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Help in identification of uniform requested
MHILE ^ | 10/18/2012 | MHILE

Posted on 10/18/2012 1:08:28 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett

Are there any FReepers who could help in the identification of this uniform that my grandmother is wearing? She was born in 1905 in Maine and I'm told she's 14 in this picture.

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I know that many FReepers have better internet search skills than I do. My mother says it's a WPA uniform, but the WPA wasn't created until 1935.
1 posted on 10/18/2012 1:08:34 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Navel looking clothing was the style.


2 posted on 10/18/2012 1:10:11 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

The arm patch is the style of a Navy Chief’s chevron. Single star would be a Senior Chief.


3 posted on 10/18/2012 1:12:42 PM PDT by brownsfan (Voting for Obama again is like backing the Titanic up and hitting the iceburg again!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Was there something like the “sea scouts” during World War I? She was a little young to be a chief petty officer in the Navy. BTW, the quality of the old black and white portraits are great.


4 posted on 10/18/2012 1:14:12 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Might not be her uniform (especially if she’s 14 and given the insignia), she might have had somebody special in the Navy (this was during World War I given the dates you posted) and took a picture wearing his shirt for him.


5 posted on 10/18/2012 1:15:04 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Compare w WWI Navy Nurse uniform.


6 posted on 10/18/2012 1:15:28 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Born to Conserve

I would agree. Naval style tops and skirts was a girl’s style in the 1920s and early 1930s.


7 posted on 10/18/2012 1:15:53 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: Born to Conserve
Navel looking clothing was the style.

Must have been a belly button down.

8 posted on 10/18/2012 1:16:23 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: af_vet_rr

My mother said she did sewing in the WPA, but I can’t find any pics anywhere that show that WPA workers had ‘uniforms’. If the style was popular back then, I suppose it could be a hand-me-down or charity because I believe they were very poor.


9 posted on 10/18/2012 1:21:20 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

http://www.collectorsquest.com/blog/2012/03/22/the-uniform-of-the-day-is/

Check this link out.


10 posted on 10/18/2012 1:24:00 PM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Time traveller?


11 posted on 10/18/2012 1:24:09 PM PDT by proudpapa
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To: af_vet_rr

I agree. She’s too young to be a CPO. According to the OP, this was 1918-1920, so its probably just a fashion that looks like a military uniform. She wouldn’t have been a Sea Scout, if they even existed then.


12 posted on 10/18/2012 1:27:27 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
http://www.ww1propaganda.com/world-war-1-posters/ww1-navy-posters?page=17

Google for images of "WWI Navy Nurse uniform".

13 posted on 10/18/2012 1:27:31 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

I searched around, and found that insignia with “Sea Cadet Chief Petty Officer”.
http://benmoreellseacadets.weebly.com/all-about-the-ranks.html


14 posted on 10/18/2012 1:28:50 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: forgotten man

I researched to see if it might be an early Girl Scout uniform, but I don’t think so. As you can see the collar is rounded as it goes over the shoulder unlike the Girl Scout uniform or a Sailor’s uniform. It’s hard to tell from the picture what color the cloth is. I don’t see any buttons down the front and the seam/trim across the front is different.


15 posted on 10/18/2012 1:29:21 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: Born to Conserve
Navel looking clothing was the style.

Maybe so, But I sure don't see her navel.

(And I've done my share of navel gazing)...

16 posted on 10/18/2012 1:29:45 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1367 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

This would have been at least 10 years before the WPA.


17 posted on 10/18/2012 1:31:34 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett; Tax-chick; Anoreth

Anoreth the time traveler?


18 posted on 10/18/2012 1:31:39 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1367 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: reg45

Yes, I know, but I can’t tell my mother anything. I need proof. lol


19 posted on 10/18/2012 1:33:37 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: brownsfan
The arm patch is the style of a Navy Chief’s chevron. Single star would be a Senior Chief.

Two things regarding that interpretation:

1. The stars on senior and master chiefs' insignias are located above the crow. (The area between the rocker and top chevron is used for the rating designator.)

2. The senior and master chief ranks didn't come into existence until 1958.

20 posted on 10/18/2012 1:34:39 PM PDT by Bob
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Search this web site for the insignia she has on her sleeve:

http://www.uniforminsignia.org/index.php?option=com_insigniasearch&view=insigniasearch&Itemid=53


21 posted on 10/18/2012 1:41:38 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: My hearts in London - Everett; Born to Conserve

She would have needed to have served a minimum of 2 years 9 months to earn that rank, according to Born to Conserve’s link. That’s a bit much for a 14 year old.

OTOH, I can easily see her having the portrait taken to honor some young swain by proudly wearing his uniform for the sitting.

Young girls being what they are, and young sailors being what they are.

Especially during war time...


22 posted on 10/18/2012 1:47:44 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1367 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama, a queer and present danger)
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To: Born to Conserve

The insignias do seem to match up.

The style of blouse freepers say was popular in the early part of the 20th century was the “middie” blouse (maybe from midshipman?) It was white with a blue or black tie. They are actually still in style.


23 posted on 10/18/2012 1:49:37 PM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Bob

Thanks. I’m no expert, I just spent some time in Uncle Sam’s canoe club.


24 posted on 10/18/2012 1:54:20 PM PDT by brownsfan (Voting for Obama again is like backing the Titanic up and hitting the iceburg again!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
The rating badge was for a Chief Master at Arms.

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(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

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25 posted on 10/18/2012 1:54:27 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Contact the WWI Museum in Kansas City. It’s not a military uniform but it could be an auxiliary of some sort or a girls group to support the war effort. They have rearchers and volunteers who are experts and great archives. It’s the only museum dedicated to WWI in the country. They just did a major overhaul and expansion. If you’re in the area its really worth visiting. But you could probably email the picture and question. Go to their website.


26 posted on 10/18/2012 1:57:40 PM PDT by airedale
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

“My mother said she did sewing in the WPA, but I can’t find any pics anywhere that show that WPA workers had ‘uniforms’. If the style was popular back then, I suppose it could be a hand-me-down or charity because I believe they were very poor.”

I did extensive genealogy and history research awhile back. I was surprised and disappointed how much my Mom got wrong, or knew nothing about.

BTW is her surname “Mathes,” in Maine?


27 posted on 10/18/2012 1:58:51 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

Have u tried making your inquiry on ancestry.com?


28 posted on 10/18/2012 1:59:00 PM PDT by uncitizen (Impeach Obama NOW!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

If your timeline is accurate and she was 14 in that photo then that would put it at around 1919 right in the middle of the Spanish Flu Pandemic. There was a critical shortage of nurses and volunteers to give aid to the sick and she may have been involved somehow. I couldn’t find any uniform photo’s


29 posted on 10/18/2012 2:02:34 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: null and void
"wearing his uniform for the sitting."

That's what another poster mentioned, but as far as I know, Navy uniforms even back then did not have a rounded placket.

30 posted on 10/18/2012 2:04:34 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: brownsfan
Thanks. I’m no expert, I just spent some time in Uncle Sam’s canoe club.

No particular expertise claimed on my part, I was fairly certain that CPO was the highest enlisted rank until well after WWII. (I'm a former member of the canoe club myself, 1966-1975.)

31 posted on 10/18/2012 2:06:10 PM PDT by Bob
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
There were all kinds of volunteer organizations to support the war effort. Possibly one of those. Red Cross, YWCA, even librarians...


32 posted on 10/18/2012 2:10:48 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: uncitizen

I just posted this picture to my tree and asked if anyone could identify what she is wearing.


33 posted on 10/18/2012 2:12:58 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

good Luck!


34 posted on 10/18/2012 2:15:55 PM PDT by uncitizen (Impeach Obama NOW!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

One more suggestion you can go to the Smithsonian On-line and ask a librarian. There is a link for that.


35 posted on 10/18/2012 2:16:30 PM PDT by airedale
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Women could serve in the US Navy Reserve from 1916 on.


36 posted on 10/18/2012 2:21:57 PM PDT by x
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To: airedale

Thank you for your idea. :~)


37 posted on 10/18/2012 2:23:47 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: brownsfan
Single star would be a Senior Chief.

The Senior and Master Chief rates were added much later than that date, just a few years before I enlisted (1961). And the star(s) go above the eagle. The star in this case is in the place where the rating badge would be (crossed anchors = boatswain's mate, gear = engineman, crossed cannons - gunner's mate, etc.). It may be decoration.

38 posted on 10/18/2012 2:46:56 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: My hearts in London - Everett

It’s a middy blouse, very popular in the late 19th century up until the 1920s.


39 posted on 10/18/2012 9:43:34 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Going back through some old family photos I found one of my mother around the same age and same time wearing a similar “uniform”, including the rank insignia. I know she was never in the military or scouts or any other such organization.

I think it was just a fashion back then, nothing more.


40 posted on 10/19/2012 12:56:53 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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