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Zogby: Romney Running Worse Than McCain in 08
Newsmax ^ | September 14, 2012 | David A. Patten

Posted on 09/14/2012 9:37:58 PM PDT by Steelfish

Zogby: Romney Running Worse Than McCain in ‘08 13 Sep 2012 David A. Patten

President Barack Obama received a surprisingly strong bounce after the Democratic National Convention, and now leads GOP challenger Mitt Romney by nearly 6 points according to a new JZ Analytics poll.

The national poll of likely voters shows Obama leading 47.7 percent to 42 percent, and indicates that Romney is not polling well enough among some conservative demographic groups: NASCAR fans, evangelicals, and the so-called “Walmart voters.”

According to JZ Analytics pollster John Zogby, Romney is in a somewhat worse position than GOP nominee Sen. John McCain was at this point in the 2008 campaign.

“Slightly worse, yes,” Zogby says. “But it’s also fair to say that he’s running against an incumbent who is not posting the greatest numbers in the world.”

Some conservative pundits contend Romney should have a substantial lead in light of the nation’s ongoing economic doldrums under Obama.

“That’s the question: Why isn’t Romney leading by 10 [points]?” Zogby says. “We can speculate on the answers, but that’s the right question.”

Zogby says Romney is not running as well as he should among certain voter segments. Romney leads Obama 53 to 37 percent among voters 65 and older, for example. But Zogby says “he’s going to have to do better” to win.

In a possible indication that Romney has yet to seal the deal with the GOP base, Zogby reports lackluster poll numbers among NASCAR voters, evangelicals, and frequent Walmart patrons -- groups that tend to be reliably conservative.

Romney leads Obama 48.4 to 44.6 percent among voters who shop weekly at Walmart. He narrowly trails Obama among self-identified NASCAR fans, 44 percent to 43 percent.

“That’s a number you would never expect to see,” comments Zogby.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


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1 posted on 09/14/2012 9:38:01 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

Who is Zogby?


2 posted on 09/14/2012 9:41:06 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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To: Steelfish
He narrowly trails Obama among self-identified NASCAR fans, 44 percent to 43 percent. Huh?
3 posted on 09/14/2012 9:42:08 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Steelfish

ZOGBY hasn’t been close in awhile.


4 posted on 09/14/2012 9:42:58 PM PDT by Blacksheep (There are no coincidences......)
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To: Steelfish

ZOGBY hasn’t been close in awhile.


5 posted on 09/14/2012 9:43:03 PM PDT by Blacksheep (There are no coincidences......)
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To: Steelfish

ZOGBY hasn’t been close in awhile.


6 posted on 09/14/2012 9:43:10 PM PDT by Blacksheep (There are no coincidences......)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
I think he used to be a Pollster Rush liked until 9-11-01

Thn his Muslim ties took over

7 posted on 09/14/2012 9:43:48 PM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: VanDeKoik

its going to hinge on voter turn out in battle ground states..some are messed up with the Mormon thing and I bet dont vote.


8 posted on 09/14/2012 9:43:56 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Steelfish

"... trails Obama among self-identified NASCAR fans, 44 percent to 43 percent.

... and we are supposed to believe this garbage???

9 posted on 09/14/2012 9:44:32 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: Blacksheep

You probably need to say it again.


10 posted on 09/14/2012 9:44:42 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Blacksheep

I agree.


11 posted on 09/14/2012 9:45:03 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: VanDeKoik

You know Nate Silver, right? And how he has an untouchable poll guru status and we shouldn’t even question his predictions? And how he isn’t at all biased, despite allegations from the right?

Well, Zogby was the Nate Silver of 2004. _WAS_.


12 posted on 09/14/2012 9:45:05 PM PDT by Cruising For Freedom
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To: Blacksheep

I disagree.


13 posted on 09/14/2012 9:45:29 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Steelfish

Zogby is still doing “polling” or is this just a driveby DNC “poll”?


14 posted on 09/14/2012 9:45:38 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: scooby321
You are correct. Is he a so called christian Arab? A lot who are are completely brainwashed not just intimidated and nosily defend anything a Muslim state does. Zogby became a demorat auxiliary after the Iraq invasion and was always finding poll numbers worse on Bush and the GOP than anyone else. From now until November most polls released for general consumption are cooked to support the rats.
15 posted on 09/14/2012 9:47:04 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: Steelfish

Pure BS. Anyone other then Zogby really think Obama is going to do better in turn out now then he was in 2008?


16 posted on 09/14/2012 9:47:48 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Steelfish

This week (post-DNC) has been the highwater mark of O’s campaign. Four years ago (post-RNC) this was the highwater mark of McCain’s.

Less here than meets the eye.


17 posted on 09/14/2012 9:48:37 PM PDT by Burma Jones
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

I’m not buying that either.


18 posted on 09/14/2012 9:48:58 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: LibFreeUSA

What are these people smoking? Whatever it is, I want some. I’m sorry—only a completely braindead, insane, clueless, emotionally disturbed, and wholly sick and dysfunctional person would vote for Obama.


19 posted on 09/14/2012 9:51:11 PM PDT by huckfillary (qual tyo ta)
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To: Steelfish
Hey Mitt. Make believe that Obama's name is Newt or Rick.

Grow a pair.

20 posted on 09/14/2012 9:52:31 PM PDT by dancusa (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. H.L Mencken)
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To: Steelfish

Sorry there is no way in the real world that obama out polls Romney with NASCAR folks - no way.


21 posted on 09/14/2012 9:52:50 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: VanDeKoik

Read the article. It says Romney is running “slightly” behind McCain with certain voters.

“Slightly worse, yes,” Zogby says. “But it’s also fair to say that he’s running against an incumbent who is not posting the greatest numbers in the world.”


22 posted on 09/14/2012 9:55:14 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: dalebert

The Muslim thing trumps the Mormon thing.


23 posted on 09/14/2012 9:56:11 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: LibFreeUSA

What a joke.The people who go to the races know for a fact that the bamster is killing the economy and making it harder for people to attend races(Dont have the extra cash) not to mention the local short tracks that are taking it in the shorts(some have closed down).


24 posted on 09/14/2012 9:57:07 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: LibFreeUSA

What a joke.The people who go to the races know for a fact that the bamster is killing the economy and making it harder for people to attend races(Dont have the extra cash) not to mention the local short tracks that are taking it in the shorts(some have closed down).


25 posted on 09/14/2012 9:57:22 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: robowombat

Zogby is from Utica and Utica has or had a lot of Christian Lebanese there....I imagine he’s a Christian....


26 posted on 09/14/2012 9:59:03 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry
all I can say is that the pollsters seem to be coordinating their polls so it looks good for bammey....but I don't buy it really...

I think its push/polls and specially designed polls and put out to actually influence the election.....

if nothing else, they want to suppress the vote because there's a lot of big senatorial races out there too...

stay the course...donate if you can ...volunteer if you can...

27 posted on 09/14/2012 10:02:04 PM PDT by cherry
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To: dancusa

“Grow a pair, Mitt”

This is what Laura Ingraham has been pounding for days.

Mitt went on with Kelly Ripa today and said he likes to sleep naked and that Obama is a nice guy.

I can’t take it.


28 posted on 09/14/2012 10:02:17 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (R and R: Please don't Barney Fife us and load your political revolver with only one bullet. (DO))
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To: dalebert

Mormon vs. Muslim. Tough call because most Americans want to be beheaded or stoned to death. /s


29 posted on 09/14/2012 10:06:27 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: LibFreeUSA
I don't even like NASCAR but I know that's total BS!

It's like saying Romney leads with Black Transsexual Muslim jihadists.

30 posted on 09/14/2012 10:12:07 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: VanDeKoik

“Who is Zogby”?

A democrat pollster of Arab heritage.


31 posted on 09/14/2012 10:12:55 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: Steelfish
I'd say the right headline is:

0bama running behind Carter at this point


32 posted on 09/14/2012 10:13:19 PM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: VanDeKoik

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John Zogby is left wing pollster and conducts push-polls

Is radical Muslim brother James Zogby works for CAIR

- That should cover it

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33 posted on 09/14/2012 10:27:44 PM PDT by devolve (----- ------- ------------GO_AHEAD---MAKE_MY_SPAGHETTI-------- ----------------------------)
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To: Steelfish

Zogby is a Muslim CATHOLIC

Muslim my ass..please freepers do try to keep up.

Arab defender to some degree and Democrat leaning..yes

But Jihadi supporter..no..the same bunch has run his tribe out of Lebanon power...in gory fashion I might add for those here to young to recall the Lebanese Civil War which Hezbollah won

problem with polls is they are using 2008 turnout samplings

we shall see...I hope not


34 posted on 09/14/2012 10:28:01 PM PDT by wardaddy (this is a perfect window for Netanyahu to bomb Iran..I hereby give my go ahead..thanks Muzzie idiots)
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To: Steelfish

Sorry Zoggy. I have a friend, early 70s, who NEVER, EVER goes to the theater to see a movie. He doesn’t even buy DVDs. He just sent me an email. He and his wife went to see “2016” today and recommended that everyone on his email list go see it. Ain’t “lookin’ good” for your boy Barry.


35 posted on 09/14/2012 10:31:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The United States of America apologizing to knuckledragging, cavedwelling Neandethals. Whodda thunk!)
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To: cherry
"all I can say is that the pollsters seem to be coordinating their polls so it looks good for bammey."

Yeah. Its a conspiracy of the vast majority of the polls rather than an actual reflection of reality. - rolls eyes - Perhaps if Romney quit taking about sleeping in the buff and explain in detail how he will balance the budget there'd be a change.

36 posted on 09/14/2012 10:32:02 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Steelfish
NASCAR fans, evangelicals, and the so-called “Walmart voters.”

Is this like the dog fight fan, sluts and the "EBT voters in the Democrat party"?

37 posted on 09/14/2012 10:37:29 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Take two Aspirin and call me in November - Obama for Hindmost.)
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To: VanDeKoik

an arab american who long ago went around the bend and has become a dim hack


38 posted on 09/14/2012 10:44:32 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Steelfish

Yeah Romney doing worse than McCain riiiight. That’s why McCain lost NC and IN and Romney already has those two pretty much sewn up, not to mention several more states McCain coughed up to Obama.


39 posted on 09/14/2012 10:48:01 PM PDT by over3Owithabrain
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To: LS

Zogby ping


40 posted on 09/14/2012 10:50:42 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (The pundits have forgotten the 2010 election.)
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To: Steelfish
re: Romney Running Worse Than McCain in ‘08

McCain actually “ran” in ‘08? I don't remember that at all. I do remember him constantly trying to make nice with the Democrats. Fired any staff who attempted to tell the truth about Obama. He essentially went into battle unarmed, except for Sarah Palin. Romney is not hitting back as hard as I would like, but he is 200% more in fight mode than McCain ever was (unless he was attacking his own party, of course and enjoying his “maverick” nickname). So, I really don't believe that McCain did better at this stage of the game than Romney. Romney is actually trying to win whereas McCain was not.

41 posted on 09/14/2012 10:52:13 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: svcw; Steelfish
This is what I remember of Zogby pushing his very special sauce:

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"Zogby debunked. 2004 Record Worst Ever

Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 10:54:36 AM by soccer_linux_mozilla

Zogby debunked. 2004 Record Worst Ever

Here are the Zogby vs. real numbers. Done. De-mythed. 2000 was a fluke. He has no pulse on the nation.

Arizona Zogby had it +6% for Bush Final +11% for Bush

Arkansas Zogby had it +3% for Bush Final +9% for Bush

Colorado Zogby had it too close to call Final +7% for Bush

Florida Zogby had it +.1% for Kerry and trending Kerry Final +5% for Bush

Iowa Zogby had it +5% for Kerry Final still TBD

Michigan Zogby had it +6% for Kerry Final Result +3% for Kerry

Minnesota Zogby had it +6% for Kerry Final Result +3% for Kerry

Missouri Zogby had it +3% for Bush Final Result +8% for Bush

Nevada Zogby had it too close to call Final +3% for Bush

New Hampshire Zogby had it +5% for Kerry Final Result +1% for Kerry

New Mexico Zogby had it +3% for Kerry Final - still TBD

North Carolina Zogby had it +3% for Bush Final +13% for Bush

Oregon Zogby had it +10% for Kerry Final Result +5% for Kerry

Ohio Zogby had it +2% for Bush but trending Kerry Final TBD

Pennsylvania Zogby had it trending Kerry Final Result +3% for Kerry Tennessee Zogby had it +4% for Bush Final +14% for Bush

Virginia Zogby had it slight edge for Bush Final +8% for Bush

Washington Zogby had it +10% for Kerry Final Result +7% for Kerry

West Virginia Zogby had it +4% for Bush Final +14% for Bush

Wisconsin Zogby had it +6% for Kerry Final Result +1% for Kerry

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1270430/posts

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And

Zogby blew it

Our Call

Zogby International's 2004 Predictions

(as of Nov. 2, 2004 5:00pm EST)

2004 Presidential Election

Electoral Votes:

Bush

213

Kerry

311

... .

ZOGBY & OTHER BIG LOSERS!!!-- YOU ARE SO YESTERDAY, PAL!!!

Wednesday, November 03, 2004 2:48:26 AM · by CWW · 29 replies · 189+ view

Pollster (Zogby) picks Kerry - but Bush leads at 2pm (for the archives!)

Wednesday, November 03, 2004 5:50:23 AM · by ambrose · 16 replies · 245+ views
nzcity ^ | 11/3


42 posted on 09/14/2012 10:59:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

Oh boy! I remember they were way off but....lol
Bookmarked for future reference on Zogby’s polls.


43 posted on 09/14/2012 11:05:58 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: Steelfish

MSM’s become even more blatantly biased in favor of Obama and Democratic Party. Conservatives havn’t realised how serious a problem this is.


44 posted on 09/14/2012 11:56:44 PM PDT by granada
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To: Burma Jones

Correct. This is when McCain was still enjoying his post-Palin-pick bounce.

That evaporated by September 17, thanks to the MSM hit job, and Obama never looked back.

Romney has worse numbers than McCain had on this date, but McCain’s campaign was about to collapse. This time, it’s Obama’s bounce that’s starting to fade.


45 posted on 09/15/2012 12:11:25 AM PDT by nkronos
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To: VanDeKoik

“Who is Zogby?”

He’s a confirmed Democrap.


46 posted on 09/15/2012 12:35:07 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Steelfish

Ignore the polls. There’s only one that matters and that’s not until November.


47 posted on 09/15/2012 1:48:06 AM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Steelfish

Wishful thinking, Mr. Muslim frontman.


48 posted on 09/15/2012 2:44:10 AM PDT by Ann Archy ( ABORTION...the HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Steelfish

If memory serves, Zogby’s brother is tied into CAIR or some spinoff islamic perpetually offended group. Since then the pollster guy has had a hard time finding work or publicity.


49 posted on 09/15/2012 4:16:30 AM PDT by Repulican Donkey
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To: Steelfish

Zogby is a pollster who in the past has refused to release his definition and methodology to determine what is meant by “likely voter”.

Rasmussen, who uses a huge, (15000 interviewed) purely self-identification database, allows us to guess what other pollsters are doing.

With these numbers being close to those of NBC, Zogby has be over-sampling democrats in his likely voters methodology.


50 posted on 09/15/2012 4:25:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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