s ME girlfriend, whose family are big in the Muslim Brotherhood.


20 posted on 09/14/2012 5:22:01 PM PDT by expat2
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To: YihYthink; woweeitsme; mass55th; 353FMG; kenavi; Hardraade; JediJones

Sadly, unless we fight this war RIGHT NOW before they get too many more nukes and take out Pakistan FIRST, we lose.

Germany was one small central European land locked country with one language spoken nowhere else and a population of less than 70 million most of whom were NOT loyal to the Nazi party.

Islam is 1.5 billion people, which is 20% of the entire EARTH and growing every day that we flush our offspring down the drain with abortion, and has more than one million followers occupying every nation on the Earth.

When it comes, and it IS COMING, it will be short, brutal and we WILL LOSE.

And I believe, since the Bible says NOTHING about America, we have ALREADY LOST and are too stupid to have even noticed. We ARE the chicken with its head cut off and it is ONLY a matter of time... a few years... a few months.... at best.


21 posted on 09/15/2012 3:57:47 AM PDT by Waywardson (If you fear Obama..... vote for Romney. If you fear God... DON'T !)
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To: Waywardson

If the chips are down in that manner, biowar will probably pop up, treaties or no treaties. A designer plague wiping out all sauds, for example, is child’s play. There are several other interesting points, some of which are not widely known and just coming into focus.

And worse and less discriminating things are already waiting in the wings.


22 posted on 09/15/2012 4:55:28 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: Waywardson

“Sadly, unless we fight this war RIGHT NOW before they get too many more nukes and take out Pakistan FIRST, we lose.

I’m not a pessimist, first they have the feeling that they are losing to Western influence.

Second, in actual fact they are very fractured and often fight among themselves. They may make alliances with the basically distrust each other and this is a big weakness.

One reason you see this growth in radicalism is a direct result of the present administration withdrawing from the regions. Where there is a vacuum something will fill it.

We change who is running this country in the next election it is the first step towards minimizing radical Islam. There is no easy solution and cannot be done totally with military might so I see it is a long protracted war.

Lastly, most people want to be left alone that’s true over there. Our job is to foster a strong middle-class in many of these third world countries and you’ll see a lessening of tension and the grip of these radicals over time. That of course is no easy task and could go into the next century.

Pessimism is out for me but time will tell.


23 posted on 09/15/2012 8:39:34 AM PDT by YihYthink (Freedom is never Free)
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To: YihYthink

Islam is extremely brittle. Remove the core - like the kaaba and Mecca - and I suspect it will just shatter.


24 posted on 09/15/2012 10:45:56 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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