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Fever Dreams From My Real Father
Barackryphal ^ | September 29, 2012 | Loren Collins

Posted on 10/01/2012 1:54:05 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man

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I wouldn't be surprised if Gilbert's DVD mass mailing is being bankrolled by some Chicago stimulus money. And apparently Alex Jones loves him some Joel Gilbert. He's not helpful.
1 posted on 10/01/2012 1:54:09 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Hilarious!


2 posted on 10/01/2012 2:16:15 PM PDT by Natufian (t)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

“Dreams form my real father” is having an impact.

Attacking Gilbert proves it.


3 posted on 10/01/2012 2:41:23 PM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Tex-Con-Man

The evidence he has uncovered is false because he’s... he’s.... he’s a nut!?

I believe the evidence stands on it’s own merits. Frank Davis took naked pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham in December of 1960, shortly after she became pregnant.

Didn’t see a rebuttal to those facts anywhere in your excerpt. What’s a matter? Can’t do anything other than ad hominem the messenger? So he’s a nut, but the facts he has uncovered speak for themselves. Let’s talk about the actual evidence, shall we?


4 posted on 10/01/2012 2:46:02 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: PA-RIVER
Attacking Gilbert proves it.

He must be hitting a nerve. Not a word about the evidence. All of it is how kooky and untrustworthy Gilbert is. And how does one do a search for a specific stock photo one thinks has been used to photoshop a fake building?

Given the effort spent researching this guy and his background, his work product must really be giving them fits.

5 posted on 10/01/2012 2:52:50 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Let’s talk about the actual evidence, shall we?

Forthcoming...it's a series.

6 posted on 10/01/2012 3:06:40 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Forthcoming...it's a series.

Leave it to Democrat LorenC to get it bassackwards. I would think the proof ought to come before the smear. And why are you trafficking with Democrats?

7 posted on 10/01/2012 3:18:44 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Other than being anti-birther, what proof do you have of his political leanings that are liberal/Democrat?


8 posted on 10/01/2012 3:26:37 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Frank Davis took naked pictures of Stanley Ann Dunham in December of 1960, shortly after she became pregnant.

This is her in 1960:

1959.

1958

This is not her:

At least not her in 1960.

This is her in 1972:

Unless she had her jaw broken and reset twice, it ain't her.

9 posted on 10/01/2012 3:32:39 PM PDT by x
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Gilbert also made movies claiming Bob Dylan was still alive, so he must be a big fake.


10 posted on 10/01/2012 3:36:50 PM PDT by x
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To: x
I'm not sure the evidence is clear on Dylan...he hasn't mumbled a coherent lyric in 30 years.
11 posted on 10/01/2012 3:39:59 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Tex-Con-Man; Fred Nerks; LucyT; null and void; Smokeyblue; Flotsam_Jetsome; Plummz; PhilDragoo; ...

Nothing new here (except the picture of an office). Already discussed last August on FR.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920965/posts

Are we allowed to post articles from ex-FReepers that were ZOTTED?


12 posted on 10/01/2012 3:48:31 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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what proof do you have of his political leanings that are liberal/Democrat?

Why are you defending lorenc? Are you over on Fogbow with him?
13 posted on 10/01/2012 3:53:36 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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Why are you defending lorenc?

Let me know if he got anything wrong in what I posted.

Are you over on Fogbow with him?

Nope.

14 posted on 10/01/2012 3:59:47 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: DiogenesLamp

Let’s talk about the actual evidence, shall we?

They don’t like to do that...ever. Wonder why?


15 posted on 10/01/2012 4:00:16 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: Tex-Con-Man
One more time...

Why are you defending lorenc?
16 posted on 10/01/2012 4:08:56 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Tex-Con-Man; DiogenesLamp
what proof do you have of his political leanings that are liberal/Democrat?

PolitiFact:
Loren Collins Libertarian from Georgia
17 posted on 10/01/2012 4:16:49 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

You’re not suggesting there aren’t a lot of libertarian-leaning FR members, are you?


18 posted on 10/01/2012 4:26:36 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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Other than being anti-birther, what proof do you have of his political leanings that are liberal/Democrat?

Well, first of all he is a weird looking loon that has an unhealthy obsession with this issue that can only be regarded as the act of a sane man *IF* he is actually working FOR the Obama Administration or supporting his policies in General. (Ideologically Liberal)

He's an attorney. As a group they are major contributors to the Democrat party. Throw a rock into a group of attorneys and the odds are you have hit a Democrat. He claims to have voted for Bob Barr, so that means he didn't vote for McCain. A Vote for anyone else was a vote for Obama. (And that's *IF* he's telling the truth)

His Church/School appears to be affiliated with the Stone-Campbell Restoration Movement and the International Churches of Christ, which if I recall properly is a pretty Liberal group.

My recollection is that he was banned here at Free Republic. I would count that as a strike against him. I suppose I could dig around in his old postings here on Free Republic for a better analysis, but given that his Cohorts are people like Doctor Conspiracy, I would say that's the direction he leans.

He claims to be a libertarian, but his actions seem to be geared toward helping the Democrats.

19 posted on 10/01/2012 4:50:30 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: x

three faces of the same model

The model and Stanley Ann Dunham have different chins and noses

and nothing lines up because it simply isn't the same girl.

20 posted on 10/01/2012 4:57:39 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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Well, firstly, we have better evidence then just appearance to conclude that it is in fact her, but we actually also have pretty good appearance evidence that it *IS* her. You are just looking at the wrong pictures. You need to look at these pictures.

Examine them closely and see if you can detect a common and specific identifying characteristic.

21 posted on 10/01/2012 4:59:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Brown Deer
Are we allowed to post articles from ex-FReepers that were ZOTTED?

Good work that. Perhaps lightning will strike twice? :)

22 posted on 10/01/2012 5:01:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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They don’t like to do that...ever. Wonder why?

Two reasons I can think of. They don't like where it leads, and they don't want to give the topic more publicity.

23 posted on 10/01/2012 5:02:52 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1468#1468

NICE FIND DL.


24 posted on 10/01/2012 5:03:52 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Thanks Fred. We always need someone to come along and cloudy the waters.

Your theory is obviously predicated on the belief that Jaws are not movable. :)

25 posted on 10/01/2012 5:10:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

The image of Stanley Ann Dunham from a primary school photograph apparently taken in Vernon, Texas, shows that the image you posted, from the w.t.p.o.t.us blog, ISN'T THE SAME GIRL.

26 posted on 10/01/2012 5:13:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Thanks. But we should all really be thanking Brown Deer for bringing this to light. Thank you Brown Deer.

You do good work too Fred. As I have mentioned in the past, I am often amazed at how well you can ferret out bits and pieces that were simply unknown to me until you brought them out.

27 posted on 10/01/2012 5:14:17 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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I think I know what isn’t movable. You show an image of a little girl that first appeared on the Nicoloff website, which incorrectly identified her as Stanley Ann Dunham, without any reference to the source of the image. That photograph was cropped from a group of children in which NONE of the children were identified. The same segment also maintained to show two adult couples sitting at a dinner table, and identified one couple as Stanley and Madelyn Dunham. Which identification was patently incorrect.

And you throw it at me that I have come along and muddied the waters?

You really aught to be ashamed of yourself.


28 posted on 10/01/2012 5:23:45 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
The image of Stanley Ann Dunham from a primary school photograph apparently taken in Vernon, Texas, shows that the image you posted, from the w.t.p.o.t.us blog, ISN'T THE SAME GIRL.

I wouldn't rely on the images as absolute proof when it is my understanding that the School Records indicate that they are the same girl.

I'll tell you what. I don't really need the younger picture of Stanley Ann with the crooked tooth, if you will acknowledge that the older picture with the crooked tooth in the same place is really Stanley Ann. Deal?

p.s. I have to go. (Responsibilities.) I'll be back shortly, hopefully less than an hour.

29 posted on 10/01/2012 5:24:04 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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The source of the little girl image you posted:

http://www.whale.to/b/nicoloff5.html

It’s from a load of garbage. I hesitated before I added my comment to the thread, I expected to be attacked as usual, you didn’t disappoint me.


30 posted on 10/01/2012 5:36:22 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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And you are planning to return and show me that both girls had slightly prominent front teeth (one a little more prominent than the other)and a small incisor (one a little smaller than the other) on the same side, right? You plan to use as proof the Model and Stanley Ann Dunham are the same girl because of a very slight similarity in their teeth - and ignore the fact that NOTHING ELSE in their facial features lines up - not the eyes, not the nose, not the chin, not the ears...

Mind you, Loren C (banned) wouldn't have bothered to write the posted article if the Joel Gilbert story wasn't damaging his hero, so I'm happy to let the misidentification stand. Lord knows the truth hasn't been much use so far, not while you're hanging onto the lie by the skin of your teeth...and Gilbert's film is the new standard.

31 posted on 10/01/2012 6:01:55 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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Why do people keep picking the wrong photos? When viewed from the angle you chose, the crooked tooth is not prominent. Try this picture.

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That upper left first incisor sticks out prominently from this angle. Bear in mind the nude picture is three years older than the younger (and clearer) picture of Stanley Ann. That there is something amiss on her top left incisors is unmistakable in both pictures.

32 posted on 10/01/2012 8:26:40 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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SAD nose asymmetrical; Model nose nothing similar. QED not one but two persons.
33 posted on 10/01/2012 8:32:12 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Like I said, you’re hanging on by the skin of (Stanley Anne’s) teeth.


34 posted on 10/01/2012 8:34:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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SAD nose asymmetrical; Model nose nothing similar. QED not one but two persons.

Different angles, different ages. The teeth tell the truth.

35 posted on 10/01/2012 8:46:09 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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Like I said, you’re hanging on by the skin of (Stanley Anne’s) teeth.

Ha, good one! But seriously, if it didn't jut out like that, the light wouldn't catch it so. I noticed that subsequent pictures of Ann all show her teeth straight. (When you can find pictures of her smiling. I've noticed she has a lot of pictures where she doesn't smile with teeth. I think she was very self conscious about those crooked front teeth.)

36 posted on 10/01/2012 8:49:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: PhilDragoo

LINK TO VIDEO PRESENTATION OF MODEL IMAGES:

http://www.obamasrealfather.com/breaking_news002/

I find it impossible to understand, why...if someone has seen the images from the video provided by Gilbert, they would fail to see that the images of the Model are the result of photographs taken over a long period...the girl starts out quite young and slim, wearing little make-up, and as she ages, she gains weight, wears more make-up, and a number of times is seen posing with other women, in different locations.
This is the girl, who throughout, Gilbert wants the viewer to believe is someone he identifies as ANN DUNAHM. Note, he doesn’t use her full, correct name. He names her ANN, which would allow him to deny he identified the woman as Stanley Ann Dunham. He’s a slippery sucker, he’s not telling us that Stanley Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis are the parents. He’s not that stupid, is he? It’s all smoke and mirrors and innuendo.
We are expected to accept that the photographs were taken by FMD in Hawaii, where, IF Stanley Ann Dunham ever actually was (althought there’s no physical evidence of it until 1963) she could only have been after graduation from high school in 1960 and when she left the island in the Fall of 1961, nine months of which she would have been pregnant (regardless of who the father was) which means she was available for posing for a period of a few months only...NOT YEARS AS THE IMAGES OF THE MODEL SHOWS.

But don’t take any notice of me, I think it’s wonderful, Loren C, the banned freeper who gave us so much grief, finds it worth the while to have a whinge about the Gilbert film being circulated. It’s hurting. I like that a lot, Loren C is squirming.

What I don’t like and will never understand, is why there are some who fequent these forums, even after seeing the photographs, even after being shown how much time elapsed between the images, knowing that Stanley Ann Dunham wasn’t in Hawaii long enough...STILL insist it has to be her. The only way that could be the case, is if FMD followed her around for years with a camera.

Two different girls for sure, and poor old Frank, he had nothing to do with it. (But don’t tell Loren C, the million DVD’s are out, and if someone would like to set up a collection to get another million out, I’ll contribute.)


37 posted on 10/01/2012 9:14:38 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
WHO Des Moines afternoon host Simon Conway had Gilbert as guest Friday.

Host was fascinated. Gilbert was linking ideology.

The Model is not SAD. Gilbertian marketing must insist the untrue is so.

The takeaway above the fray is that the false messiah is not taken at face value.

Given the baseline of no-credibility, the rest is to sweep the Artist Formerly Known As Barry into history's dustbin.


38 posted on 10/01/2012 9:20:55 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: PhilDragoo

The model, wearing her favourite earrings. I've lost count of the number of times I've been told the black and white images and the tinted images are not the same girl!

39 posted on 10/01/2012 9:51:30 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
James Dean today.


40 posted on 10/01/2012 9:56:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Jim Morrison today.


41 posted on 10/01/2012 9:56:57 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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When the music’s over...turn out the lights.


42 posted on 10/01/2012 10:01:43 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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Awww..shucks...he’s really riled up, there’s an update now and more to come, I wanna say, Loren C, GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

http://barackryphal.blogspot.com.au/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=12

“... In any case, those nude photo claims will be annihilated for good in the final installment of this series. If you haven’t been convinced yet of Gilbert’s rampant dishonesty and disingenuousness, you will be.”

(Now you know how it feels, the lie went halway ‘round the world before truth had time to get its pants on.)


43 posted on 10/01/2012 10:08:34 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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Fred, I hate to suggest you are out and out lying, because I really think you try to be honest, but it looks to me like you are juxtaposing pictures of Marci Moore with Stanley Ann to create the appearance that they are the same woman.

Anyone who's seen the rest of the Marci Moore pictures knows instantly that they are not the same woman, and I cannot fathom why you are attempting to create the impression that they are.

Why are you doing that?

44 posted on 10/01/2012 10:42:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Well we know Lauren Collins is reading this stuff because he quickly changed the weird looking picture of himself that I linked.

Good to know I got to ya twerp. Ha ha ha ha ha...

45 posted on 10/01/2012 10:46:53 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Brown Deer

Thanks for the Ping.

bbl


46 posted on 10/01/2012 11:29:37 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome ("Obama": His entire life is Photoshopped.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I’m doing that because I’m an idiot and I need a new hobby. Thanks for reminding me.


47 posted on 10/02/2012 12:38:17 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DiogenesLamp; PA-RIVER
"The teeth tell the truth."

That they do.

"But, but, but then that would mean that the MX-as-the-real-father narrative would be untrue! That simply cannot be after all I've invested in time and emotion in running down that angle!"

I guess I came too late to this party to have become entrenched in one particular camp as far as what the deception truly is. To my mind, the scenario that Gilbert has laid out seems the most logical/plausible at current, even if it is not complete either. I've at least watched the film, which is more than can be said for many naysayers, from what I've read on this forum.

The fact that zotted LorenC is up in arms over it makes it all the more likely to be hitting very close to home, IMNSHO.

48 posted on 10/02/2012 2:32:30 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome ("Obama": His entire life is Photoshopped.)
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To: Fred Nerks
I’m doing that because I’m an idiot and I need a new hobby. Thanks for reminding me.

We all do. I personally think your heart is in the right place, but I also think you are sometimes overzealous, and too willing to seize on inconclusive or dubious data, and too quick to reject provable information. (Such as that picture of the young girl with the crooked tooth not being Stanley Ann Dunham.) You have a rare talent for finding information though, i'll grant you that.

49 posted on 10/02/2012 7:17:45 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
...I personally think your heart is in the right place, but I also think you are sometimes overzealous, and too willing to seize on inconclusive or dubious data, and too quick to reject provable information.

Same thing applies to you...

(Such as that picture of the young girl with the crooked tooth not being Stanley Ann Dunham.)

I gave you the link to where that image came from, that website is the same as identified Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham as one couple at a dinner table, and if you believe that identification, there's no hope for you...Nicoloff finished off that series by showing, in glorious colour, that zero had reptile skin. That's not where I would choose to collect information - it's written for entertainment value, it's Disney-like.

You have a rare talent for finding information though, i'll grant you that.

I don't have anything other than a reasonably good memory, and I have been following this much longer than you, I joined in 2003, you in 2011 iirc. You're trying to teach an old dog new tricks, and it won't work while you are calling me a liar and being patronizing.

50 posted on 10/02/2012 2:23:25 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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