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What's the Point of Donating If We Can't Access This Site at Peak Times?
October 12, 2012 | Self

Posted on 10/11/2012 9:54:00 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark

I have to ask this very seriously, do you know that this site has been completely unusable to perhaps thousands and thousands of others during either the first Presidential or Vice-Presidential debate and for an hour or so after their respective conclusions?

This has never happened in previous election cycles during debates, election night results or during large breaking news events. Slow? Yes. Unusable, no.

I've had multiple tabs opened for the debates this year and the FR one just wheel spin, wheel spin, wheel spin... blank page, no progress bar moving on the address bar. It's just the internet equivalent of dead air for hours.

If you're getting this during a VP debate I fully expect this site to be dead and inaccessible from 6PM-4AM election night.

Update us would you? What's going on?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: burn; crash; fr; freepathon
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1 posted on 10/11/2012 9:54:09 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Sorry, I’m fresh out of ideas. I’m sure John will get it solved, but I don’t know when. I’m hoping there are still enough people donating to keep FR going through this rough spot.


2 posted on 10/11/2012 10:00:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Denial of Service attacks, perhaps?


3 posted on 10/11/2012 10:00:58 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
I completely agree. This is ridiculous! I know it's not politically correct to say this around here, but at what point does the equipment for this site get upgraded, or replaced?

I've already purposed that I won't even waste my time coming here for the next presidential debate.

4 posted on 10/11/2012 10:01:16 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Thank goodness for Free Republic -- a beacon of truth amidst the lies of the state-run media. Supporting this valuable resource is just a click away. Generous donations from Constitutional Conservatives will ensure that Free Republic remains fast, responsive and reliable in these perilous times.
5 posted on 10/11/2012 10:02:03 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Artcore

Sorry for my little rant...just a bit frustrated. And yes, I will be making my donation.


6 posted on 10/11/2012 10:03:24 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

No, it’s just election year traffic IMHO.


7 posted on 10/11/2012 10:04:18 PM PDT by UltraV (I use the term Leftist not liberal, because a true liberal would not support government censorship.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Jim, I would doubt it’s through put. Can you tell if you’re being attacked. The timing is... interesting.


8 posted on 10/11/2012 10:04:32 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Being an IT professional, I would suggest that he run it in the cloud, that way it scales, is reliable, and it can add servers dynamically....I do this all the time for customers who have much bigger problems.....

Amazon, Azure, etc.


9 posted on 10/11/2012 10:06:13 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: UltraV

There are always a lot of freepers and lurkers here at any one time. It has been consistent that on things that could hurt Dims, the site is slow.


10 posted on 10/11/2012 10:06:50 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

It doesn’t seem to be a lack of server power as JimRob said on the live thread that they were operating no where near capacity. It must be a network bottleneck of some sort.

I’d say it’s going to take a careful step-by-step approach to pin the problem down. It would be easier to do it when the servers are under heavy load. You could then change things one at a time to find out what’s going wrong. Not sure how to put such a load on the servers unless you were to trouble shoot during a debate, and that would cause lots of grief.

Perhaps a limited DOS attack by a group of freepers in the wee hours could put enough load to help diagnose this?

Network problems are not my strong suit, I work on embedded stuff and it’s far removed from such a topic....just thinking out loud here.


11 posted on 10/11/2012 10:08:52 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

Most conservative posters and lurkers come when big news is happening. Like now. Occam’s razor.


12 posted on 10/11/2012 10:09:58 PM PDT by UltraV (I use the term Leftist not liberal, because a true liberal would not support government censorship.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
The volume of traffic here says a lot. Nothing wrong with a conservative site like FR getting this much volume, it's reassuring..
13 posted on 10/11/2012 10:11:09 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: BereanBrain

That sounds well-reasoned!
Can you rent cloud capacity by the hour?


14 posted on 10/11/2012 10:11:16 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

No, no, no.. Bandwidth and/or the inability for the FR scripts to handle a flood of posts simultaneously. Too many viewers attempting to post simultaneously!


15 posted on 10/11/2012 10:11:28 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, with all due respect you need to consider a professional hosting option if you’re still physically hosting this on a set of machines you’re actually reaching out and maintaining.

If you’re getting hit with DNS attacks during these times, which would not surprise me, so would any number of political sites on the right and left. I lurk on maybe 12-15 sites during peak times and this is the only one where uptime is an issue.


16 posted on 10/11/2012 10:12:39 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: UltraV
Understood, but having been here on September 11th, launch of the Afghanistan and Iraq Wars, getting access to the site was not a problem.
17 posted on 10/11/2012 10:13:40 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Been a registered and paying member since 2000. I love this site. But it’s gotta get some major improvement. Not just performance, but the forums and everything need to be upgraded to newer formats and platforms. Now, I end up on twitter during major events to get my news and commentary. I hope they can fix this, but frankly this site looks and operates like it did when I joined in 2000.


18 posted on 10/11/2012 10:14:04 PM PDT by gswilder
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To: BereanBrain

Only downside to the cloud environment is that you’re at the mercy of your host node. Then again, I do favor dedicated hardware so I’m a bit bias in that regard.


19 posted on 10/11/2012 10:14:27 PM PDT by Txngal
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To: Artcore

If your having trouble getting on FR. Do what quite a few female freepers do....clean house, use the washing machine, take the clothes out of the dryer and fold. If its a real long time, scrub the kitchen floor.....:O)


20 posted on 10/11/2012 10:18:19 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Jim Robinson

It seems like the OP was asking about the relationship between donations and performance.

There is some relationship, right?


21 posted on 10/11/2012 10:18:24 PM PDT by epic stache
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To: Txngal

host node begone! Dynamic IP provisioning is what they do now, along with load balancers!


22 posted on 10/11/2012 10:19:41 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
What's the Point of Donating If We Can't Access This Site at Peak Times?

Donate more!

23 posted on 10/11/2012 10:20:02 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

This site is beyond slow even in off peak hours.


24 posted on 10/11/2012 10:22:19 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Too bad all of those Mitt supporters have been tossed off the site.


25 posted on 10/11/2012 10:22:45 PM PDT by Last of the Mohicans
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To: gunsequalfreedom

What’s the Point of Donating If We Can’t Access This Site at Peak Times?

“Donate more!”

Sorry, the Conservative in me has been conditioned to believe that unless the proposed solution is different than the the one being tried throwing money at it won’t change anything.


26 posted on 10/11/2012 10:23:18 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Are we sure that this is all the fault of FR? I’m no expert, but I never, ever have a hard time getting on FR or posting, no matter what’s going on. Sure, sometimes it’s a little slow, but I never have to wait more than five seconds or so. And I don’t have fancy machinery at all. But I live near DC, Verizon is my broadband carrier, and I have to share my bandwidth with a son who’s gaming. So is it possible that some of the people who are having trouble are having trouble with their particular route to the California servers of FR?

I dunno, just a thought. It’s just that some of us never have a problem, there has to be an explanation for that.


27 posted on 10/11/2012 10:25:18 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

yes it is..


28 posted on 10/11/2012 10:25:18 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: Last of the Mohicans

That depends on what the meaning of “All” is.


29 posted on 10/11/2012 10:26:51 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Article already posted:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2943599/posts


30 posted on 10/11/2012 10:29:10 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Years back, I was in charge of a site that faced millions of hits during competitions. We had what sounds like a similar problem. The server and even network seemed to be operating well and handling the volume. It was the software we had installed to track hits that was hanging up and bringing things to a crawl. I wish I could remember the specific software.


31 posted on 10/11/2012 10:29:32 PM PDT by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Squarespace offers 24/7 support UNLIMITED bandwidth, UNLIMITED storage for $16.00 a month. Running a secure web site shouldn’t be a big deal in today’s technology.


32 posted on 10/11/2012 10:32:12 PM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel (a government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have)
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To: Jim Robinson
I know nothing about how this works, but maybe this information will be helpful. I couldn't access the site at all (tonight during the debate and during the last one). Both times my parents could access the site, but they said it was slow.

This could be a personal problem though, after giving up on FR I tried to turn on the tv and found my satellite box was broken. I was almost desperate enough to resort to smoke signals :)

33 posted on 10/11/2012 10:33:43 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
It was most likely a DNS attack, not much can be done to prevent that.

While we are all gathered here, is your name on the list of monthly donors?

34 posted on 10/11/2012 10:43:54 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Artcore

It’s about damned time!


35 posted on 10/11/2012 10:45:21 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

No, it is not.


36 posted on 10/11/2012 10:48:32 PM PDT by PittsburghAfterDark
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim I could get through occasionally but things were just overloading. We should expect to get hit, the rats are running scared and crazier than usual. It's working 100% now.

I only see some names appear to bitch about something, they never take part in anything else.

37 posted on 10/11/2012 10:49:33 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

I couldn’t get on either but I’m not complaining. It’s because there were so many concerned posters, this website could not handle them all. To me, it’s a good thing. It means we are very concerned about the political situation we face today. I went over to the political section of www.citydata.com to make my feelings felt. See my post under Vinyly and ‘That Ryan/Bidden Debate Tonight’. Which you all too must get on to make your feelings felt vs. the left-wingers. We are nearly all conservative here, but over there you get to rumble and ruffle the hair of left wingnuts.


38 posted on 10/11/2012 10:52:34 PM PDT by Vinylly
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To: Jim Robinson
At first I thought that when people mentioned a “denial of service” attack, that was ridiculous. But I couldn't get through to post on either the Presidential or Vice Presidential debates, and then my server would go down for no reason. About 20 minutes after the debates, my server was fine and I could post on Free Republic or anywhere else no problem. I don't know much about computers, it was just me on my iPad watching the debate but after trying to access FR, my RR high speed wouldn't work at all until after the debate and then no problem.
39 posted on 10/11/2012 10:57:15 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Sorry, the Conservative in me has been conditioned to believe that unless the proposed solution is different than the the one being tried throwing money at it won’t change anything.

I've been on here since 2000 and only very rarely have I had access trouble. I do remember though when people would forget to turn off a BOLD tag and every post after that would be bold until someone switched it off. Those were good days.

You are correct that the problem needs to be addressed though. It is a fun time to be able to come here during an event. I'm sure JimRob will figure out something. FR has been worth every donation I have made.

40 posted on 10/11/2012 11:11:15 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Lots of people here trying to access one particular thread, bottleneck somewhere because of that????
Just thinking that could be right up there with a real DOS attack?
41 posted on 10/11/2012 11:27:09 PM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

I don’t know if others have noticed but it is not only during big events. It also seems to happen much more when there are Freepathons.

I’ve wondered if there are disgruntled ex-freepers that might get a jolly off running a DOS. Especially during fund-raising and large events.


42 posted on 10/11/2012 11:30:01 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Last of the Mohicans

PING


43 posted on 10/11/2012 11:33:25 PM PDT by DRey (Ryan/Cruz 2020)
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To: The Cajun

If denial of service is a problem, FR could make connections secure at login and IP whitelist forum usage. Could even use certificates installed on server and in browser.


44 posted on 10/11/2012 11:42:00 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs ("Trizzle, trazzle, trozzle, trome, time for this one to come home" - Mr Wizard)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

That 9/11 thread is amazing history. It wouldn’t be possible with FR unable to handle a lot of people wanting to post at once. I’m sad about next week and election night. I miss FR.

I bet there would be a ton of solid donations if there were an explanation and guarantee that FR would be able to handle huge volumes on big days.

Why can some chat rooms hold thousands of people? There must be a solution. And I’d love to help pay for it, once it’s explained.


45 posted on 10/11/2012 11:46:35 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Was really wondering if a bunch of FReepers trying to access the same thread at one time could possibly mimic a real DOS attack due to some configuration problem.
Just taking a *SWAG* at it.
46 posted on 10/12/2012 12:00:58 AM PDT by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Last of the Mohicans
They weren't tossed, they left. Romney isn't the first choice for many of us, he is only a lesser evil. Many of us were doing all we could do to get a real conservative nominated, others insisted on undermining the effort, and they got called out on it, got their feelings hurt and left.

We can be pretty sure of one thing, Romney's choice of Paul Ryan was the result of conservative efforts. Without that he may well have picked someone far less conservative.

47 posted on 10/12/2012 12:04:51 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: anyone

Ace of Spades and Hot Air had similar problems last night. Not fair to rip on FR.


48 posted on 10/12/2012 12:22:41 AM PDT by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members http://www.freerepublic.com/foof the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Well, we could fill up the pages with all kinds of ads from anyone and everyone, even those who have agenda’s we don’t care for.

A ford logo here, a Solyndra logo there...pretty soon we are Huffington post and have to listen to drivel from idiots.

You want it this way or Huffpo?

I know, you were just venting. hell, even I do it.

Long live Jim Thompson!!!


49 posted on 10/12/2012 1:13:40 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark

Understood, but on the other side, Jum keeps taking flak from always “begging for money” and many work very hard to keep FR funded and free from becoming a commercial-ridden site. If you want to belong to an exclusive club, you need to make sure it is properly funded.


50 posted on 10/12/2012 3:46:57 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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