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Attorney Larry Klayman Appeals Florida Obama Ballot Access Lawsuit (Voeltz w/Arpaio Affidavit)
BirtherReport.com ^ | September 20, 2012 | Larry Klayman

Posted on 09/20/2012 10:21:11 PM PDT by Seizethecarp

The only so called evidence of Appellee Obama's birth within the United States has come in the form of an electronic version posted on the internet. (R.112) There is uncontroverted evidence, however, on the record, to show that this "birth certificate" has either been altered or is entirely fraudulent. (R.260-278) No physical, paper copy has ever been presented to firmly establish that Appellee Obama was indeed born within the United States. (R.112)

Yet even if his purported "birth certificate" is to be believed, Appellee Obama was born to a mother who was a citizen of the United States, and a father who was a Kenyan citizen. (R.112) The U.S. Constitution requires that all who serve as President of the United States must be "natural born citizen[s]." The U.S. Supreme Court has defined this term to mean a child born to two citizen parents. (R.245-260) Since Appellee Obama was not born to both parents who were citizens of the United States, he is not a "natural born citizen" as required by the Constitution.

(Excerpt) Read more at obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birthcertificate; certifigate; florida; naturalborncitizen; obama

1 posted on 09/20/2012 10:21:18 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

leave the two citizen requirement off... for now.

demand they submit the birth certificate in order to prove eligibility. without it, there is NO PROOF he is eligible... and ANYONE claiming he is eligible is also committing election fraud, as they have never seen any proof and/or are not qualified to vouch for it

of course, if he does submit it OFFICIALLY... he will be committing felony forgery and election fraud

both impeachable as they are felonies that usually comes with prison time


2 posted on 09/20/2012 11:06:34 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

No don’t leave it off! That is the point. This requirement comes from Emmerich Vattels Law of Nations which our Founding Fathers used as a reference in the development of our Constitution. It is from that document that the distinction of “natural born citizen” comes from! It matters not if he was born in Honolulu or not, he does not meet the requirement and just because 50 secretaries of state didn’t do their job last time it would not excuse them from not doing it this time!

Ravenstar


3 posted on 09/20/2012 11:14:50 PM PDT by Ravenstar (Reinstitute the Constitution as the Ultimate Law of the Land --Cain 2012)
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To: Seizethecarp

Good. Obama is the Democratic nominee now. They can’t use that as an excuse this time.


4 posted on 09/20/2012 11:49:47 PM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Ravenstar

i understand he’s not eligible as he cannot be a natural born citizen due to his father

but that point will be argued in circles

felony forgery... that’s cut & dry


5 posted on 09/21/2012 12:42:45 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Seizethecarp

Whatever happens in November, I hope birthers double our efforts to expose the complicity of both parties in this fraud. Both parties are run by traitors.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 1:47:25 AM PDT by kreitzer
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To: Seizethecarp; All

Now that Obama is officially the DNC candidate...there should be a real ruling on this

So sick and tired of PhonyCon GOP politicians and GOP Media attacking the people who want the Obama Eligibility issue legally answered. Those GOP who are not Obama Birthers by now...have been Obama Supporters all along


7 posted on 09/21/2012 6:23:56 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: null and void; Red Steel; LucyT; rxsid; Danae; butterdezillion
Arpaio/NBC ping...

This looks to be the ultimate case. Well articulated history of the NBC legal term of art and most of the best case law showing concern about foreign influence, smack down of Ankeny, clarification or WKA, affidavit from Arpaio stating forgery of the only source document indicating a US birth, incorporation by reference of Corsi’s “Where's the Birth Certificate” including Danae’s redacted docs proving that Barry and Hawaii were lying about not being able to produce his BC for years, demand for discovery prior allowing Barry on the ballot, and request for oral argument that could focus media on all of this before the election.

8 posted on 09/21/2012 6:28:41 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: sten

Concur.


9 posted on 09/21/2012 6:36:40 AM PDT by Ray76
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To: Seizethecarp
Quite a dilemma.

A judge gets this put on his desk, with affidavits from law enforcement insisting there are fraudulent documents. A judge with ethics would simply call all of them into his court, and demand to see the evidence of fraud, and let the president answer to the evidence. No spin. No bullshit. Very simple.

10 posted on 09/21/2012 7:08:38 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Seizethecarp

Link to Klayman’s filing. Well worth the read.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/106519938/Voeltz-v-Obama-Florida-Obama-Ballot-Challenge-Appellate-Brief-9-20-2012


11 posted on 09/21/2012 7:21:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: sten
leave the two citizen requirement off... for now.

In a legal filing? No, that's a bad move. You need to state your grounds for appeal up-front, you don't get an unlimited number of "do-overs" if your previous grounds are denied. So you need to list all of them that you plan on bringing up, in the form of "we believe this should be overturned because of X, but even if X denied, we also believe Y is grounds for overturning, etc."

12 posted on 09/21/2012 7:26:50 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: Seizethecarp; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; ...
Constitutional Eligibility

13 posted on 09/21/2012 8:02:34 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1340 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: SatinDoll

PING!


14 posted on 09/21/2012 8:18:53 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Ravenstar

He signed the SR511 not once but twice (once in committee) that defined NBC as born in US of TWO US CITIZEN PARENTS. Someone needs to confront him on this.


15 posted on 09/21/2012 8:38:35 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Seizethecarp; All
There appears to be a glaring problem with Klayman's argument:

Yet even if his purported "birth certificate" is to be believed, Appellee Obama was born to a mother who was a citizen of the United States, and a father who was a Kenyan citizen.

Unless Klayman believes that Barry was born sometime late 1963 or later (1961 isn't listed in the appeal other than by inference), then why would Klayman state that Barry was born to a father who was a "Kenyan" (in 1961)...when "Kenya" hadn't gained their independence yet in 1961.

He should have stipulated that Barry was born to British subject father.

16 posted on 09/21/2012 8:48:25 AM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: Ravenstar
No don’t leave it off! That is the point. This requirement comes from Emmerich Vattels Law of Nations which our Founding Fathers used as a reference in the development of our Constitution. It is from that document that the distinction of “natural born citizen” comes from! It matters not if he was born in Honolulu or not, he does not meet the requirement and just because 50 secretaries of state didn’t do their job last time it would not excuse them from not doing it this time!

The unfortunate truth is that Judges are more ignorant on this subject than are those of us who have researched it, and Judges will always find on the basis of their incorrect knowledge. There is no getting around this. Without educating the Judges about what is correct, invoking the Two Parent requirement is going to be an automatic loss.

I think focusing on the fact that no certified document has been submitted as proof is a good legal tactic, and I think that should be the lead argument in this effort.

17 posted on 09/21/2012 11:24:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: sten
but that point will be argued in circles

felony forgery... that’s cut & dry

Same thing I said, but more succinct. :)

18 posted on 09/21/2012 11:28:38 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: rxsid
In 1961 Kenyan citizen = UK subject and in any case BHO Sr was a non-US citizen father...if he was the father. It was Barry's own campaign that stipulated, supposedly against interest, that the children of BHO Sr. were governed by the UK’s 1948 BNA.

Meanwhile Barry is now claiming on his campaign website that his mom was “single” when he was born, thus in public negating any “governing” by the 1948 BNA which doesn't govern illegitimate children (or children of bigamous marriages). The campaign even tweeted out this stupid statement which at a minimum makes his mom and dad liars.

Perhaps he could see this NBC challenge coming in FL and was trying to preempt it...or baiting constitutionalists because he believes independents will feel sorry for him.

19 posted on 09/21/2012 7:10:12 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp
And if bigamy is in play then his birth father wasn't even Kenyan. Not sure why Klayman would state it that way.

In any event, I of course hope he succeeds in exposing the fraud...but the odds are very long.

20 posted on 09/21/2012 11:02:41 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid
Yes, the odds are long. Especially long for getting any discovery performed and back up through the courts before the election with all of the delaying tactics available to Barry's team.

On the other hand, given Barry's 2008 campaign statement implying that he was a UK subject at birth and the lower court judges obviously erroneous equation of citizen with NBC, the three-judge appeals panel would have to be especially dishonest to rubber-stamp that ruling in the face of all of the supporting case law and original intent cited by Klayman, IMO.

So far, that hasn't stopped any of the courts, but previous defeats were based on lack of standing, not an NBC ruling in a case with a plaintiff who has standing, as Klayman claims here.

21 posted on 09/22/2012 8:56:39 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; ..

ping!


22 posted on 09/22/2012 8:59:25 AM PDT by bitt (These Commies are making it impossible to stick to my self-imposed moratorium on foul language)
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To: bitt

The moving chair game is starting to make me dizzy.


24 posted on 09/22/2012 11:48:33 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: seekthetruth

May God Bless you for your conservative activism and your dedication to TRUTH!

(((HUGS)))


25 posted on 09/22/2012 12:00:38 PM PDT by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 09/22/2012 8:46:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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