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I just got a phone call from the Obama campaign
wordpress ^ | September 20, 2012 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 09/20/2012 8:03:52 PM PDT by grundle

I just got a phone call from the Obama campaign

It’s the evening of September 20, 2012. I’m sitting here typing now – trying to get this down as accurately as I can remember. The following is just a rough version based on my memory – I did not record the call, so these are not the exact words.

Phone: Ring!

Me: Hello?

Her: Is this Daniel (—)?

Me: Yes.

Her: My name is (—). I’m calling from the Obama campaign right here in Squirrel Hill.

Me: Really? That’s where I live. Where are you?

Her: We’re right across from (—).

Me: I know where that is. I’m just a few blocks away.

Her: I’m hoping that you’ll vote for the President in the upcoming election.

Me: Actually, I’m planning to vote for someone who isn’t the President – Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate. Have you heard of him?

Her: No.

Me: Please tell me why I should vote for your candidate.

Her: Because I feel deep inside that he’s the best person for the job.

Me: I’m not interested in feelings. I’m interested in Obama’s positions on the issues. What are some of his policies that you agree with?

Her: Health care reform.

Me: Obama gave waivers to many of the very same unions that helped him to get his health care reform passed. These unions asked for exemptions from some of the very same provisions of health care reform that they want everyone else to be forced into.

Her: That’s your opinion.

Me: No – it’s not my “opinion.” It’s a fact. It’s a fact – not my “opinion” – that many of the unions that helped to pass Obama’s health care reform got exemptions from some of the more expensive parts of it. That is not my “opinion” – it’s a fact.

Her: Just because you say so doesn’t mean it’s true.

Me: Go to google and search for “Dan from Squirrel Hill” – that my blog. I have a list of 95 reasons not to vote for Obama. It’s not at the top of my blog, but if you scroll down a bit, it’s there. And I cite sources for everything. I cite sources which show that many of the unions that helped to pass Obama’s health care reform got waivers which exempt them from the very same things that they expect everyone else to follow.

Her: Just because something is on the internet doesn’t mean it’s true.

Me: That’s true – but these particular sources are legitimate. Speaking of health care, Obama promised that he would stop the federal raids on medical marijuana in states where it’s legal. But he broke his promise – the raids are still going on. There are people who are dying of AIDS and cancer – and people with multiple sclerosis and glaucoma – who have prescriptions for medical marijuana in states where it’s legal – and Obama is sending in his armed agents to prevent them from taking their medicine. People are dying from AIDS and cancer – and Obama is stopping them from taking their medicine.

Her: That’s what you say.

Me: It’s not just me who says that. Rolling Stone magazine – a very left wing magazine – said that Obama’s war on medical marijuana is worse than Bush’s. Mother Jones magazine – which is also far left – has also criticized Obama for this. So has NPR. There are all sources that liberals love. Have you heard of Rolling Stone magazine?

Her: Yes.

Me: Have you heard of Mother Jones magazine?

Her: Yes.

Me: Have you heard of NPR?

Her: Yes.

Me: Well, I cited all of those sources on my bog. The links are right there. You can read from those websites about Obama’s war against medical marijuana. I cited examples of dozens of raids, all with sources. You don’t have to take my word for it – you can look it up for yourself – and I cited legitimate sources for everything. Obama carried out a huge number of raids against medical marijuana in states where it’s legal.

Her: That’s your opinion.

Me: It’s not my “opinion” – it’s a fact. It’s a fact – not an “opinion” – that Obama has carried out huge numbers of raids on medical marijuana in states where it’s legal. He made a campaign promise to end the raids, and he broke that promise.

Her: In your opinion.

Me: No – it’s not my “opinion” – it’s a fact. Did you know that Obama supports indefinite detention?

Her: That’s your opinion.

Me: No, it’s not my “opinion” – it’s a fact. Obama also supports unwarranted wiretapping.

Her: In your opinion.

Me: No, not “in my opinion.” It’s a fact, and I cited sources for it. He also signed a renewal of the Patriot Act.

Her: That’s your opinion too.

Me: No, it’s not my “opinion.” It’s a fact – not my “opinion” – that Obama signed a renewal of the Patriot Act. I cited sources for it.

Her: Those sources could be wrong. Just because something is on the internet doesn’t mean it’s true.

Me: It’s a matter of public record. All laws signed by the President are a matter of public record. You don’t have to take my word for it – it’s a matter of public record that Obama signed a renewal of the Patriot Act.

Her: In your opinion.

Me: Remember that $700 billion corporate welfare bill that President Bush signed, which gave bailouts to the Wall St. criminals who caused the financial crisis?

Her: Yes.

Me: When Obama was a Senator, he voted for that.

Her: In your opinion.

Me: No – it’s not my “opinion.” It’s a fact – not my “opinion” – that Senator Obama voted for the $700 billion TARP bailout. What do you think of Guantanamo Bay?

Her: I think it’s terrible.

Me: Did you know that Obama promised to shut it down, and that he broke that promise?

Her: I think that Obama made a promise that sounded good at the time, but once he was in office, he realized that it was a bad promise.

Me: Liberals hated Bush for his actions regarding Guantanamo Bay – why don’t they hate Obama for the same thing?

Her: I think Obama had some tough decisions to make.

Me: Liberals hated Bush for his support of indefinite detention, unwarranted wiretapping, the Patriot Act, the war against medical marijuana, and the $700 billion TARP bailout. Why don’t liberals hate Obama for supporting those exact same things?

Her: It’s only your opinion that Obama supports those things.

Me: No, it’s not my “opinion.” It is a fact – not my “opinion” – that Obama supports those things. I cite sources for all of those things on my blog.

Her: Just because you say so doesn’t mean it’s true.

Me: You don’t have to take my word for it. I cited sources. I cited many left wing sources that supported Obama four years ago, which are now being very critical of him. You can click on the links and read the sources yourself.

Her: Just because something is on the internet doesn’t mean it’s true.

Me: He’s the President. Everything he does is part of the public record. Every bill he signs as President, and every bill he voted for as Senator, is part of the public record. You can look it up for yourself.

Her: That’s your opinion.

Me: These things aren’t my “opinion” – they are facts. The policies that Obama supports are a matter of public record.

Her: In your opinion.

Me: Obama has raised more money from Wall St. than any other candidate.

Her: That’s your opinion too.

Me: No – that’s a fact. It’s not my opinion. Obama has fundraisers where the rich people on Wall St. donate $35,800 per person – the maximum legal amount. That’s $35,800 for one person getting one plate at one dinner – and he has many of these events. This is a fact. Obama really does have these huge fundraisers, and the rich people on Wall St. really do donate all that money to him.

Her: That’s just your opinion.

Me: No – it’s not “just my opinion.” It’s a fact – Obama really does raise all that money from the rich people on Wall St.

Her: In your opinion.

Me: Do you know who Jill Stein is?

Her: No.

Me: She’s the Green Party candidate. She disagrees with Obama on these issues. Please give me a reason to vote for Obama.

Her: Because he needs time to continue with the things that he’s been doing for the past four years.

Me: Really? You mean like his support of indefinite detention, unwarranted wiretapping, the Patriot Act, the bailouts for the corporate criminals who caused the financial crises, and the war against medical marijuana?

Her: That’s just your opinion.

Me: No – it is not my “opinion.” Obama supports all of those things – it’s a matter of public record.

Her: I have great trouble believing you.

Me: You don’t have to believe me. You can look these things up yourself. Obama really does support each and every one of those things. I cited sources on my blog. If you don’t trust Rolling Stone magazine, Mother Jones magazine, NPR, and my other other sources, you can look all of these things up for yourself, in whatever sources you want.

Her: I have great difficulty believing that Obama supports those things.

Me: Please tell me something about Obama that would appeal to my libertarian beliefs.

Her: I just feel that he’s the best person for the job.

Me: In the beginning of this call, you also said you supported Obama based on your “feelings.” Well, I judge candidates based on facts. This is where you and I differ – I prefer to go by facts – whereas you prefer to go by feelings. Please give me one reason why I should vote for Obama, based on the facts.

Her: I have to be going now.

Me: OK. Goodbye.

Her: Goodbye.



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1 posted on 09/20/2012 8:04:01 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

That’s all well and good, but the fact is that a vote for Gary Johnson is NOT a vote AGAINST Obama.


2 posted on 09/20/2012 8:07:03 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: grundle

Should have brought up the economic mess Obama is going to “inherit” from himself if he gets reelected.


3 posted on 09/20/2012 8:10:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Proud to be a 53 percenter American.)
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To: grundle
Good thing that wasn't a robocall. If nobody picks up, they mark the occupant down as an Obama voter by default.
4 posted on 09/20/2012 8:11:04 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: jocon307

Funny that people get po’d about all the lying the O admin does and then right here on FR people keep saying that a vote for someone other than Obama is really a vote for him. Unless you can show how the vote for anyone else gets counted in the Obama tally, actually adding to his overall total, please stop embarrassing yourself and the rest of the thinking people here.


5 posted on 09/20/2012 8:14:14 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle

I have difficulty believing this person actually stayed on the phone with you for this whole conversation. His idiot volunteers usually hang up as soon as they hear someone disagree with their feelings. And that’s a FACT!!!!


6 posted on 09/20/2012 8:15:44 PM PDT by Nitehawk0325 (ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, THE SIMPLEST SOLUTION IS THE BEST.)
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To: jocon307
That’s all well and good, but the fact is that a vote for Gary Johnson is NOT a vote AGAINST Obama.

In the context of this conversation, it really doesn't matter. It allows the Obama caller to have to defend his positions and actions in a way that doesn't permit attacking Romney.

It's absolutely brilliant, imho. Well done and executed!

The next step should be to enter that dialogue into whatever program was used to develop this exchange about Quantitative Easing and post it on youtube.
7 posted on 09/20/2012 8:17:09 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Norm Lenhart

Did you vote for Perot? How did that work out?

This is going to be close and Romney needs every anti-obama vote he can get to get Team Kenya out of the White House.


8 posted on 09/20/2012 8:18:02 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: grundle

Libertarians are great when it comes to financial issues. They go off the deep end on national security and social issues. Gary Johnson said Iran is not any serious threat:

Johnson also says Iran’s nuclear program isn’t a threat to the United States because the principle of “mutually assured destruction.”

Obviously, this man has no clue about the philosophy of radical Islam and their belief system.


9 posted on 09/20/2012 8:18:21 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: grundle

Respectfully, Is there any way Dan from Squirrel Hill can be convinced not to vote for Obama by voting for Gary Johnson?


10 posted on 09/20/2012 8:19:12 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: grundle
  Well! I guess she had to be going. :)

  Anyway - excellent call - and I'm also voting for Gary Johnson.
11 posted on 09/20/2012 8:20:10 PM PDT by Maurice Tift (You can't stop the signal, Mal. You can never stop the signal.)
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To: grundle
When a leftist denies facts you make no progress reciting facts. Try asking 'what if' questions. E.G., what if Zero granted unions health care wavers? What would you think him then?

12 posted on 09/20/2012 8:20:22 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: lodi90

No and that’s not the point.

A vote for anyone is a vote FOR that person. Period.

THAT is the point and spouting BS about some fantasy that Obama magically gets those votes makes the spouter look and sound like a liberal whether he is or not.

Accept that some will not vote Romney whether you approve or not. Accept that a vote for whoever is a vote for that person. Because you don’t have a choice. Reality cares nothing for your wants.


13 posted on 09/20/2012 8:21:07 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jocon307

“That’s all well and good, but the fact is that a vote for Gary Johnson is NOT a vote AGAINST Obama.”

That’s your opinion.../s

Just to ensure, I understand your statement is...a fact.


14 posted on 09/20/2012 8:22:49 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: tanknetter
I like it, too. If he had said he is voting for Romney, the caller would have hung up sooner. This Gary Johnson bit gave the caller "HOPE" to "CHANGE" and the hook was set.

It sounded like the caller was perplexed towards the end. Maybe, the technique might have her thinking more on her own. Good job.

15 posted on 09/20/2012 8:23:41 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: I see my hands

I also like keeping them on the line a long time. The Obama lemming would have made 2 or 3 more calls if not for this call.


16 posted on 09/20/2012 8:25:23 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: Norm Lenhart
"Unless you can show how the vote for anyone else gets counted in the Obama tally.."

Are you really that slow, Obama boy, or are you just pretending to be as a rhetorical device?


17 posted on 09/20/2012 8:25:58 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: grundle

Just because you posted this on FR doesn’t mean it’s true...


18 posted on 09/20/2012 8:26:41 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1339 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: grundle

its great when liberals call on you for something then you turn the conversation around and they backpedal...

last year i was cutting my lawn and this hippy chick walks onto my property- she said she was from some NY environmental group and asked me if i would sign a petition to get the US off of fossil fuels (while i was sitting on my gasoline chugging lawn tractor none-the-less)...

i asked her what alternatives was she offering...”renewables!!”...i asked her what type of renewables could i put in my cars gas tank to get me to work on Monday to pay for all the gov’t programs for the poor??

“uh- well we have nothing yet”....

i then asked about nuclear energy...”no- no nuclear, just renewables like wind!!”...i asked if she was going to put one of those wind things, the one that kills all the birds, in her parents yard...”well, we don’t have a wind farm yet”...

i then reminded her that i heard this pathetic argument 30 years earlier when the environuts were screaming to stop nuclear energy and as a result America was behind nations like France who have so much nuclear power they export it- never mind states like Vermont....

she realized she was defeated and her only response was “you watch Fox news don’t you?”...i told her i sure as hell don’t watch MSNBC....


19 posted on 09/20/2012 8:27:11 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Nitehawk0325

Her: That’s just your opinion.


20 posted on 09/20/2012 8:28:01 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: grundle

Her: “I think Obama is the best person for the job.”

Me: “That’s your opinion.” Click


21 posted on 09/20/2012 8:28:42 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: grundle

Wish you had told her he also kills U.S. citizens with drones and can “hit” anyone he pleases without legal recourse. Libs don’t get that, in fact, most conservatives don’t either.


22 posted on 09/20/2012 8:28:52 PM PDT by gotribe (WTF?)
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To: I see my hands

No games sparky. Show how it is, in detail, that Obama gets tallied for any vote not cast directly for him.

No excuses. Because if he does, that’s election fraud. Now either show the proof of your ‘belief’ or sit silently.


23 posted on 09/20/2012 8:29:20 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: God luvs America

lol.


24 posted on 09/20/2012 8:31:01 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Mathematics are also a reality that you yourself cannot escape, nor deny with absurd rants such as the one you just posted.

I am no fan of Romney and will not be voting for him, but it wouldn't matter anyways as California will easily go to Obama.

Like it or not, you know very well Obama won't get the votes that go to a candidate other than Romney or Obama, but any vote that does not go to Romney is a plus for Obama, and that is a fact. Reality is something you cannot escape.

25 posted on 09/20/2012 8:34:07 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

But that’s not the argument that was made. And I am sick to death of seeing an absolute lie being repeated as fact. Are conservatives now so lazy that they have lost the ability to make their arguments without resorting to liberal tactics? I hope not. If we are then we are as much the problem. And THAT is a fact.


26 posted on 09/20/2012 8:37:39 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle
grundle, are you Dan? If so..how in the sam hill did you keep from slamming your phone on the receiver over and over with all the--that's your opinion, that's in your opinion, that's an opinion. I got frustrated just reading! I think I would have broken my phone!
27 posted on 09/20/2012 8:38:03 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I guess you don’t value your right to vote seeing that you are so willing to throw it away. What other rights are you willing to throw away? Must be nice living on Fantasy Island.


28 posted on 09/20/2012 8:39:47 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Kirkwood

Prove me wrong or sit silently.


29 posted on 09/20/2012 8:40:55 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Semantics.

You know exactly what the meaning is without nitpicking over the details, and you know exactly what happens if, say, 10% of the voters choose a libertarian over Romney.

Yes, the statement you dislike is a contraction of the specific result, but the result is still the same.


30 posted on 09/20/2012 8:42:14 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Are you saying that words are meaningless? Bottom line. If a person is too intellectually lazy to form a factual argument, it makes them and the rest of us look like idiots.

Or do you feel we should blurt out whatever and expect everyone to just accept the wisdom/truth of it? Funny, that is exactly how liberals govern.


31 posted on 09/20/2012 8:44:49 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Irenic

I won’t go into details, but I used to argue with a Sociology prof I taught with all the time about such things. You’d try to have a reasoned debate with her, you’d get her boxed in where she had nowhere to go but agree with you, and she’d say: “That may be so, but I don’t believe it.” and she’d leave. I may as well have been arguing with a fence post.


32 posted on 09/20/2012 8:47:13 PM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

If you feel you need to have a poster “show the steps” to their results, that’s up to you, but most people posting here are quite capable of understanding the extrapolation being made.

I don’t see it as being lazy, and yes, the statement is in and of itself annoying on multiple levels, but why get combative over something so trivial?


33 posted on 09/20/2012 8:50:20 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: All

we used to hire people to do GOTV calls so I talked to the guy that called us on behalf of Obama. I first told him I wasn’t going to vote for his guy and then I asked him about the script, about how many calls his bank make and how they figure it’ll help. He said that the “lines were drawn” and nobody was crossing over and most felt it was a waste of money to keep calling, but they are.


34 posted on 09/20/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Pox

Because the ‘statement’ is a lie.

Why is it so hard for someone to say “That’s a vote less for Romney that he could have against obama.’

It’s accurate. It does not make people look like fools. And it does not resort to the tactics of the left to mock/denigrate someone that isn’t voting lockstep with their personal choice.

Semantics? Call it whatever. But it is the truth and ‘we’ supposedly value truth...don’t we? Bottom line is I’m right.


35 posted on 09/20/2012 8:54:28 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: grundle

Nice....


36 posted on 09/20/2012 8:57:58 PM PDT by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: grundle
Me: Did you know that Obama promised to shut it down, and that he broke that promise?

Her: I think that Obama made a promise that sounded good at the time, but once he was in office, he realized that it was a bad promise.

MISSED ZINGER...

ME: THAT'S YOUR OPINION & A FACT LADY!!

37 posted on 09/20/2012 9:00:38 PM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: grundle

I would have said that I am voting for Romney because he is white, as I am.


38 posted on 09/20/2012 9:07:13 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

You can’t really blame people for feeling strongly that wasting votes on people likely to garner 4% of the vote is not a smart thing to do. Have you lived under the tyrannical regime of Obama for the last four years?


39 posted on 09/20/2012 9:11:02 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: grundle
Her: In your opinion.

I recall a conversation with one of the leftist women one time where it came down to a matter of scientific facts. Sorry, I don't recall exactly what it was about but it came down to her insisting upon something that was scientifically impossible.

When I pointed out the scientific fact, she just replied "That's your opinion" when opinion had nothing to do with it.

The sad thing is she knew she was wrong, but could not violate her leftist religion by admitting to it. She quickly changed the subject.

There is no objective thought on that side. It is all belief and feelings, including a very strong belief in their own moral and intellectual superiority.

$16 trillion in debt? They just don't care because they only want to feel good about themselves.

When you engage them remember, to them it's all about feelings. You can't change their minds, but if you can change their 'feelings' by pointing out what their policies lead to, you might have a chance.

40 posted on 09/20/2012 9:11:15 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Viennacon

Makes no difference. “Blame’ is not relevant.

why is honesty so hard? What does it gain conservatives to lie about things? It’s not like telling the truth and stating things factually is a bad thing. Once, we valued that. Now suddenly it’s wrong?

What other ‘truths’ will we soon feel acceptable to twist? And what then separates us from the tactics of those we despise?

Seems like picking nits, but is it really?


41 posted on 09/20/2012 9:19:06 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I suppose it really depends what state you live in. If you live in Texas or California, vote for whomever you please it won’t change the outcome in your state.

But remember, in 2000 Bush won Florida by what, 600 votes? (I think it was about that), out of the hundreds of thousands of votes cast there.

I think Ralph Nader got about 19000 votes in Florida.

Clearly the Nader voters cost Gore Florida and the Presidency.

601 of them did, anyway.

We all lived through the Florida fiasco and we can tell our grandchildren about it. And of course I’m glad at how it turned out (and it was actually a lot of fun for me at the time. I worked with a lot of political people, diehards for both parties, real Jersey hacks, and my office with Rush Limbaugh playing was ground zero for the endless discussions and old stories that were had. It started out awful, ended up OK, and I have great memories of all the drama.)

But the moral of the story is every vote does count, at least if you live in a swing state.

So I urge anyone here who falls into any state where there is even the slightest chance that one of the other doesn’t have it in the bag to vote for the only person who will be able to get enough votes to unseat Obama, and that is Romney.


42 posted on 09/20/2012 9:24:15 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307
a vote for anyone other than Romney is a vote for bammey....

so nice phone conversation, but beyond that, you're part of the problem....

43 posted on 09/20/2012 9:28:29 PM PDT by cherry
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To: jocon307

Do these people, who insist on voting for a guy who is going to lose, live in swing states?

There’s NO WAY Johnson is going to win.


44 posted on 09/20/2012 9:34:02 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: NoobRep

I don’t agree with Gary Johnson on every issue. But I really, really disagree with the huge growth of the federal government that happened when Bush was President. Also, Obamacare was modeled after Romneycare. I actually would have preferred Ron Paul - it’s too bad he didn’t win the Republican nomination.


45 posted on 09/20/2012 9:36:31 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Maurice Tift

Thanks!


46 posted on 09/20/2012 9:36:52 PM PDT by grundle
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To: null and void

I realize that there’s no way that I can prove that this really happened.


47 posted on 09/20/2012 9:38:23 PM PDT by grundle
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To: FreeAtlanta

Exactly so.


48 posted on 09/20/2012 9:38:35 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: God luvs America

Good for you! I also love having conversations with those environmrntalists who are always asking me to sign petitions.


49 posted on 09/20/2012 9:40:05 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Huskrrrr
I never hang up on the political callers. I love talking to them.

On the other hand, I really, really with that "Rachel from card member services" would quit calling me.

50 posted on 09/20/2012 9:41:20 PM PDT by grundle
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