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Lindsey Grahamís collaboration with Democrats points to tea-party primary challenge in í14
Daily Caller ^ | October 13, 2012 | W. James Antle III

Posted on 10/15/2012 2:31:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham’s opposition to political ads targeting several Democratic senate incumbents could create a significant re-election issue for him in 2014.

When Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul launched an ad campaign against Democrats who opposed his proposal to end foreign aid to Libya, Egypt and Pakistan, Graham took the unusual step of defending the Democrats from a fellow Republican.

Graham held a conference call with West Virginia Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin to slam both the ad and Paul’s foreign aid bill.

Paul swiftly fired back, telling Politico, “I don’t see myself campaigning against a Republican in a general election ever, that’s why I think it’s extraordinary that Graham is supporting a Democrat in a general election.”

“Which is more important,” he asked: “Defending … a failed policy of foreign aid or getting a Republican majority?”

The comes amid speculation that Graham could be a tea party target when he faces re-election two years from now.

In September, Club for Growth president Chris Chocola told a Christian Science Monitor breakfast that his group may have Graham in its sights.

Noting several high-profile conservative primary victories over established Republican incumbents, Chocola said, “If you are looking over the horizon of 2014, the sun may rise over South Carolina.”


TOPICS: Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: arlenspecterlike; selfserving; snakeingrass; twofaced
When Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul launched an ad campaign against Democrats who opposed his proposal to end foreign aid to Libya, Egypt and Pakistan, Graham took the unusual step of defending the Democrats from a fellow Republican.

I remember some years back when TX Senator, Kay Bailey Hutchison [R] refused to help Republican candidates running against sitting U.S. Senate women Democrats. A despicable practice of the "my friend" bs espoused and practiced in a chamber that describes itself as "the greatest deliberative body in the world."

1 posted on 10/15/2012 2:31:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
When we reelected Pansey we knew then the senate races were going to be a problem,(turns out it was even worse with the Dems getting their “60.”), so we only saw his “R” and had to disregard his creeping liberalism.
We have been getting ragged about it in conservative circles ever since even though we gave America Jim DeMint.

There was no SC TEA party in 2008—there is now and Grahamnesty will be announcing his retirement or switch ala Arlen Spector, to the Democrat Party next year.

And you can take THAT to the bank!

2 posted on 10/15/2012 2:56:45 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Mitt four then Sarah eight.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Both graham and mccain have needed gone for years, but they play the same game. Liberal as all hell for five years, and Sudden Conservative Syndrome hits them around election time. How they keep pulling it off, I will never know.


3 posted on 10/15/2012 2:58:40 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills and none dare call it treason)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The folks in SC better wake up to the fact that they cannot trust either party.

They must find people, regardless of party “affiliation”, who are honest, trustworthy, well informed citizens who are willing to take time out of their lives for the benefit of their country.


4 posted on 10/15/2012 3:00:13 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: plsjr

“affiliation” matters when Harry Reid holds the Senate leadership gavel - It matters A LOT. You work and get conservatives on the R ticket.


5 posted on 10/15/2012 3:02:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If party affiliation is a prerequisite, we’re doomed to what they (who anoint party members) allow us.

I’m of the opinion we’re better off if we can eliminate the political machines.

I don’t trust anyone who puts party above “.. honest, trustworthy, well informed citizens who are willing to take time out of their lives for the benefit of their country.” (something one might consider to be a partial definition of a conservative).


6 posted on 10/15/2012 3:23:11 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: plsjr

If being the best person for the office was the ONLY consideration in the voting booth EVERYONE would write in their mother, father, favorite uncle or aunt or even their damn dog...

...ever heard of realpolitik? Best man who can win and all that?
Next time Graham won’t be our awful best choice.


7 posted on 10/15/2012 3:32:35 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Mitt four then Sarah eight.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“The comes amid speculation that Graham could be a tea party target when he faces re-election two years from now.”

Ya think!


8 posted on 10/15/2012 3:34:08 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Happy Rain

Graham is just another elite. His is just part of the Harry and Nancy show. Obama loves him too.


9 posted on 10/15/2012 3:34:29 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Corollary - Electing the same person over and over and expecting a different outcome is insanity)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Homo boy disgraces SC every time he opens his mouth. One of the most venerable, conservative states, with signors on the Declaration of Independence, represented publicly by a RINO gay dandy. Beyond comprehension. Get rid of that mess.


10 posted on 10/15/2012 3:41:56 AM PDT by anton
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS, TERM LIMITS.

All elected Gubmint officials, Agency heads and senior employees should be term limited. Salaries and benefits need to be reduced based on the state of the economy.

Failure should factor into their income. Has anyone left The WH or Congress poorer than when they arrived?


11 posted on 10/15/2012 3:45:34 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Reid won his Senate seat with less than 35,000 votes. We need to have 35,000+ tax paying conservative Californians move to Nevada and vote him out.

Right now condos in Vegas can be bought for 20K. Retired conservatives or those with businesses can pick up a “main residence” in Nevada and quit paying California taxes. Deny California income and give Harry the boot. WIN-WIN!


12 posted on 10/15/2012 3:45:49 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Photobucket

Scene from South Carolina the morning after the 2014 Republican primary.

13 posted on 10/15/2012 3:47:46 AM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: MestaMachine

In the case of McCain, it is the open primary system in Arizona. Does SC have the same?


14 posted on 10/15/2012 3:52:29 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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To: anton

I’m ashamed to admit I’m South Carolinian every time Little Lord Flimsey Tinkerbelle prances before the cameras. Voted against the little creep in 2008.

BTW how did his opponent, named “Buddy Witherspoon”, manage to LOSE in our proud redneck state?

Sudden Conservative Syndrome......yeah, Flimsey’s got all the symptoms.

Yecchh.......


15 posted on 10/15/2012 4:42:02 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Free speech is more important than Islam.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Graham is one of those cases where I think a Tea Party challenge is worth the gamble. It would be one thing if he were representing a squishy-to-blue state ala Scott Brown. You aren’t going to elect better in Massachusetts than a guy like Brown. South Carolina isn’t Massachusetts, though, and I’m of the opinion the voters can elect whole a lot better than Lindsay Graham in their state.


16 posted on 10/15/2012 5:11:49 AM PDT by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: Happy Rain

All Rinos must go. Unfortunately, after one term in the
Senate, they all turn into RINOS. Except for Jim Demint—at least so far.


17 posted on 10/15/2012 5:14:06 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: DemforBush

The Tea Party won’t be spread thin with a presidential election in 2014. Will be able to focus like a laser on some of the worst RINO’s including Lindsey Graham.


18 posted on 10/15/2012 5:16:13 AM PDT by Josa
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To: Happy Rain
This is good example of "reductio ad absurdium":
"If being the best person for the office was the ONLY consideration in the voting booth EVERYONE would write in their mother, father, favorite uncle or aunt or even their damn dog..."

I'm saying don't trust the machines.
Or to be more "politically correct": "Trust but verify" - Ronald Reagan regarding Russian machinations.
Trusting the "parties" is what got us where we are now.
ALL of them had a hand in allowing the marxist and his cronies in the seat of preeminent power.

19 posted on 10/15/2012 5:17:00 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Former South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford is another possible challenger.”

You gotta be f-—g kidding me. Mark Sanford?! someone has the ‘nads to put his name in the hat? Isn’t he busy hanging out in Argentina with his new who-er? Sure. Why not? I mean, if it feels good - do it, right? Just the kind of message we need to go with in SC.


20 posted on 10/15/2012 5:19:32 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If Grahamnesty and Lamar Alexander can be thrown out in 2014 I will be happy. (Not that there aren’t others than need to be thrown out too. I just can’t stomach these two any longer.)


21 posted on 10/15/2012 5:32:30 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Happy Rain
“Which is more important,” he asked: “Defending … a failed policy of foreign aid or getting a Republican majority?”

To Grahamnsty, the most important thing is not offending his bum chums.

22 posted on 10/15/2012 5:42:41 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman

Joe Wilson


23 posted on 10/15/2012 5:52:19 AM PDT by scooby321 (AMS)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Please, please, will someone please publish the photos.


24 posted on 10/15/2012 5:54:26 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: plsjr
The folks in SC better wake up to the fact that they cannot trust either party.

Wrong, they cannot trust RINOs. And RATs can absolutely be trusted...to be RATS, communist to the bone.

They must find people, regardless of party “affiliation”, who are honest, trustworthy, well informed citizens who are willing to take time out of their lives for the benefit of their country.

What are ya on.....drugs?

There are no RATs who can do that, the power-RATs will get rid of them. Otherwise, what are you going to do, elect some phony "independent" progressive like Angus King?

At least if you elect a TEApublican, you'll have a pretty good chance of getting what you described.

25 posted on 10/15/2012 5:54:26 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I will be coming off the hip to help defeat the Ballerina.


26 posted on 10/15/2012 6:01:01 AM PDT by RatRipper (Obama, YOU LIE!!! . . .again and again and again and again, ad infinitum. . . .)
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To: Happy Rain

Your post is dead in. Key point, the Tea Party wasn’t formed, half the people around me in SC didn’t give Buddy Witherspoon a second thought as Graham’s conservative alternative... Most to this day have never heard the name. It is the way it was THEN. This is NOW ... People know the lib/conservative difference ... Graham will get clobbered in his next primary. Too many of us are looking forward to throwing this lib out of office. Back then the local venue was standing room only... recently the same venue held 30 people.


27 posted on 10/15/2012 6:03:17 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: SC_Pete
All Rinos must go. Unfortunately, after one term in the Senate, they all turn into RINOS.

There's a reason for that, filthy cities.

The House districts are usually red and contain mostly red counties...the Senators are elected at large and their districts also contain the blue urban districts.

In order to win re-election, they have to play nice with the RATs (RINO up) or just like any "blue-dog" RAT, they'll take the conservative out.

Repeal the 17th Amendment. The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing.

28 posted on 10/15/2012 6:09:18 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
I am no defender of Graham, but there is one alternative theory worth considering. It has merit, IMHO, given that there appears to be no valid reason for Graham to stick his head so far out on the chopping block.

GOP prospects for the taking the Senate don't look as good as a few months ago ( though I personally think that they will win the majority. McConnell is going nuts; he'd already started picking out the drapes and furniture for the majority leader's office. Manchin will win, though WV is now pretty much solid Republican..this is the last hurrah for statewide Dems. WV is about one electoral cycle behind Arkansas in this regard..

They're working out a deal, in secret for Manchin to change parties after the election. Remember Ben Nighthorse-Campbell? Could be the same scenario.

Rockefeller will retire..he won't run in 2014 and risk defeat. Capito will run for the Senate. Graham is the point man for brokering the deal, and he felt the need to give Manchin some cover.

So why is Graham risking his career. Easy..he's not going to run in 2014. He's probably seen polls..if not commissioned them, showing that he'd lose against one or more of SC GOP congressmen. Personally, I'd love to see Tim Scott in the Senate.

Mitt will win, and appoint Graham to a major post in the administration. I think he would do a superb job as VA head.

And this would let Gov Haley appt the next senator, and thus avoid a bruising primary.

Bookmark this, y'all..you read it here first.

29 posted on 10/15/2012 6:26:51 AM PDT by ken5050 (Barack Obama: An empty suit sitting in an empty chair...)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I AGREE WITH THAT. Randy Barnett’s Bill of Federalism is the best overall solution.

LINK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Barnett#Bill_of_Federalism


30 posted on 10/15/2012 6:32:31 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: SC_Pete; y'all
What's wrong with this guy?

Rep. Trey Gowdy Explodes At Libya Hearing: 'I Want To Know Why We Were Lied To'

Trey Gowdy, an outspoken Republican congressman from South Carolina, blasted Obama administration officials during Wednesday's House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing on the Libya U.S. Consulate terrorist attack, raising his voice to levels rarely heard on the House floor.

freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2943501/posts

31 posted on 10/15/2012 7:24:21 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
To what party do RINOs belong?
Who controls that party?
Why do we have mittens instead of a conservative?
Why weren't conservatives fairly treated in the 2012 primary process?

... and you think I'm on drugs?

_Anyone_ who pushes party over principle is suspect in my book.
(of course in our current situation one side has no principles, the other has varying degrees of principles from none at all to plenty.)

There are some who have the integrity and fortitude to avoid it (Sarah Palin and Jim DeMint for example), but unless we provide strong conservative support from identification and selection until they are done with their public service, we'll find that "the party machine" will corrupt them every time.

Of course 'the party' doesn't want the hassle of having to convert, so they'll get one or more of theirs in play as early as possible (wolf in sheep's clothing) to maintain their part of control...

... which is why I distrust anyone who pushes party over principle.
32 posted on 10/15/2012 7:28:47 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: plsjr
To what party do RINOs belong?

RATs

Who controls that party?

RATs

Why do we have mittens instead of a conservative?

He won the nomination.

Why weren't conservatives fairly treated in the 2012 primary process?

Open primaries.

...I distrust anyone who pushes party over principle.

That is supposed to be the same thing. Unfortunately you have a fully invested communist party, and a halfway, squishy-socialist party. The Republican Party is the only thing large enough to defeat the RATs, and it needs to be totally taken over by TEApublicans, as began to happen in 2010.

You have nowhere else to go.

As it stands, I'll take ta Chamber of Commerce/NFIB Republican over communists any day of the week, but I do prefer TEA.

33 posted on 10/15/2012 7:48:40 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: ken5050
Mitt will win, and appoint Graham to a major post in the administration. I think he would do a superb job as VA head.

Only if Mitt is determined to carry out BO's plans to finish queering and wussifying the military. And I'm getting mixed signals on that. Otherwise, why would they be campaigning on increase military spending? It really isn't a winning issue in this cycle.

34 posted on 10/15/2012 8:02:18 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I was just thinking...what about Trey Gowdy??? ;^)


35 posted on 10/15/2012 8:06:38 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I consider your argumentation disingenuous.

I prefer truth, honor and integrity... if it’s not there, I won’t support the ‘cause’.

I’ve had enough of the excuses.

If you haven’t, read my tag line.


36 posted on 10/15/2012 8:07:02 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: plsjr
I consider your argumentation disingenuous.

Yeah, I don't know anything. You're a liar too.

Goodbye.

37 posted on 10/15/2012 8:09:42 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Jane Long

Trey is a Rock Star in the making. He could win just by showing up.


38 posted on 10/15/2012 8:12:15 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: elcid1970

Oh, the voters of SC are innocent of this travesty. Victims in fact. But the GOP elders should have moved or postured him for replacement in a manner other than the revolt that I am sure is coming.

We had a similar but less offensive situation here in Ohio with cry baby liberal George Voinovich.

The GOP establishment is to blame. Pull them out by the roots.


39 posted on 10/15/2012 9:34:35 AM PDT by anton
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To: Jane Long

“...what about Trey Gowdy???”

Oh joy, you have made my day! I had forgotten about the young lion from the Piedmont until his recent performance in the House.

Senator Trey Gowdy......I like it!

;^)


40 posted on 10/15/2012 9:55:08 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Free speech is more important than Islam.")
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To: servo1969

Sanford married her. Whatever your opinion of his unfortunate choices in his personal life, he was an excellent Conservative Governor and Congressman. I wouldn’t hesistate to support him on his public record.


41 posted on 10/15/2012 11:02:24 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“Sanford married her. Whatever your opinion of his unfortunate choices in his personal life, he was an excellent Conservative Governor and Congressman. I wouldn’t hesistate to support him on his public record.”

I disagree. He used funds he had no business using to help with his dalliances. He made his personnel lie to his constituents to cover his backside. What this showed was that he was willing to do all of this to have what he wanted. Then after being ‘caught’ he was petulant and unashamed. To hell with his wife and children. All that mattered was his happiness.

The whole thing displayed a serious lack of control along with an uncomfortably large ego. Am I any better? No, I am not. I have made mistakes in my life as well. BUT I’m also never going to try and be a Governor or US Senator. And neither should he ever again hold a position of such power over other people’s lives. When is the next time he might really, really want something? What might he do to get it? No. He made his choice and he should move on with his life and leave governing to others.


42 posted on 10/15/2012 11:36:42 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Well, it’s more likely one of the excellent 5 (or 6, after January) Congressmembers will take a run to replace Graham in 2014, and Sanford probably won’t be one of them.


43 posted on 10/15/2012 11:48:17 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: plsjr
OK, say you are trapped in a pit in Hell and two demons are looking down on you—one wants to pee on you and one wants to defecate on you.
You have but one rock that you can toss to stop one of them.

Often “reductio ad absurdium” is Latin for I don't have the smarts to convincingly contradict reality so I will affect intellectual superiority over the dirt beneath my feet and the clouds above my head.

44 posted on 10/15/2012 3:53:32 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Mitt four then Sarah eight.")
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Except for Pansey, the GOP Capital Hill caucus from South Carolina is solid TEA party and for good reason, against his liberal worser judgment, Graham has been voting with the rest of them.

Pansey may run his RINO mouth on TV but he knows who butters his bread come election time and is hoping us dum ass kakalaki rednecks will forget his dum ass Yankee liberal ass showing...

...ain't gonna happen.

45 posted on 10/15/2012 4:04:14 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Mitt four then Sarah eight.")
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To: Happy Rain
"Often “reductio ad absurdium” is Latin for I don't have the smarts to convincingly contradict reality so I will affect intellectual superiority over the dirt beneath my feet and the clouds above my head."

Are you saying my identification of your logical fallacy is incorrect?

(Actually, I'm trying to brush up on logic and thought I might research and apply in my conversations.)

Your inference that "I don't have the smarts to convincingly contradict reality so I will affect intellectual superiority over the dirt beneath my feet and the clouds above my head." is a combination ad-hominem and appeal to authority in an attempt to divert me and other readers from the real issue.

My real issue being "For what reasons should one support and vote for a particular representative?".

You do realize that your phrase "convincingly contradict reality" indicates you've closed your mind (besides being self-contradicting)?

(Maybe you're OK with that. If so, nothing I say matters so please disregard my response.)
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You say "OK, say you are trapped in a pit in Hell and two demons are looking down on you—one wants to pee on you and one wants to defecate on you.
You have but one rock that you can toss to stop one of them.
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I think I'm less likely to find myself in the hypothetical situation you describe if I avoid supporting those that preselected a 'representative' who voted for Supreme Court nominees that promote abortion and homosexuality as pansey did.

I'm not saying that party affiliation is inherently bad, just that it should be secondary.

The S.C. Citizenry in their laziness and complacency allowed the party to avoid discussing the truth about graham and leave us with unacceptable "representation".

I have reason to hold suspect those who describe our only choice as having to support the r’s.
An enemy who would have us compromise our principles would use this method to attempt to hide behind the veil of ‘reasonability’ or as a scare tactic.

The r’s have done this time and again and I will no longer buy into that ‘my team’ mentality.

I'm saying that not focusing on the individuals we support, ensuring they have the honesty, honor and integrity to stand against known wrong or bad acts allows those who would further destructive agendas to raise up true believers or useful idiots in the name of party affiliation.

It is sad that, even on a Christian Conservative site like FR, there are those who would have us deny what our 'lying eyes' tell us, and expect us to join the team.

We shouldn't be ‘sheeple’ for _anyone_ and should encourage those who will listen to seriously consider the reasons for how they vote. Otherwise, we're likely to have another pansey, mclame, boner, or specter foisted upon us once again.
46 posted on 10/16/2012 6:17:22 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: plsjr
Fine rhetoric and top notch rationalizing.

You win FRiend, I cannot compete with such gifted paralogisms...

...guess I need remedial classes in sophistry.

In short, we agree to disagree because you are apparently invulnerable to the contemporary applications of pragmatic reason...not that there is anything wrong with that, if anything it's kind of amusing--you are both wrong AND droll:)

47 posted on 10/16/2012 1:22:02 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("Mitt four then Sarah eight.")
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To: Happy Rain
You're still avoiding the issue, which is "For what reasons should one support and vote for a particular representative?"

You appear to be promoting the idea that one should support whoever 'the party' selects over considering the honesty, reliability and integrity of those individuals.

That's something a rino/rat proponent would do...

... are you a rat or rino?
48 posted on 10/16/2012 10:51:10 PM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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