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Political message on church sign stirs sentiment in Leakey
KVUE-TV ^ | October 19, 2012 | Phil Anaya

Posted on 10/20/2012 5:10:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

LEAKEY, Texas -- A controversy regarding a political sign prominently displayed outside a church is playing out in a small town west of San Antonio.

Is it protected speech or political hate? And does it have a place on a church marquee?

The sign reads, "Vote for the Mormon, not the Muslim! The capitalist, not the communist!"

That marquee standing outside a non-denominational church has become the talk of the town in Leakey — about 90 miles northwest of San Antonio.

The Church in the Valley is run by Pastor Ray Miller. Miller declined an interview but did say the sign was solely his idea. He said he changes the sign weekly and this isn't the first bold statement to be displayed.

The pastor said he feels strongly about the upcoming presidential election and feels the message on the marquee speaks for itself.

Since it is a church, it is classified as a non-profit organization. That means, by law, it can not endorse a political candidate.

While it is a heated campaign season, some residents and visitors admit that seeing the message outside a church is an eye opener.

“I can see why there’s some controversy, because the separation of church, and maybe they shouldn’t get involved in it,” said tourist Blake Fischer. "But I don’t see no problem with them trying to send a message."

Several residents not affiliated with the church said the sign doesn't really bother them since it’s not their place of worship.

“It’s their prerogative, it’s their opinion, it’s their church,” said Pamela Rice, of Leakey.

While the very small and quiet town of Leakey is now in the spotlight, some business owners are embracing the attention.

“I love it. Even if it’s bad attention, bring it on. Come to town, see what it’s about,” Damon White said. “Not everyone hates Obama, not everyone loves him; not everyone hates Romney, or loves Romney. Come see for yourself.”


TOPICS: Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: islam; mormonism; obama; romney

1 posted on 10/20/2012 5:10:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

God bless Pastor Ray Miller!!

I might add, I LOVE TEXAS!


2 posted on 10/20/2012 5:13:41 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

And the people said...AMEN!!


3 posted on 10/20/2012 5:17:13 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lol, I just saw that piece on my local news. From what I have heard, pastors all over the country are taking the risk and speaking up this time around. Mine sure is.


4 posted on 10/20/2012 5:19:00 PM PDT by TXBlair (Don't stop at Hasan's beard; shave off his entire head.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Since it is a church, it is classified as a non-profit organization. That means, by law, it can not endorse a political candidate.

A law LBJ pushed through. By the way, not all churches hold tax exempt status.


5 posted on 10/20/2012 5:19:37 PM PDT by Kent1957
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To: Kent1957

Sure, like Rev Wright could not play favorites!!


6 posted on 10/20/2012 5:22:07 PM PDT by maeng ( l)
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To: Kent1957
By the way, not all churches hold tax exempt status.

I didn't know that. Thanks!

7 posted on 10/20/2012 5:22:54 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Kent1957

And of course, the Democrats can go into any Black church when they want to do their campaigning.


8 posted on 10/20/2012 5:23:09 PM PDT by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: onyx

“I might add, I LOVE TEXAS!”

We’re kind of ornery down here. (Definition of ORNERY: having an irritable disposition.)

Don’t mess with us and you can visit any part of this huge territory. Mess with us and they will never find your body.


9 posted on 10/20/2012 5:25:33 PM PDT by Marcella (Republican Conservatism is dead. PREPARE.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

LOVE it!


10 posted on 10/20/2012 5:29:14 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: cradle of freedom

Right! It’s not that can but do!


11 posted on 10/20/2012 5:30:52 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Marcella

LOL. I’m the daughter of a native, born, bred, raised, died and buried in Elgin. I’ve visited Texas all my life. I ain’t worried. ((((Marcella))))


12 posted on 10/20/2012 5:31:34 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: cradle of freedom

It’s not that THEY can but do.


13 posted on 10/20/2012 5:33:31 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Kent1957

It doesn’t name any particular candidate.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 5:34:38 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: onyx

When I saw your comment, I thought you were from TX! Now I found out you were!


15 posted on 10/20/2012 5:37:18 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name

LOL. Yeah, sort of.


16 posted on 10/20/2012 5:40:07 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

The left and the muslims would love to turn opinion into hate speech....If you agree with them OK if not your talking hate speech....I have seen pictures of the concentration camps the nazi’s had.....that is hate...


17 posted on 10/20/2012 5:44:09 PM PDT by goat granny (.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I believe it was LBJ and a democrat congress that passed the law forbidding Church's from talking politics from the pulpit or they would lose their freedom from being taxed. Unless you were a black church, then you could talk politics all you wanted....(they were almost 100% democrat) I am glad to see some black pastors preaching against the democrat philosophy and talking about the democrat plantation.... If you take a good look at what democrats believe, there isn't a commandment they like...the most unreligious group of people you won't find any where else...
18 posted on 10/20/2012 5:52:49 PM PDT by goat granny (.)
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To: goat granny

Right.


19 posted on 10/20/2012 5:53:48 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t see any problem with it.


20 posted on 10/20/2012 6:05:26 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I cannot imagine that the Supreme Court would really endorse Congressional legislation that restricted free speech, or that restricted the actions of a church. This case does both.

The law from LBJ may be on the books, but it should be challenged and overturned.

21 posted on 10/20/2012 6:10:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: goat granny
I believe it was LBJ and a democrat congress that passed the law forbidding Church's from talking politics from the pulpit or they would lose their freedom from being taxed.

From what I understand the law is VERY FUZZY. The IRS has yet to prosecute a case and quietly all dimissed all cases before they go to trial. Pastors are now TRYING to be prosecuted so it can go before the Supreme Court.

22 posted on 10/20/2012 6:14:29 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: presently no screen name

Like ALL mosques do, along with their madrassas, and still push Obama.


23 posted on 10/20/2012 6:17:13 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great little church. visited a couple of weeks ago and the sign was up. Heard a great sermon too! recommend anyone stop by when they are in the area. Service times are on the sign. :-)


24 posted on 10/20/2012 6:34:23 PM PDT by 1riot1ranger (OMG!!! ObamaMustGo!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
No where but Leakey, Texas. (pronounced Lake-ie).I live about 45 miles from that little town. A wonderful place to visit. (The Texas Hill Country)
25 posted on 10/20/2012 6:34:42 PM PDT by Faith-Hope
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Since it is a church, it is classified as a non-profit organization. That means, by law, it can not endorse a political candidate."

What does a "non-profit" mean ?

If it means that the church is a 501(c)(3) organization, then the statement is unsubstantiated with reference to this particular church.

As a general statement, it is untrue, because :

1. Not all churches are 501(c)(3) 2. There is no law requiring any church to have 501(c)(3) status. 3. Under the First Amendment, Congress can make NO law requiring churches to either be incorporated or have 501(c)(3) status, or any other status with any federal bureaucracy. 4. There is no law requiring a church to be "non-profit" in the eyes of government, if "non-profit" means something other than (501(c)(3).

26 posted on 10/20/2012 6:36:17 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Many churches here got political statements — the only pro obama message was on a gay church.


27 posted on 10/20/2012 7:22:07 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!)
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