Posted on 10/12/2012 2:37:06 PM PDT by Chuckmorse
The debate between VP nominees Joe Biden and Paul Ryan reminded me of the debates I've had over the years with left-wingers on my radio show and privately. Left-wingers think nothing of lying and playing dirty because they believe in power and in the principle that anything goes to keep their power. Regarding the Biden-Ryan debate I read a post-debate tweet from a left-wing talk show host who claimed that Biden "creamed" Ryan. From a left prospective he is right.
Biden did everything he could to dominate the debate and to stop Ryan from talking including constant rude interruptions and the assumption of variations of the type of ugly and insulting mannerisms that I've seen left-wingers take on in similar situations including smirking, smiling, cooing, gurgling, giggling, waving his arms and throwing out weird slang expressions. In other words, in true revolutionary fashion, Biden jumped ugly on Ryan.
Paul Ryan, like most conservatives, is a normal person who chose to focus on issues and statistics. But this is where Ryan, like most conservatives in similar situations, fell short in the field of battle. As difficult as it is, conservatives have to be prepared to play as dirty as the left and Ryan's approach was all too decent. Thus Ryan perhaps forfeited he field to the bully Biden.
This does not by any means mean that Ryan lost the debate or that his performance in any way negatively affected the Romney-Ryan momentum. That remains to be seen. Hopefully, the voters will look beyond what the media is focused on which is the style and the appearances of the candidates and the horse-race. Instead, hopefully, the voter will ask which side they trust more to deal with unemployment, rising prices, and looming problems of the coming years such as the effects of the exploding debt and deficit and the nuclear development in Iran.
Not bullied, more like bowled over by Raditz and Biden tag teaming him.
This guy?
Ryan should not have let Biden lie about Ryan sending him a letter requesting stimulus funds.
Mr. Ryan is too much of a gentleman to be bullied by such a rectal orifice.
I disagree somewhat about this part: “But this is where Ryan, like most conservatives in similar situations, fell short in the field of battle. As difficult as it is, conservatives have to be prepared to play as dirty as the left and Ryan’s approach was all too decent. Thus Ryan perhaps forfeited he field to the bully Biden.”
It is true that Ryan should have refused to be so-often interrupted by his opponent and the moderator, as Romney so admirably refused to do last week.
But for the most part, Ryan’s cool-but-not-cold demeanor was perfect for assuring UNDECIDED voters — the true intended audience, after all — that “I’m the mature, sober, serious one who is NOT rattled by this fossilized clown of a VP over here.” Biden was trying to rattle Ryan, and that failed. (Biden also was trying to rouse the base, but who cares? They’re already in the bag for Obama.)
No he was not bullied . I admire him for tolerating that old coot for an hour and a half with out hitting the nurse button so Biden could go suck on some tapioca.
Ryan admitted it though.
Yeah!!! That is pretty much my thought too.
HGe wasn’t bullied, he was harassed and annoyed, but Biden inspired no fear in the man. Biden was like a happy drunk. In fact he probably was a happy drunk that night.I would bet he would have blown a .21 on a Breathalyser/
http://radio.foxnews.com/2012/08/16/ryan-denied-asking-for-stimulus-money-then-admitted-request-bearing-his-signature/#.UHiQcBgxuUc
Well said and apparently it made Ryan look good. This was a lot of people’s first look at Ryan and Joe’s behavior helped Ryan create a favorable impression of his personality.
Obama needed Joe to please the “red meat” liberals and he did. A bad sign of the state of his campaign though that he has to worry more about pleasing his base instead of reaching out to ‘moderates’ this late in the campaign.
And here’s how civilly two sitting US House Democrats (redistricted together) debate LOL!
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Calif-House-race-with-veteran-Dems-turns-physical-3941524.php
“...one aggressively seized the shoulder of his opponent during a debate, yanked him toward his chest and shouted, “You want to get into this?”
I don’t think Ryan allowed himself to be bullied. I think Ryan realized that Biden was making an a$$ of himself, so he gave him enough rope to do it.
Ryan looked like a rational adult male.
Garbage. Ryan did exactly what he had to do. The left is not smiling today.
Two things turned me off immediately when I started watching the debates: that highly unattractive, unkempt and unprofessional female moderator who was unable to control the proceedings and the condescending sneer on Smirk’n Joe’s face.
Was able to suffer through the first five minutes before I had to refill my drink and change channels to watch Steelers/Titans.
Sheesh, this was no debate — this was an attempt by the MSM and the VP to publicly mug a candidate. What a total farce.
Bullied no, sullied yes.
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YES - my immediate reaction was that he was BULLIED. It was definitely two against one....
Exactly.
Ryan sat back and allowed America to see who should be a
heartbeat away from the Presidency.
It was a brilliant strategy.
Of the people I talk to (both R and D) the biggest topic of conversation was Biden’s demeanor. No one seemed impressed and some were totally appalled.
It may be another Big Bird moment.
I agree with you. Biden tossed sand in his face over and over. Paul may practice well in the gym but sometimes there is no avoiding a fight. He had so many chance to shut Joe down. He has been a door mat for this administration. It’s not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog. mr. Ryan could have made a large name for himself last nite. He feel short.
“I’m not a clown, but I play one on TV”.
Joe Biden
I was listening to Michael Graham on the ride home earlier and one caller noted that the debate was like a match between the Joker and Robin.
I agree with you. Ryan somehow had sense enough to overcome the natural reaction we who were watching felt inclined towards, that is to do or say this or that. It was like Zen, using the other person’s fury against them.Ryan actually drove Joe crazy because when you are very angry or agitated and the other person stays calm and non-reactive, it tends to increase your level of agitation in an ever more ardent attempt to evoke a reaction.There was once a book based on this dynamic, called “Passive Men, Wild Women.” All in all it enabled Ryan to seem above it all and in the process to also get Biden to vomit up ALL of the debate points they had sewn into his brain. Now the RR team likely has most of the other side’s playbook for the other two debates. Who’s smiling now?
I think Biden was definitely trying to be the bully and bully his opponent, Ryan. Yet you can only be bullied if you allow yourself to be. I think Ryan did fine, rising above the bullying and staying for the most part on subject. Only a few times he had speak out and ask Bozo-Biden to have a respectful discourse.
Speaking as Wisconsinite who has lived through two years of Scott Walker battles, I thought Ryan was fine last night.
During the Walker mess, the left would taunt, yell and cajole at Walker and his allies much like crazy uncle Joe did last night. And they always assumed that their hysteria was playing well with the general public because it played well with them.
Walker just stayed calm and on point. He NEVER got rattled or lashed out in an emotional response. Yet we all wanted to him to lash out, so we’d “feel better” for the moment.
Eventually the middle of the road voter realized the left here in Wisconsin, was downright nuts and completely unhinged. The Leftists in this state would normally get 56-58 percent of the vote in every election, but not anymore.
If Walker had gone all “MSNBC” on his opposition the past two years, I don’t think he’d have the power that he does now.
We just need to play the long game and let what happened last night sink in.
Obama, Biden, a pair of Jokers.
I do not agree. If someone is treating this as a barroom shouting match and hands you so many knockout situations come on. He looked small. The barbell thing before the main event. What a let down.
You wanted an MSNBC debate. With Maddow/Raddatz and Chris Matthews/Biden tossing chairs at Ryan and Ryan tossing them back.
That 5% in the middle that will decide this election doesn’t want to see that stuff.
I understand people want emotional feedback. Heck when Biden mockingly said “Jack Kennedy?!?” I wanted Ryan to fire back “Well Joe, perhaps you’d prefer I cite Neil Kinnock since you are familiar with his works”
The problem is that lines like that immediately pull Ryan down in the gutter and instead of being viewed as a mature problem solver, he starts to sound like B-1 Bob Dornan did on the old Crossfire show.
I’ll take my emotional satisfaction on November 7th. The momentum is now all with Romney. We need to just keep steady these last three weeks.
Steve he could have said this no laughing matter. The American people deserve better Joe. And could have been said politely with some emotion. 82 times he cut on Ryan. 82 times.
Ryan gave the audience a distinct difference
Between Biden.
What other vp debate gave a clearer difference
Between candidates ?
Great thing about freedom is you get choices.
When the choices are so similar your decision
is harder to make.
Go to bestbuy and look at the row of tv’s and
Try to pick one out in 5 minutes.
Ryan made viewers decisions easier.
mission accomplished .
nah, wrong. Conservatives need to be the calm in th storm which is what Ryan demonstrated
you are wrong just so wrong
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