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Buyers, Sellers of ‘Murderabilia’ Have No Shame
The Christian Diarist ^ | October 2, 2012 | JP

Posted on 10/02/2012 11:08:16 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST

During their three-year crime spree, the infamous young couple murdered nine police officers and at least as many civilians. The pair finally got what was coming to them on a dusty road in Louisiana, where a six-man posse ambushed them and shot them dead.

Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger who led the posse, was rewarded for his service by being allowed to take anything the outlaws had in their possession at the time of their deaths.

So he took the Colt .45 semi-automatic pistol the 25-year-old male had in his waistband and the .38 Special the 23-year-old female concealed under her dress.

Over the years, the weapons Hamer recovered from the bullet-ridden corpses of Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker ended up in the hands of collectors. And, this past weekend, the guns were sold at auction, with Bonnie’s .38 fetching $264,000, and Clyde’s Colt .45 going for $240,000.

Now I know the owners of the two weapons had the legal right to auction them off. And I know that the anonymous buyer of both weapons had the legal right to acquire them.

I still find the so-called “Gangster Auction” this past weekend revolting. Because I think it inherently offensive to traffic in instruments of murder – whether seller, buyer or auctioneer.

As it happens, the buying and selling of “murderabilia” – collectables related to killers and their crimes – has become a thriving cottage industry.

Indeed, in addition to the sale of Bonnie and Clyde’s weapons, RR Auction, based in Amherst, New Hampshire, also sold John Dillinger’s death mask and George “Baby Face” Nelson’s .38 Smith & Wesson revolver (which he referred to as his “lemon squeezer”).

Now, some may not consider RR’s “Gangster Auction” particularly disturbing since it was peddling the murderabilia of killers who committed their crimes way back in the Depression era; gangsters, like Bonnie and Clyde, have been dead more than three-quarters of a century.

But the passage of time has not taken the pain entirely away from 96-year-old, Ella Wheeler McLeod, the sister of the late Texas highway patrolman Edward Bryan Wheeler. A motorcycle cop, he was gunned down by Bonnie and Clyde, when he and his partner stopped by the outlaw couple’s car unwittingly thinking they needed help.

“I think about him every day,” McLeod said last year, on the anniversary of her brother Edward’s death. “He was always good to me,” she recalled. “He was my guardian angel.”

Neither RC Auction, nor the seller and buyer of Bonnie and Clyde’s weapons could care less about still-grieving Ella Wheeler.

And that’s why those traffickers in “murderabilia” are beneath contempt.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: auction; bonnieclyde; currentevents; truecrime
Bonnie and Clyde were glamorized in the movies, with Faye Dunaway playing the former and Warren Beatty the latter. But the fact is the outlaw couple were cold-blooded killers.
1 posted on 10/02/2012 11:08:20 AM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Freedom is such an ugly thing.
2 posted on 10/02/2012 11:12:27 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

And the writer’s opinion of Fast and Murderous is?

Just wonderin’.


3 posted on 10/02/2012 11:12:56 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
And that’s why those traffickers in “murderabilia” are beneath contempt.

I disagree..are we not to collect Hitler's personal items-that would be in the same category..

BTW the blood covered chair Lincoln sat in is in the Dearborn museum..people want to see this stuff..does not make them strange or ghoulish.

4 posted on 10/02/2012 11:15:24 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

This post is kind of on the whiny side for a conservative web site.

If people want to pay some outrageous sum of money for a murderer’s gun, that’s their business, not the business of some overly-sensitive sniveling Christian journalist.


5 posted on 10/02/2012 11:29:11 AM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Wonder what Clyde’s BAR would fetch?


6 posted on 10/02/2012 11:35:19 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
And that’s why those traffickers in “murderabilia” are beneath contempt.

On what Scripture do you base this feeling ??
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
7 posted on 10/02/2012 11:40:43 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
In all fairness, pretending that evil and villainy do not exist is far worse than glamorizing it. As a rule of thumb, people are not attracted to such things because they want to emulate the evil of their former owners, but because they want to understand it.

Why did the Catholic church commission and publish demonologies? So that their learned clergy could not just recognize demonic action, but identify it as such, as well as which demon was responsible. Likewise botanists and biologists carefully examine and describe poisonous and dangerous plants and animals.

Yet people are much more complex. No one will be interviewing Bonnie and Clyde anytime soon, and so what little record of their villainy remains is contained within a few objects.

Between the two, they killed 13 people, and committed kidnappings and armed robberies. As such, not very impressive for a couple of about 22-24 year olds. But what made them stand out was the size of the manhunt against them, as well as the publicity they received.

Why do we remember Jack the Ripper? For much the same reason. He was the first "tabloid serial killer", but other than that, not very impressive. Except for the newspapers, he would have been long forgotten.

Others, like Mumia Abu-Jamal, are nothing without their fan club. In his case, what he did and who he is are nothing compared to the leftist agenda that uses him as their poster boy. They do not care that he is guilty, just that they can use him to rally support against their political enemies.

Yet had they not embraced him, he might have been let out of prison long ago. So this is a two-edged sword.

Some wit noticed the inanity of embracing a murderer, despite his guilt, creating this t-shirt to sneer at it.


8 posted on 10/02/2012 11:43:59 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Just think,
should we destroy such weapons as the gun that killed Alexander Hamilton, or the gun that killed Lincoln, or Jessee James’, Billy the kid’s or any other weapon used in a famous killing? How about the knife used by Buffalo Bill to scalp Yellow Hand, in a small museum in Berryville, Arkansas.

NO!


9 posted on 10/02/2012 11:44:13 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST; MotleyGirl70; Cagey; Mr. Brightside; earlJam; Rb ver. 2.0; lesser_satan; ...
Frank Hamer, the Texas Ranger who led the posse,

I love a good posse.

10 posted on 10/02/2012 11:52:35 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Freedom has many faces. In America (for now) you can buy and sell as the market allows. Some people collect Barbies, some barbed wire and some the ephemera and hardgoods associated with criminals. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it.....(or bid in it).


11 posted on 10/02/2012 11:54:20 AM PDT by Donkey Odious
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Freedom has many faces. In America (for now) you can buy and sell as the market allows. Some people collect Barbies, some barbed wire and some the ephemera and hardgoods associated with criminals. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it.....(or bid in it).


12 posted on 10/02/2012 11:54:28 AM PDT by Donkey Odious
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Freedom has many faces. In America (for now) you can buy and sell as the market allows. Some people collect Barbies, some barbed wire and some the ephemera and hardgoods associated with criminals. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it.....(or bid in it).


13 posted on 10/02/2012 11:54:28 AM PDT by Donkey Odious
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To: NYCslicker

Have we no sympathy for crime victims or their survivors, like Ella Wheeler McLeod, the sister of the late Texas highway patrolman Edward Bryan Wheeler gunned down by Bonnie and Clyde?

Do we not care how she feels about those profiting from the sale of weapons that very well may have been used in her brother’s murder?


14 posted on 10/02/2012 12:08:14 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

My husband’s barber was a small child living on a farm near Arcadia, LA at this time. He was telling my husband that Bonnie and Clyde came to his parents farm for a period of time before their death for breakfast and dinner. Clyde would always give them $5.00 for the meal and the two of them helped with the chores. He received his first piece of candy from Bonnie. When they were killed on that day, the family figured out who they were and they were heading to the farm house again. Never know about the different sides of people.


15 posted on 10/02/2012 12:15:24 PM PDT by ussc1863
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

My husband’s barber was a small child living on a farm near Arcadia, LA at this time. He was telling my husband that Bonnie and Clyde came to his parents farm for a period of time before their death for breakfast and dinner. Clyde would always give them $5.00 for the meal and the two of them helped with the chores. He received his first piece of candy from Bonnie. When they were killed on that day, the family figured out who they were and they were heading to the farm house again. Never know about the different sides of people.


16 posted on 10/02/2012 12:21:53 PM PDT by ussc1863
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Items tied to famous events will always sell big. You can focus on items tied to famous criminals and whine, or you can focus on Hollywood memorabilia and probably still whine about people being shallow, or you can focus on other historical memorabilia like the Lincoln stuff that’s been auctioned recently and be happy. The choice is yours.


17 posted on 10/02/2012 12:31:33 PM PDT by discostu (Put another dime in the jukebox.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

“Caring” about people’s “feelings” is the worst reason in the world for denigrating the Constitutionally-protected liberties of a fellow citizen.

That way lies Sharia and other societal cancers.


18 posted on 10/02/2012 12:35:59 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (Wait a minute! Romney doesn't suck? I'm trying to keep up.)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Why don’t you go tell the Holocaust Museum that they are “beneath contempt”. Do you know what history is?


19 posted on 10/02/2012 12:36:41 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Somewhere out there there is Sergeant York's rifle, a couple used by Gunny Hathcock, The spear the Centurion used to poke the Lord Jesus, perhaps, even one of the knives which stabbed Julius Caesar.

All of these items have value beyond that simply of a weapon. Some were used for good, some ill, and one to fulfill Biblical prophesy.

That affects their market value, and the infamous and famous similarly increase in value with fame or notoriety.

These are mere props in events which affected the world. The evil (if any) was resident in the users, not the item itself.

20 posted on 10/02/2012 12:46:07 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Such things have value beyond their mere mechanical or artistic presence.
Better such things be bought & sold by willing participants, than compelling objecting taxpayers to fund their purchase, preservation & display.

Methinks it entirely appropriate for George Bush to own and display, and to donate as he saw fit, the Glock 18 (!) possessed by Saddam Hussein at his capture.


21 posted on 10/02/2012 12:51:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ussc1863

Ya know, without such items being bought and sold to someone’s consternation, a whole bunch of people would never have heard that fascinating little story.


22 posted on 10/02/2012 12:55:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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Do we not care how she feels about those profiting from the sale of weapons that very well may have been used in her brother’s murder?

I do not see your point. What do you mean? Why should she care a whit that those weapons are bought and sold? There is no logical connection.

23 posted on 10/02/2012 1:20:14 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

He should have taken the Thompson and the BAR.


24 posted on 10/02/2012 2:50:05 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ozzymandus

The Holocaust Museum is not trying to profit from the buying and selling of artifacts from the Holocaust.


25 posted on 10/02/2012 3:14:21 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST
Now I know the owners of the two weapons had the legal right to auction them off. And I know that the anonymous buyer of both weapons had the legal right to acquire them.

If you don't want to buy items like that -- DON'T!!

26 posted on 10/02/2012 3:18:59 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!)
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Are you sure you’re on the right site? You might be more comfortable at some anti-gun leftist gathering. Or maybe you could just mind your own business instead of “condemning” anything you don’t like.


27 posted on 10/02/2012 4:30:10 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ExCTCitizen

Most of the weapons used by Bonnie and Clyde (and many other hoods of that era) were stolen from rural National Guard armories. They were used once a month and left unguarded, and had proven a convenient place to store much of the leftover arms and equipment from World War I. When these weapons could be identified, they were returned to military stocks.

After long and varied “service lives”...there’s probably quite a bit more “murderabilia” out there in private hands today than anyone knows about.


28 posted on 10/02/2012 5:04:30 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: M1903A1

And for anyone curious, that .45 (made between 1913 and about 1917) would probably be worth about a hundredth of that price as just another old .45.


29 posted on 10/02/2012 5:07:48 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: ozzymandus

I’m absolutely pro-Second Amendment. I do not condemn guns. Just those who use guns to kill innocent people.


30 posted on 10/02/2012 6:04:07 PM PDT by CHRISTIAN DIARIST
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To: M1903A1

Yup. Depending on condition, it would probably bring between $500 (junk) and $3000 (near mint).


31 posted on 10/02/2012 6:50:26 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: CHRISTIAN DIARIST

Sympathy is a separate matter.

No one is saying you can’t have sympathy. I just fail to see how someone profiting or not profiting from the sale of these items denotes either on the one hand sympathy or on the other hand a lack of sympathy.

Should the news report that occurred as a result of the news items generated from the murder be outlawed from running commercials during the news segment? That’s profit.

Should the newspaper that reports the the story not be able to sell that issue? That’s profit.

Should the undertaker who buries the body not be paid for his services? That’s profit.

Should this website not get donations to upkeep this website because people come here and post posts like this that draw people to comment on them? In as sense that’s “profit.”

So there are a number of parties that “profit” when someone is murdered. Does that mean those parties are evil? Of course not.

Simply saying something generates profit from the sale of a weapon of murder, and that sale is evil or wrong, fails to separate the act of murder itself, which is wrong, from the object of murder. In fact its the same argument that liberals use to justify gun control.

Remember: Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. Its fairly easy to kill someone with a pencil if you know what you are doing and have positive and determined intent to do so (which I do not advocate, I’m just trying to illustrate a point.)

So, as Thomas Friedman liked to say, consider the logical consequences of the policies you advocate. You’ve confused that which is evil, the act of murder, with something which need not be either evil or non-evil, i.e. capitalist activity in a free society. And consider the ramifications of your logic of the economic activities of a free people, ramifications to be used by liberals on trade, used by liberals on commerce, used by liberals on taxes, and ultimately as is always the case, used by liberals to *LIMIT MAN’S NATURAL RIGHTS IN THE NAME OF A FABRICATED AND ARTIFICIAL MORALITY* (think Obamacare.)

The defense rests your Honor.


32 posted on 10/04/2012 8:36:56 PM PDT by NYCslicker
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To: Gamecock

you would


33 posted on 10/07/2012 9:27:01 PM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: Gamecock

as I said, you would, but I forgot the :)

don’t want to sound sarcastic...well, maybe a little...:)


34 posted on 10/08/2012 3:44:03 PM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: Taffini; Larry Lucido; F15Eagle

What’s not to love about a posse?

Get away from the job, camp out, you’re with your friends... Come on, it’s a week-long game of hide-and-seek on horseback.


35 posted on 10/08/2012 3:48:56 PM PDT by Gamecock
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