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Kansas Verification Works for Non-Valid Record Too
Butterdezillion's Blog ^ | Sept 21, 2012 | butterdezillion

Posted on 09/21/2012 7:45:43 AM PDT by butterdezillion

What KS SOS Kris Kobach asked to be verified was the same thing that the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee asked to be verified, with the additional verification that the file number on the White House BC be verified.

Mr. Kobach had received a letter from Attorney Larry Klayman on Sept 7th, pointing out that Onaka had confirmed that the HI birth record for Obama is non-valid. And Kobach’s request – like MDEC’s – was specifically designed to allow Onaka to verify what was asked, EVEN WITH A NON-VALID BIRTH RECORD.

IOW, there is NOTHING to contradict Onaka’s earlier confirmation to AZ SOS Ken Bennett that the HI record for Barack Obama is legally non-valid – and SOS Kobach knows that full well.


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; electionfraud; eligibility; kobach; naturalborncitizen; obama
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Kobach's request and Hawaii's response are posted at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf . If somebody could post it here, that would be fantastic!

Also if somebody could appeal to have this in breaking news I would appreciate it. This is the rest of the story - which the so-called news media never bothered to check out. By shutting blogs out of the ability to break news we are giving the treasonous media more power than they deserve. I will be gone this morning so your help on this is appreciated.

1 posted on 09/21/2012 7:45:49 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Link to the PDF: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf

Link to Klayman’s letter, which Kobach received on Sept 7th: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/complete-klayman-letter-to-bauer.pdf

An article which helps explain why neither MDEC’s verification nor Kobach’s means anything: http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/wheel-of-fortune-v-family-feud-final.pdf


2 posted on 09/21/2012 7:47:46 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

I thought Nancy Pelose signed for O to run last time in a few states that required verification.


3 posted on 09/21/2012 7:49:37 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Hotlanta Mike; TheCipher; little jeremiah; bitt; STARWISE; onyx; edge919; Fantasywriter; ...

Ping. The Kansas verification means nothing, and Kris Kobach knows it full well.


4 posted on 09/21/2012 7:51:14 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: dalebert

There is nobody in this country who can lawfully declare Obama eligible. He has no legally-valid birth record. There are no legally-established birth facts for Barack Obama and never CAN be until he presents the BC as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body and the probative value of his non-valid record is determined.

That’s all explained in the links I gave in post 2. Everybody really needs to understand what is going on here. At this point it is a legal FACT that anybody who certified Obama as eligible or allows him on the ballot is committing perjury and election fraud, respectively. Kobach and every other SOS in the country was informed of this by Attorney Larry Klayman.

I can’t post it yet because my computer won’t let me convert Word files to PDF but I have scans of all 50 return receipts showing that every SOS has been notified of this.

We need to make sure our SOS’s know we are aware that they are committing election fraud if they allow Obama on their ballot. Every one of them.


5 posted on 09/21/2012 7:55:38 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

BTTT

Thank you very much for your diligence.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 8:01:39 AM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: butterdezillion

they will ignore it and break the law..no one will do anything


7 posted on 09/21/2012 8:01:57 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: butterdezillion

They would all rather continue the shadow game than ask for a simple paper $12 LFBC which we are told is not a problem yet it has never appeared in four years.


8 posted on 09/21/2012 8:03:50 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: butterdezillion

Kobach’s letter is dated September 14th. He dropped the whole matter like a hot potato on Monday the 17th. If you think he got any response from Hawaii between Friday and Monday then you’re kidding yourself.


9 posted on 09/21/2012 8:06:33 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: butterdezillion; kristinn; null and void; bitt; Bitsy; SeekAndFind; Ernest_at_the_Beach; ...

” - - - By shutting blogs out of the ability to break news we are giving the treasonous media more power than they deserve. “

Have you sent this information to other bloggers, Drudge, Rush or FReeper Media people such as kristinn?


10 posted on 09/21/2012 8:11:18 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Delhi Rebels

I read that Kobach has something to do with the Romney campaign.


11 posted on 09/21/2012 8:11:42 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: Delhi Rebels

I’ve got the response posted on my blog. I paid $5 and received it from the SOS’s office this morning.


12 posted on 09/21/2012 8:11:56 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: JohnnyP
I read that Kobach has something to do with the Romney campaign.

He's an adviser to the campaign on illegal immigration.

13 posted on 09/21/2012 8:17:54 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: butterdezillion
I’ve got the response posted on my blog. I paid $5 and received it from the SOS’s office this morning.

Where?

14 posted on 09/21/2012 8:19:25 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: SatinDoll

PING!


15 posted on 09/21/2012 8:20:04 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: butterdezillion; Absolutely Nobama; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Aurorales; autumnraine; azishot; ...
Constitutional Eligibility

16 posted on 09/21/2012 8:22:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1340 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: butterdezillion
There is nobody in this country who can lawfully declare Obama eligible

Which in their way of thinking means the same as, "There is nobody in this country who can lawfully declare Obama ineligible."

17 posted on 09/21/2012 8:36:00 AM PDT by bgill
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To: butterdezillion

I can’t post it yet because my computer won’t let me convert Word files to PDF....

Here is a free great little program that converts anything you can print to a PDF.

It essentially installs a PDF printer on your computer and prints the PDF to a file. Works great been using it for years.

http://www.dopdf.com/


18 posted on 09/21/2012 8:41:53 AM PDT by Hang'emAll (Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: butterdezillion







19 posted on 09/21/2012 8:54:31 AM PDT by Ray76
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To: butterdezillion

If I had the power I would nominate you for the Medal of Freedom. You have done some great work.


20 posted on 09/21/2012 9:05:48 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: butterdezillion; All

Kris Kobach is a subversive

All of his Illegal Alien laws he authored for the states that passed them have been ruled unconstitutional by most courts. He has been a thorn in the fight against Illegal Alien Amnesty....why states continue to use his loser bills I do not understand.

So, no surprise he is an Obama Supporter in regard to the Birth Certificate/Eligibility. After Sherrif Arapio’s investigation...if you are not an Obama Birther by now....you are an Obama Supporter

Kris Kobach is a Subversive PhonyCon. He has done more to help liberals than the GOP Northeastern Senators


21 posted on 09/21/2012 9:10:35 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Blaming Terry Jones for the recent Muslim riots is like blaming the St Louis Rams for football)
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To: Ray76

Why didn’t Hawaii just send a certified copy of the LFBC?


22 posted on 09/21/2012 9:10:43 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: butterdezillion

does this mean the birth certificate was OFFICIALLY submitted?


23 posted on 09/21/2012 10:09:45 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: sten

I think it means Kansas emailed a copy of the fake PDF and asked Hawaii if the information on it is what they have in their files.


24 posted on 09/21/2012 10:42:24 AM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP

the officials in kansas cannot search the internet and pull a file to submit on behalf of the candidate.

the candidate must submit the paperwork... THEN it can be verified


25 posted on 09/21/2012 10:54:59 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: null and void; butterdezillion; David; LucyT

So the State of Hawaii made a copy of the fake birth certificate from the White House website and sent it to the State of Kansas?


26 posted on 09/21/2012 12:06:28 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

Paragraph three of Kobach’s letter says they attached a copy of the pdf from the whitehouse website.


27 posted on 09/21/2012 12:20:56 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP

This request (shown in post 19) appears to be other than the first request.

In paragraph 3 Kobach states that a copy of the “Certificate of Live Birth” has been verified and a copy is “attached to this request”

The details of Kobach’s request, for certified copy? for “verification”? and subsequent response from Hawaii would be interesting.


28 posted on 09/21/2012 12:52:25 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76
To clarify

How did Kobach come into possession of Onaka's “verification” dated Sept. 14 2012 which Kobach attached to his letter to Onaka?

There's a chronology problem here.

Did he ask for a “verification” letter? Or did he first ask for a certified copy, only to be denied/redirected?

It gets better...

In paragraph 3 Kobach asks Onaka if the COLB at the Whitehouse website “is identical to the information contained in the original [COLB on file with HI DOH]. Why ask this? Onaka’s “verification” attached to Kobach’s letter plainly states “the information in the 'Certificate of Live Birth' published at [the Whitehouse website] ... a copy of which is attached to your request, matches the information contained in the original [COLB on file with HI DOH]”

This is choreographed. Theater is being staged for public consumption.

29 posted on 09/21/2012 1:24:48 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Brown Deer; MestaMachine; KC_Lion; Myrddin; Godzilla; Domestic Church; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; ...

*

Check out # 26 through # 29.

Thanks, Brown Deer.


30 posted on 09/21/2012 2:37:31 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: butterdezillion

Butter ? there are free programs you can download to covert Word files to PDF.


31 posted on 09/21/2012 4:39:53 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Graewoulf

I just had time to post this here after receiving the PDF from the KS SOS’s office this morning, before I had to spend the day trying to help my husband fix our daughter’s car. I just got home now and need to get supper for my family and prepare for a second round of automotive repairs tomorrow. I would be thrilled to pieces if somebody would send this information to the powers-that-be who have a megaphone to use.


32 posted on 09/21/2012 4:59:49 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Delhi Rebels

The PDF I received is at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/kansas-verification.pdf

Hopefully somebody can post it here too. I don’t know how to post PDF’s here.


33 posted on 09/21/2012 5:01:28 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Hang'emAll

Thanks. I’ll give it a try.


34 posted on 09/21/2012 5:02:24 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ray76

Perfect! Thank you!


35 posted on 09/21/2012 5:03:11 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: JohnnyP

The HDOH would say they can’t release a long-form to somebody who’s not a relative or lawyer. But a SOS is authorized to receive a verification so that’s what Kobach asked for. Unfortunately, what he asked to be verified would result in the same response from Onaka even if the BC is non-valid, as Onaka has already confirmed is true to AZ SOS Ken Bennett. So what Kobach asked is totally useless.

And the thing that is going to bite him in the butt is the fact that Larry Klayman informed him of all this beforehand. He has no excuse to claim that this verification changes anything, since it in no way contradicts Onaka’s disclosure that Obama’s HI BC is non-valid.


36 posted on 09/21/2012 5:08:31 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; ...

imposter in the WH ping!


37 posted on 09/21/2012 5:15:22 PM PDT by bitt (These Commies are making it impossible to stick to my self-imposed moratorium on foul language)
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To: butterdezillion

Dear Secretary of State Kobach,

Either today or on Monday you will be served with summons and complaint in regards to a legal challenge to Candidate Obama. I am emailing you the complaint and exhibits to give you an early notice and to conduct a “Meet and Confer” in regards to October 3rd hearing. I would like to know, whether you would stipulate to a preliminary injunction, barring Mr. Obama from the ballot, pending production and expert examination of several documents in light of Prima Facia evidence of forgery in those documents.

I am seeking:

1. original application for Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425, which Obama is using, while E-Verify and SSNVS show that it was not assigned to Obama

2. original application to the Selective Service in light of the laughable forgery posted on line by Obama, which shows a 2 digit year postal stamp instead of a 4 digit year postal stamp

3. original long form 1961 birth certificate and original microfilm of the birth certificate in light of the forgery provided.

Mr. Kobach,

as an attorney, who was educated in Yale, Oxford and Harvard, you clearly understand that when you have 87 pages of sworn expert affidavits and other exhibits showing a prima facia evidence of forgery in IDs, you cannot accept a letter from a corrupt governmental official, a Registrar in Hawaii, who is involved in releasing this forgery in the first place, as evidence that there was no forgery. What did you expect Alvin T. Onaka to say? Yes, I am involved in forgery, send me to prison. His letter is not an effective rebuttal of the prima facia evidence of forgery, only original documents would constitute an effective rebuttal.

I trust that you will not be complicit to this elections fraud and forgery and will not commit treason by knowingly allowing a foreign national with forged IDs on the ballot and I trust that you will voluntarily stipulate to preliminary injunction pending expert examination of the aforementioned original documents. U.S. National security is at stake.

If you consent/stipulate to preliminary injunction, please advice whether you, as a Secretary of State, will subpoena the aforementioned original records or whether you would want me to do it and seek enforcement of subpoenas by Judge Hendricks, as from prior experience I know that there is stonewalling and lack of cooperation.

I would like to know, when will I get the requested Agency record and the hearing transcript.

Lastly, I need to know, whether you will represent yourself in this legal action or whether you will be represented by a counsel, and if so, who will be your counsel in this action.

Sincerely

Dr. Orly Taitz ESQ

cc U.S. and international media

Taitz Walters v Sec of State KS final

Taitz Walters v Sec of state of Kansas Exhibits1-7

Taitz Walters v Sec of state of Kansas Exhibits 8-14

Taitz Walters cover page

Honorable Larry D. Hendricks

District Court Judges
Title: Division Six


38 posted on 09/21/2012 5:18:29 PM PDT by bitt (These Commies are making it impossible to stick to my self-imposed moratorium on foul language)
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To: sten

No. Obama has submitted nothing. The Certification of Nomination from the DNC is all Kansas got from the Obama people, I believe. But Kobach had been informed in advance that any Certification of Nomination they might receive would have to be perjurious and fraudulent, and that if he allowed Obama on the ballot on the basis of a known-fraudulent Certification, he would be committing election fraud himself. He wanted to cover his behind so he asked for a verification - but never asked anything that would only apply to a legally valid birth certificate. What he got back is legally worthless.


39 posted on 09/21/2012 5:21:30 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ray76

The verification from Onaka dated Sept 14 is what Kobach received back from Hawaii. Kobach sent a letter requesting that the existence of a BC and the BC# of 151-1961-10631 be verified, as well as asking that Onaka verify that the information contained in the White House BC image (which he enclosed with the request) matched the record on file. He asked the HDOH to first send an electronic copy of the verification for the sake of speed, and then express mail the paper document as well.

What I’ve posted is Kobach’s request and the electronic copy of the verification that the DOH sent in response.


40 posted on 09/21/2012 5:28:38 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: bitt

Thanks bitt.


41 posted on 09/21/2012 5:36:55 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Ray76
In the PDF supplied in post 1, the contents of which are in post 19, are three items:

(A) a letter from Ryan Kriegshauser to Onaka, dated Sept 14

(B) Certificate of Live Birth dated Apr 25 2011, presumably from the WH website

(C) an email dated Friday Sept 14 from Nagamine to Kriegshauser which has attached a "Verification of Birth" issued by Onaka also dated Sept 14

Item C is a response to a request for verification.

Is the request the letter in Item A?

Item A, a request from Kansas deputy assistant SOS to Hawaii DOH Registrar, "The information contained in the 'Certificate of Live Birth' published at the [Whitehouse website] and reviewed by you on the date of your verification..."

"reviewed by you on the date of your verification"? Does Kriegshauser already have Onaka's verification at this point? Or is this a poorly worded sentence from Mr. K?

Notice in Item C, "The original is being sent to you via express mail from Honolulu today in the prepaid envelope that you provided..."

So is Item C the originating request? Could a letter including a prepaid envelope be sent from Topeka Kansas and arrive in Honolulu on the same day?

I think there are other communications between Kansas SOS and Hawaii DOH.

42 posted on 09/21/2012 5:39:43 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: butterdezillion

Perhaps I’ve become overly sensitized from long exposure to the machinations of these people, I’m not certain we have the full picture though.

What I am certain of is that Kobach has ignored Klayman’s advice and deserves to be served with an arrest warrant.


43 posted on 09/21/2012 5:53:04 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76
In post 42

So is Item C the originating request?

So is Item A the originating request?

typo

44 posted on 09/21/2012 6:00:04 PM PDT by Ray76
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To: Ray76

The only way that could work is if they wired money to them for a pre-paid envelope or had somebody in Hawaii deliver a pre-paid envelope in person to the HDOH office.

The only way Hawaii could have gotten that letter on Sept 14th so that a verification was completed on Sept 14th, scanned, and the scan sent back to the SOS via e-mail is if the request letter was faxed to Hawaii. But the HDOH website itself says that letters of verification are to be requested the same way as certified copies - and requests are not allowed by e-mail, telephone, or fax. The roadblocks that Hawaii has put into place to try to stop us pesky haoles from getting answers - requiring everything to be done by snail mail, which they then ignore unless you tell them you’ve got proof of delivery - comes back to bite them all in the butt. The HDOH violated its own rules by allowing KS to request a letter of verification via e-mail or fax.

But all that aside, what was verified in no way clarifies whether the birth certificate is legally valid and thus says nothing about what Obama’s true birth facts are. The verification to Ken Bennett - confirming that Obama’s HI BC is legally non-valid - remains uncontradicted by anything put out by the HDOH.

There is nobody in this country who can lawfully certify Obama as eligible since he has no legally-determined birth facts, no legally valid birth record. Every SOS who allows Obama on the ballot by accepting a known-perjurious Certification of Nomination from the DNC is committing election fraud.

That is the point that needs to be brought home in vivid color. Orly Taitz means well, and the arguments about the other records being forgeries are all well-taken, but ultimately what matters is whether Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961 to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. If Hawaii had verified that those facts were true, SOS’s could claim that the evidence of forgery wasn’t enough to counter the presumption of regularity regarding the verification. But Onaka has actually confirmed that the birth record is not legally valid. So at this point the LEGAL PRESUMPTION has to be that Obama is not eligible. It is no longer up to any of us to prove that Obama isn’t eligible; Onaka has already done that.

Our job now is to make sure that what Onaka verified to Ken Bennett actually makes a difference - by letting our SOS’s know that we will be filing criminal reports on them for known election fraud and misprision of perjury if they allow Obama on the ballot.

We need to focus with laser-like precision on the real issue: Obama has no legally valid birth record, the people who swore that he was eligible thus perjured themselves, and any SOS who accepts a perjurious Certification of Nomination is him/herself guilty of election fraud - having been notified of these facts in a certified mail letter from Attorney Larry Klayman.


45 posted on 09/21/2012 6:04:38 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion; onyx

Yes. Thank you. I pray for you, your efforts, and your well-being every night.


46 posted on 09/21/2012 7:13:57 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: JohnnyP; Brown Deer; butterdezillion
Paragraph three of Kobach’s letter says they attached a copy of the pdf from the whitehouse website.

Is there no end to this madness?

47 posted on 09/21/2012 7:15:59 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Thank you. I can use all the prayers I can get.

Could you put in a prayer for our vehicles too? We’ve got 4 vehicles and only one is actually safe to drive at this point - spread out between my husband’s needs as a pastor, my needs having 2 part-time jobs, my kids’ need to get to school and back while I am working, and my daughter’s needs at college in another city. We’ve probably spent in excess of $10,000 on vehicle repairs in the last 2 years and still have 3 out of the 4 basically unusable at this point.

The Lord provides. Sometimes He stretches our faith quite a ways before making His providence known though...


48 posted on 09/21/2012 7:43:02 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Ray76

I just noticed something else. The SOS’s office requested verification that the information contained in the WH BE is IDENTICAL to the information contained in the original BC on file.

The language in the verification statement that was received back is identical to the request - except that the word “matches” is used instead of “is identical to”. A deliberate word change, and I’m sure there is a reason for it.


49 posted on 09/21/2012 7:54:22 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Prayers sent for your vehicle problem. I wonder what form the answer will take?


50 posted on 09/21/2012 8:11:25 PM PDT by thecodont
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