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Joel Gilbert Really Is Lying To You (Dreams From My Real Father)
Barackryphal ^ | 10/06/12 | Loren Collins

Posted on 10/06/2012 7:27:23 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man

"Dreams From My Real Father" is one giant hoax continues...


(Title and graphic inspired by Joel Gilbert)

At the end of my last post, I mentioned that I had two developments in my research on Joel Gilbert that came too late to be included in my initial series on him and his movie, and so I would be following up with those two. This is the first of those developments.

In Part 5 of my series, "Joel Gilbert's Phantom Evidence", I discussed a number of claims that don't actually appear in Dreams From My Real Father, but which Joel Gilbert has taken to repeating in interviews.

For instance, on October 4, Gilbert told his interviewer that Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis were intimate, and he said the following to support his claim (at about the 30:14 mark):

Gilbert: "We do have photos of them together in various compromising positions, we did cover things up to be respectful."
Now if you've watched Dreams From My Real Father, you know that the movie contains precisely ZERO photos of Ann and Frank "together". Not in compromising positions, or even in casual situations. There are no photos whatsoever of the two of them even sharing a frame. And he hasn't released such photos anywhere else. Gilbert is clearly not referring to photos he has secreted away; his qualifier about "cover[ing] things up to be respectful" makes no sense if the photos are just sitting on his hard drive.

No, Gilbert is telling his radio audience that he has pictures of Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis "together in various compromising positions," and he wants them to believe that such photos are in his movie. But they're not. He knows they're not. He's lying.

But that's not the biggest lie that Gilbert has invented for interviews and the radio. Here is how WND's Jerome Corsi describes Joel Gilbert's Hawaiian 'investigation':

Before releasing a small sample of the pin-up photographs he claims shows a nude Ann Dunham posing for Davis, Gilbert undertook extensive research.

He traveled to Hawaii to inspect and photograph the Honolulu address that the FBI file documents as Davis’ residence beginning in 1956...

“The Davis house is an English Tudor architectural style dwelling, very uncommon for the Hawaii islands,” Gilbert told WND. “There are no similar houses in the neighborhood or anywhere else that I visited in Hawaii.”

The current owner of the house gave Gilbert permission to enter, photograph and document the house. “The flooring in the photos of Ann stands out, as at first glance it appears to be expensive wood flooring,” he said. “However, once inside the house and peeling away a corner covered with layers of linoleum, I realized that it was a simple piece of plywood that had been varnished.”

Gilbert found one complete original piece of plywood in a shed behind the house that was an exact match to the flooring in the setting where the “Ann Dunham and friends” pin-up photographs were taken.

Noteworthy also were the windows appearing in the pin-up photos. “The windows in the living room of Frank’s house were tall and narrow – a design unique to English Tudor style houses,” he noted.

“The windows at 2994 Kalihi Street appear to match the tall, narrow windows with their bottom sill low to the floorboards seen in the pin-up photos.”

Gilbert took measurements of the windows and the floor at various angles, as well as video footage and still photographs of the living room.

Also, here is Gilbert on Alex Jones:

"I actually went to the house in Hawaii...and we took the measurements and found that that was the house, and the photos are traced to Davis."
And I'm not about to list all the numerous times Gilbert has repeated this in his nine appearances on Peter Boyles' show. Listen for yourself if you're interested.

I pointed out before that although Gilbert keeps discussing these supposed findings of his, he has yet to actually show any of these photos or videos of the house. What I learned this Monday was WHY.

On Monday, October 1, I finally got the chance to speak with the owner of 2994 Kalihi Street. He'd been wondering when or if anyone would reach out to him about Gilbert's movie. We spoke for over 45 minutes, and during that time, he told me just how dishonest Gilbert's account has been.

It turns out that Gilbert originally contacted the owner (who I'll call "Jack") in the latter months of 2011, claiming to be with the History Channel. He said that he was working on a program about the poetry of Frank Marshall Davis, and wanted permission to visit Davis' house as part of his research.

It wasn't until March or April of 2012 that Gilbert finally asked to schedule a visit. By this point, Jack, who knew a little about the conspiracy theories circulating about Davis and his house, was suspicious of Gilbert. But he allowed him to come to the house, and even allowed him to come in to take photos. Jack had a hunch he knew what Gilbert was going to be looking for, and he thought that by letting him see the interior for himself, that Gilbert would see and understand that the nude pictures were not taken inside the house at 2994 Kalihi.

Jack's suspicions about Gilbert were confirmed when Gilbert whipped out a measuring tape. Gilbert had not previously asked to do any measuring, and Jack naturally recognized that the dimensions of his rooms would be utterly irrelevant to a History Channel documentary about Davis' poetry.

As Jack explained to me, what's the truth about the floors in his house? The truth is that they don't match the floors in the nude photos. The windows? They don't match the iwindows in the nude photos. The room seen in the published photos is plainly not a room inside the house at 2994 Kalihi Street.

Thus, it took Jack quite by surprise when a friend contacted him after Gilbert began promoting his movie, to let Jack know what was being said about his house. What he found surprised him. Whereas he had thought that by letting Gilbert inside the house that it would make Gilbert realize that his theory was wrong, Gilbert had instead gone a different route: he had simply decided to lie about what he found in Jack's house. He lied about the floors. He lied about the windows. He lied about finding the room from the photos. And that wasn't all: Gilbert's claim to have found "a complete original piece of plywood" in a shed that matched the flooring in the photos? That didn't happen at all, says Jack.

What's more, Jack was later contacted by Jerome Corsi himself, and Jack told him as well how his house bore no resemblance to the room seen in the photos. And displaying a complete disregard for journalistic integrity, Corsi simply ignored what Jack told him, and instead has reported Gilbert's story as the truth.

Now I'm sure some people will read this post and respond with "Why doesn't Jack show pictures proving his house doesn't match the photos?" Several reasons:

1) If I were to post pictures of the inside of Jack's house, there would be no way for me to prove to readers that it actually was the inside of *Jack's* house. It could just as easily be the interior of some other house. Such an objection would certainly be inevitable from people who want to believe Gilbert; if they don't trust my account of Jack, they're not going to trust the pictures either.
2) Even if it were conceded that the photos did indeed depict the house at 2994 Kalihi, the next inevitable objection would be that he and I had simply omitted pictures of some part of the house. A particular room, or even just a particular angle of a room. So once again, people would find a reason to conclude the pictures were unsatisfactory.
3) Apart from the issue of whether such pictures would actually persuade Gilbert's faithful, Jack is simply not interested in sacrificing his privacy to the extent of posting extensive pictures of the interior of his home on the internet. Certainly not in an effort to satisfy the doubts of some conspiracy theorists. Remember, any such photos are automatically tied to his street address; ask yourself if you would publish a bunch of photos of the inside of your house, tagged with your street address.
4) Finally it's not Jack's burden to prove that it's not his house in the nude photos. Nor is it mine. Joel Gilbert is the one who has claimed, again and again and again, that he found proof that the rooms match. That he took pictures and video showing that they match. And yet he put NONE of that in his movie, and he's produced NONE of that to the public, even though it's been six months since he visited Jack's house, and even though he continues to tout his 'investigation' in interviews.

(Notice, too, that I couldn't care less about Gilbert's claims about "measurements." Numbers that Gilbert himself wrote on paper isn't proof that those numbers are reflective of the inside of Jack's house, or that they're accurate estimates of what's seen in the published photos; remember, I've established that Gilbert knowingly lies to his audience. Also, I think the photos only show a total of two walls in the room, so any comparison of measurements would be speculative at best.)

Joel says he has the photos and video to prove his claims, so it falls to him to produce those photos and/or video to back those claims up. It's not Jack's job to sacrifice his privacy to prove Joel wrong. Joel already lied to Jack about why he wanted to come into the house in the first place, and he already lied to the world at large about what he found there.

And that's why you're never going to see those photos or video of 2994 Kalihi Street from Joel Gilbert. Not in his movies, not in his ads, not on his website, and not in WND articles that Jerome Corsi writes about him. He'll talk about them on the radio, where he can't be asked to show anything. But to show any actual photos he took would only prove what a liar he is.

Joel Gilbert. He lies to his research subjects about who he works for. He lies about what he's researching and why. And he lies about his findings to his audience.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics
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The entire series...


1 posted on 10/06/2012 7:27:27 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

You are a brave soul. I can recall simply arguing that the interview with brother George in Desouza’s film completely convinced me that Frank Marshall Davis is definitely not related to Barack Obama (at least genetically) and got flamed over it.

Keep up the good work. There is so much to despise about this administration and the cabal that installed him, that there is absolutely no reason to make stuff up.


2 posted on 10/06/2012 7:44:09 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Is Loren still a homo?


3 posted on 10/06/2012 7:53:56 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN

Why? ...you lookin’ for a date?


4 posted on 10/06/2012 7:59:30 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Tex-Con-Man

FMD is the ideological father of BO, if not his biological father.


5 posted on 10/06/2012 8:04:42 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: Tex-Con-Man

Your ‘response’ illustrates why Loren is not to be taken seriously: I made an oblique accusation, to which you responded without addressing the ‘accusation’. Loren has done the same thing in his ‘faux’ analysis of the Gilbert ‘obliquatory acusations’. Thanks for your participation in showing why Loren is dus no credulity any more than Gilbert is due any of the same. Little barry bastard faggot commie depends upon a dissonance factor in order to prevent the truth of his natality from being seen. Do you really want to help him?


6 posted on 10/06/2012 8:06:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: MHGinTN
Do you believe FMD is Obama's real father? Some here do. If so, point out the flaws in Loren's analysis. Personal attacks don't count.
7 posted on 10/06/2012 8:14:15 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Tex-Con-Man; All
ahahahah

It's NOT the house but WE are not going to back up our claim with any evidence - just take our word for it ‘cause we say so.

I found the Gilbert documentary to be pretty seamless - and the evidence has ALL been out there - in pieces - for anyone who has been paying attention.

Gilbert took all those puzzle pieces and completed the picture. It was DAVIS who was intricately tied up with the Dunham family - who took the photos - (BTW, did I miss where this writer disproves that the photos ARE of Ann? - that’;s the salient question.) .

It was Davis who was the prominent male figure in ‘bummer's life, his teacher/companion/mentor through high school - it was to Davis's Chicago circle of communists that ‘bummer was folded into...and it is THEIR cause that he was programmed to carry out. He is a PPP - Pretty Programmed Puppet who has his two commie handlers at his side - predominantly Vallerie - hard core commie (daddy and Davis friends)who introduced mooseShell and bummer and it is Vallerie who is the real power, makes the decisions, in the O office.

It is the facial similarities, structure, to Davis (I'm a portrait artist, trained in familial characteristics - he has NO similarities to the Kenyan.) He did inherit the longer face from the Dunham side, but the underlying muscle structure that results in unique expressions, is striking. And unless Ann had a twin, it's quite evident that Davis's model is the daughter of his friend, Stanley D.

Gilbert has handed us the puzzle box top - with the whole picture - so we can see how the box full of pieces fit together.

The bummer camp have tried desperately to scrub this documentary from being seen...the producers were wise enough to first send out millions of copies to the public so that when their links are shut down and the YouTube clips are scrubbed over and over, new ones pop up. They can't contain it. So they're trying to discredit it. Hopefully, people will actually WATCH the film before swallowing the flimsy rhetoric of the spin-doctors tasked with damage control. There isn[t much in the film that can't be found if one does due diligence, even WITH the massive scrub-machine that has been on overtime ever since - or before - bummer took office.

8 posted on 10/06/2012 8:39:42 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does)
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To: Blogger
Unlike Gilbert's hackumentary, this is a well researched and serious look at FMD and his relationship with Obama...

In his memoir, Barack Obama omits the full name of his mentor, simply calling him “Frank.” Now, the truth is out: Never has a figure as deeply troubling and controversial as Frank Marshall Davis had such an impact on the development of an American president.

Although other radical influences on Obama, from Jeremiah Wright to Bill Ayers, have been scrutinized, the public knows little about Davis, a card-carrying member of the Communist Party USA, cited by the Associated Press as an “important influence” on Obama, one whom he “looked to” not merely for “advice on living” but as a “father” figure.

9 posted on 10/06/2012 8:43:07 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: maine-iac7
Apparently you haven't read the entire series (See post #1).

The author addresses the photo and proves it couldn't be Stanley Ann Dunham.

Read through all 7 and get back to me.

10 posted on 10/06/2012 8:47:45 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Thanks for posting that.

T's crossed, I’s dotted

glad I'm not the only one in here who's is not swallowing the flimsy damage control rhetoric.

Gilbert's documentary is pretty seamless - the puzzle pieces fitted together into the whole picture.

11 posted on 10/06/2012 8:49:36 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does)
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To: Tex-Con-Man; All

Anyone who has seen photos of George Obama pretty much realizes that FM Davis is not Obama’s father....George and Barack Jr look so much alike...which would confirm that Barack Sr is Jr’s father.

Also, most of the “FM Davis is Obama’s Father” folks are as “Anti-Birther as MSNBC and some in the GOP Media. To prove that FM Davis is really Obama’s father....you still need that Real Hawaii Birth Certificate. The FM Davis-Obama Father crowd seems to be a covert front for Liberals and RINOs to try to keep the Obama Eligibility folks from gaining more support


12 posted on 10/06/2012 8:52:38 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: SeminoleCounty

As a biologist I find your stupid assumption exactly that. I didn’t realize that you had run DNA profiles on each of these morons. Yes, your insane assumption clearly settles the issue. Geeze!


13 posted on 10/06/2012 9:18:55 AM PDT by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Doc Savage

As a biologist I find your stupid assumption exactly that. I didn’t realize that you had run DNA profiles on each of these morons. Yes, your insane assumption clearly settles the issue. Geeze!


Actually, you would not need an education to figure out that George Obama and Barack Jr look so much alike....Barack Sr is the same father. FM Davis is not Obama’s father.

Judging by your response to my post...I can tell you have little education....so there is hope yet for you to figure this out


14 posted on 10/06/2012 9:27:45 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Political maturity is realizing that the "R" next to someone's name does not mean "conservative")
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To: newheart

I was also stunned by the traits shared by both Barack and George Obama. But the reason for that is obvious: FMD is also George’s father. Or maybe Ann Dunham is his mother. Yeah, that’s the ticket.


15 posted on 10/06/2012 10:13:02 AM PDT by giotto
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To: giotto
Yeah, that’s the ticket.

LOL.

16 posted on 10/06/2012 10:23:28 AM PDT by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
1) If I were to post pictures of the inside of Jack's house, there would be no way for me to prove to readers that it actually was the inside of *Jack's* house. It could just as easily be the interior of some other house. Such an objection would certainly be inevitable from people who want to believe Gilbert; if they don't trust my account of Jack, they're not going to trust the pictures either.

2) Even if it were conceded that the photos did indeed depict the house at 2994 Kalihi, the next inevitable objection would be that he and I had simply omitted pictures of some part of the house. A particular room, or even just a particular angle of a room. So once again, people would find a reason to conclude the pictures were unsatisfactory.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but in this era of digital movie cameras and YouTube, why would still photos be argued for/against?

A movie starting with the house owner, showing the house exterior and address, followed by a complete house walk-through would be a better product to argue "it's not this house", wouldn't it?

17 posted on 10/06/2012 10:31:12 AM PDT by Col Freeper (FR: A smorgasbord of Conservative Mindfood - dig in and enjoy it!)
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To: Col Freeper
The burden would fall to Gilbert to provide the videos and photos he claims to have, to prove it is the house.
18 posted on 10/06/2012 11:07:14 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: newheart
Referring to Tex Con Man
You are a brave soul.

Brave my @ss. He's just an obstinate sob. He dismisses proof before the fact of it being proven false.

It turns out he appears to be correct regarding Gilbert, though one is not normally accustomed to hearing lies from Conservatives, that tends to be a tactic of the Liberal side of the Aisle.

19 posted on 10/06/2012 6:01:20 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Joel Gilbert. He lies to his research subjects about who he works for. He lies about what he's researching and why. And he lies about his findings to his audience.

Of his activities, only the last do I fault him for. James O'keefe told Acorn people he was a pimp trying to import under aged girls for prostitution. Had he told the truth, he would have gotten no-where.

The tactic of lying to people to get a story is a well respected tactic throughout all of mainstream journalism. Lying to your audience is not.

20 posted on 10/06/2012 6:05:31 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Tex-Con-Man
Do you believe FMD is Obama's real father? Some here do. If so, point out the flaws in Loren's analysis. Personal attacks don't count.

I pointed out a flaw, and you didn't respond. Has LorenC found any of the original three photographs in a magazine prior to 1960? My recollection is that the answer is no.

I, and I assume others, were merely accepting Gilbert's word that the subsequent seven photos he discovered were of the same woman and taken at the same time as the original three. Now that it's been pointed out that at least one of the Gilbert photos was in a 1958 magazine (and we still only have LorenC's word on that) we can argue as to whether the girl in those pictures is the same girl in the original three.

There is some resemblance, but I cannot say for certain that the Gilbert photos either are, or are not of the same girl. Apparently the photo setting was regularly used to photograph a series of women for men's magazines.

21 posted on 10/06/2012 6:13:57 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: maine-iac7
(BTW, did I miss where this writer disproves that the photos ARE of Ann? - that’;s the salient question.) .

If you can take LorenC at his word, he did disprove that the seven photographs that Gilbert found are Stanley Ann. LorenC claims to have found one of them in a 1958 men's magazine, making it impossible for them to be Stanley Ann.

There is still a real possibility that the woman in the Original three photographs is not the same woman in the subsequently discovered Gilbert Photographs, but I would not put a great deal of confidence in this possibility.

22 posted on 10/06/2012 6:18:18 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: SeminoleCounty
I cannot remember how many times i've seen examples of men being told "You are NOT the father" after having so women repeat that the baby looks like him.

I also cannot remember how many times i've directed people to the website of that Canadian photographer who collects photos of non related people that have a high degree of resemblance.

Resemblance is indicative, not proof. I personally don't see the resemblance you are referring to regarding George Obama and Barack Obama (Funny, the African is named "George", and the supposed American is named "Barack.") but it may be because the video I looked at was too small.

Obama certainly doesn't treat George like he's family. Why would one let one's brother live in such poverty when a few thousand dollars would dramatically improve his conditions?

23 posted on 10/06/2012 6:37:25 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Gilbert’s documentary mentions Zero got a nose job so as to not look so much like his father, I believe as a way of gaining acceptance amidst certain people. In view of the overall content of this documentary, I can see why Zero’s people would come out of the woodwork to scrub it from view. It is damning. Turns up on Netflix. One of the creepiest documentaries I’ve ever seen. In view of Zero’s actions since becoming President, I find it to be disconcerting - how so many people were so easily duped by the “Hope and Change” mantras.

Should we discard out of hand the notion that, instead of electing the son of a Kenyan goat herder, we elected the son of Communist agitator?


24 posted on 10/14/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (ABO to the core.)
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