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What Catholics and like- minded Christians ought to consider before they vote next month
coachisright.com ^ | October 14, 2012 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 10/14/2012 7:23:07 AM PDT by jmaroneps37

While it has been said about every election since 2000, this really is THE MOST IMPORTANT election in our lives and the history of our nation.

Americans will vote for or against the candidates for President for a variety of reasons.

Catholics and like- minded Christians who will vote based strictly on economic reasons would do well by considering why they should make Christian values the ultimate factor in deciding factor in how they will vote.

True Christianity requires you to yield and put your opinion aside in certain areas of life.

Christian doctrine on fundamentals such as the sanctity of life and marriage are not negotiable in a conflict between Church doctrine and a true Christian’s “feelings.”

Reshaping and reinventing positions on the rectitude of aborting the life of an unborn child and/or the value of Gay “marriage” is not acceptable for those who wish to maintain a strong and healthy relationship with their God and His Church.

Yielding one’s own “feelings and opinions” on these issues must be the guiding principle for how the genuine Christian ought to vote. Voting for a Party whose values are antithetical to the laws of God is a trap to avoid.

It makes little difference that the candidates in a particular election will fill a minor post that is not concerned with abortion or marriage.

If that candidate’s Party is in open rebellion against God and His laws it is imperative that a genuine Christian not vote for anyone in that Party.

Voting for a candidate that supports Gay “marriage” and or abortion on the grounds that he/she will do “so much more good in other areas” is an empty argument.

It supposes that the moral fiber of a society is negotiable and not really important...

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TOPICS: Government; Politics; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: 2012issues; catholicvote; christianvote; homosexualagenda
This message must be brought to every Catholic and like minded Christian. We cannot forget our religious training when we vote.
1 posted on 10/14/2012 7:23:14 AM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37
Like many others, I'm having trouble with the idea of voting for the "lessor of two evils". Initially, I felt it necessary to "raise a little hell" after the GOP selected a RINO such as Romney for the presidential candidate. I believe because many raised a ruckus as well, the GOP felt the need to select Paul Ryan, much more conservative, for the VP candidate.

Still, I have doubts. But after much consideration, and learning more about Romney, I believe he will listen to God and make no mistake that God will get his attention.

I also fall back to part of a message that John sent to the church of Thyatira:

Rev:2-24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.

If Romney as president fulfills the need to "hold on to what we have", so be it...

2 posted on 10/14/2012 7:46:24 AM PDT by Errant
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To: jmaroneps37

obama has no Catholic, Christian or conservative values, how anyone who claims to be these and vote for obama really needs to examine their heart and mind.
Romney is tougher. He supports many liberal issues, like abortion (although he uses qualifiers like rape, incest and health of the mother) but maybe good for the country in general.
So what do Catholics, Christians, and conservatives do?
It will be a very difficult decision for millions of people.


3 posted on 10/14/2012 8:01:21 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw
So voting FOR someone who has mandated Catholic hospitals to commit abortions and distribute contraceptives or voting for someone who will not do these things is a tough one for? I feel sorry for you and anyone else who wants to call him/herself a Christian let alone a Catholic who feels this way. The choice is clear: He who is in open rebellion against God or he who is not. The rest is convenient sophistry.
4 posted on 10/14/2012 8:23:08 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Did you read what I wrote?
Your reply makes little sense based on what I said.

For your edification I will repeat it:

obama has no Catholic, Christian or conservative values, how anyone who claims to be these and vote for obama really needs to examine their heart and mind.
Romney is tougher. He supports many liberal issues, like abortion (although he uses qualifiers like rape, incest and health of the mother) but maybe good for the country in general.
So what do Catholics, Christians, and conservatives do?
It will be a very difficult decision for millions of people.


5 posted on 10/14/2012 8:28:00 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Yes, vote for the gay marriage enacting, pro abortion, architect of public funded healthcare that forces us to pay for contraception or Obama.


6 posted on 10/14/2012 8:30:01 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: jmaroneps37

silly. A bunch of us were campaigning yesterday. none of us voted. and most of us will not vote for the candidate we campaigned for. Why? (think about it)

Voting is not a sacrament. It is a trivial civic matter.

“Campaigning? I wash my hands of it. I vote.” - Pontius Pilate


7 posted on 10/14/2012 8:46:33 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: svcw; jmaroneps37

nobody cares who ya vote for for Prez if yu live in CA or NY.

Do something useful. Get somebody elected. Like state House.


8 posted on 10/14/2012 8:49:52 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Huh?
I never said one way or the other in this post about who I am voting for, I said it would be a difficult decision for Catholics, Christians and conservatives as to whether to vote for Romney.
It is not a difficult decision to not vote for obama and I wondered why some Catholics, Christians and conservatives vote for him.


9 posted on 10/14/2012 9:01:00 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

how should it be a difficult decision when it is trivial silliness? if I get a parking ticket, is it a great theological crisis whether I mail in the payment on MON or TUES?

voting is a trivial civic matter and yer vote don’t count for nothing. If it were a big deal, people would be moving to OH in droves to get on the voter rolls where 45,000 people could decide the whole election.

I live in CT and my vote counts for nuttin’. got it?
where did this concept begin that your vote is a sacred thing, practically a sacrament?

I am not a legislator, so I don’t get a vote.


10 posted on 10/14/2012 9:32:10 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

We live in a representative democracy.
Unfortunately we don’t get much representation these days, if ever.
There is only one wasted vote, and that is the one not cast.


11 posted on 10/14/2012 9:38:22 AM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: svcw

“We live in a representative democracy”

you only live in a representative democracy if you use the democratic process to elect somebody to represent you. If somebody just votes for people who lose bigtime, they aren’t participating in the democracy and have no representation.

And because most incumbents are easily re-elected, most challengers lose big-time.


12 posted on 10/14/2012 10:06:11 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

There is only one wasted vote and that is the one not cast.
Voting for the loser? Who would that be?
Until the votes are counted, you have know idea who has won or lost.
Like it or not the majority chooses the representative at the election.
So you vote for who you want, as I will vote for who I want.


13 posted on 10/14/2012 3:44:22 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

“you only live in a representative democracy if you use the democratic process to elect somebody to represent you. If somebody just votes for people who lose bigtime, they aren’t participating in the democracy and have no representation.”

So we should vote for the person who’s going to lose just because they will lose less?

Representative democracy is about voting for the person that is closest to what you believe. If everyone does this - then democracy will actually represent the will of the people.


14 posted on 10/14/2012 4:32:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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Democracy is about who is in power. Nancy Pelosi never represented the majority of anybody. Yet she had full control over the House agenda for several years.

In a DEM House district, there are 400,000 adults. Yet 20,000 votes is enough to win a primary and control the seat. There is no consensus. It is all about controlling the majority party.

The minority party voters have no influence. The people drawing the lines of the districts have more influence than anybody.


15 posted on 10/14/2012 6:08:06 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
Then Pete lets all just give up and crawl into a hole.

eye roll

16 posted on 10/14/2012 6:26:54 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I would argue that Nancy Pelosi is quite representative of San Francisco and her particular district.


17 posted on 10/14/2012 10:49:30 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Nancy Pelosi represents the left wing of the DEM party, not the voters in her district. The DEM party keeps her in power, not her voters.

If somebody ran against her in a primary, most of her support would come from the party: organizations not based in her district.

We live in a Party-ocracy, not a Democracy. Try running for office without the support of a party and see how far you get, even if you run in a primary.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 1:23:03 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: svcw

nope, the folks I know here haven’t given up. They continue to work to elect conservatives to the state House. There are at least half dozen in the legislature now because of their efforts.

They do not spend any time discussing their vote, because they know it is trivia.

Ya see, the people I have campaigned for this year, I don’t live in their district so I cannot vote for them. Don’t matter, we can still get the gal elected.

What we are opposing is the philosophy of some Catholics:
“I am Pro-Life and I vote. (And that is all that I do.)”

So you voted. What do ya want, a Purple Heart?


19 posted on 10/15/2012 1:39:54 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

You win, I don’t even know what you are talking about anymore.


20 posted on 10/15/2012 1:43:53 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Errant

Isaiah 28:14-20. Why you don’t vote for the ‘lesser of two evils’.

God sees through it.


21 posted on 10/15/2012 1:50:57 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; Errant

Lesser of two evils is not a Christian theological concept. The military invented the term in WWII.

Decisions on voting have to do with Prudence, sound judgment.

Proverbs 8:12 “I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence; I ...

some people did not vote for Coleman cuz he was “Lesser of two evils”. Howd that work out for us?


22 posted on 10/15/2012 2:27:21 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

The term isn’t mine. But I’ve heard it bandied about here frequently, usually by conservatives who want others to think they’re still conservative after they vote.

We are given the ability to discern. However, Scripture is pretty clear that we shouldn’t bargain with those who are simply less bad. The Cornerstone of Zion — Jesus — is the only ruler we need follow.

I get that he’s not running for election. But I suspect he wouldn’t be happy with either major candidate.


23 posted on 10/15/2012 2:45:43 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

well, I won’t be spending any time debating the folks who won’t vote for Linda McMahon over Chris Murphy ... but when Murphy is still Senator 40 years from now I will not suffer those fools who complain about it.

Same as the folks who complained about Olympia Snowe for all those years, yet did nothing for her primary opponent during her first election ... murmured “lesser of two evils”.

The greater of 2 evils is the failure to do anything. The boycotters. When did the Body of Christ decide they are authorized to boycott the world?


24 posted on 10/15/2012 2:58:03 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (campaigning for local conservatives)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Why stop at Isaiah 28:20,

21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall
be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his
work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his
strange act.

Not to vote, is to vote. Our choices: Godless or God fearing. The Lord shall rise up!

25 posted on 10/15/2012 4:30:55 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Colonel_Flagg
per'-a-zim, pe-ra'-zim (har-peratsim): "Yahweh will rise up as in mount Perazim" (Isa 28:21). It is usually considered to be identical with BAAL-PERAZIM (which see), where David obtained a victory over the Philistines (2 Sam 5:20; 1 Ch 14:11).
26 posted on 10/15/2012 4:35:52 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant

Oh, I’m voting. I’ve ever missed so much as a local primary election in my adult life and I don’t intend to stop now.

I’m just not voting for a candidate whose history of support for abortion spans forty years because he’s contracted SCS (Sudden Conservative Syndrome).

I’ll vote conservative all up and down my ticket. But I will definitely vote.


27 posted on 10/15/2012 5:47:25 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
I understand; I've been there. But I'm starting to think that if God can take a Roman tax collector and make him an apostle, he can take a man wrong about the unborn, turn him inside out, and make him a tool to restore a nation that has repented.

It's really up to us as a whole. We're like the unruly crowd in the courtyard before Pontius Pilate. Do we, unsure of a man, remain silent or do we scream for all we're worth, GIVE US ROMNEY - NOT BARRACK!

:)

28 posted on 10/15/2012 8:07:42 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Colonel_Flagg
One other thing, please view the documentary, Dreams of My Real Father by Joel Gilbert. It's available on Netflix or Amazon Prime or DVD.

Pass it on!

29 posted on 10/15/2012 10:25:46 PM PDT by Errant
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Again, she represents the voters of her district quite well. Have you seen her district? Fruitcake centre.


30 posted on 10/16/2012 12:20:40 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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