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More than 6 million self-described “evangelicals” voted for Obama.
WordPress ^ | 11-8-12 | Joel Rosenberg

Posted on 11/08/2012 3:41:20 PM PST by Anti-Hillary

Why & what else do the exit polls tell us about how Christians voted?

[CORRECTED VERSION: In the first version of this column, I incorrectly reported a figure of 25 million evangelicals voting for Obama in 2012. The actual number, as now noted below, is about 6.4 million. Please forgive my error.]

As the smoke clears from the wreckage of the Romney defeat on Tuesday, some intriguing yet disturbing facts are coming to light.

* Fewer people overall voted in 2012 (about 117 million) compared to 2008 (about 125 million).

* President Obama received some 6.6 million fewer votes in 2012 than he did in 2008 (60,217,329 in 2012 votes compared to 66,882,230 votes in 2008).

* One would think that such a dynamic would have helped Romney win — clearly it did not.

* Incredibly, Governor Romney received nearly 1 million fewer votes in 2012 than Sen. John McCain received in 2008. (In 2008, McCain won 58,343,671 votes. In 2012, Romney won only 57,486,044 votes.)

Why? How was it possible for Romney to do worse than McCain? It will take some time to sift through all of the data. But here is some of what we know from the 2012 election day exit polls:

The President received a whopping 71% of the Hispanic vote (which was 10% of the total votes cast), compared to only 27% for Romney (McCain got 31% of the Hispanic vote in 2008). Obama also won 56% of the moderate vote, which was interesting given that Romney (who got 41%) was widely perceived by the GOP base as being a “Massachusetts moderate.” The President lost married women (getting only 46% of their vote to Romney’s 53%). But won decisively among unmarried women (67% to Romney’s 31%).

That said, what I’m looking at most closely is the Christian vote, and here is where I see trouble: •42% of the Protestant Christian vote went for Obama in 2012. This was down from 45% in 2008. •57% of the Protestant Christian vote went for Romney in 2012. This was up from 54% that McCain won in 2008. •When you zoom in a bit, you find that 21% of self-identified, white, born-again, evangelical Christians voted for President Obama in 2012. •You’d think this decrease in evangelical votes for Obama would have helped win the race for Romney, but it didn’t. •78% of evangelical Christians voted for Romney in 2012. Yes, this was up from the 74% that McCain received in 2008, but it wasn’t nearly enough. •To put it more precisely, about 5 million fewer evangelicals voted for Obama in 2012 than in 2008. Meanwhile, some 4.7 million more evangelicals voted for Romney than voted for McCain. Yet Romney still couldn’t win. •Meanwhile, 50% of the Catholic vote went for Obama in 2012. This was down from the 54% that Obama won in 2008. •48% of the Catholic vote went for Romney in 2012. This was up from the 45% that McCain won in 2008. Yet it still wasn’t enough.

Now consider this additional data: •In 2008, white, born-again, evangelical Christians represented 26% of the total vote for president, according to the exit polls. •In 2012, white, born-again, evangelical Christians represented 26% of the total vote for president, according to the exit polls. •In other words, we saw no change at all in the size of the evangelical vote, –no net gain, certainly no surge, no record evangelical turnout, despite expectations of this. •Of the 117 million people who voted on Tuesday, therefore, about 30 million (26%) were evangelicals. Of this, 21% — or about 6.4 million evangelicals — voted for Obama. •By comparison, of the 125 million people who voted in 2008, 32.5 million (26%) were evangelicals. At the time, Obama won 24% of evangelicals, or about 7.8 million people. •What’s more, in 2008, 27% of the total vote for president was Catholic, according to the exit polls. •In 2012, only 25% of the total vote for president was Catholic. •Remarkably, this means that Romney got a higher percentage of the Catholic vote than McCain, but millions of fewer Catholics actually voted in 2012, despite having Rep. Paul Ryan, a practicing Catholic, on the ticket.

What does all this mean? A few observations: 1.During the GOP primaries in 2012, it was reported that there was record turnout by evangelical voters — they were fired up and mobilized then (though largely behind Sen. Rick Santorum.)

2.There were concerns by a number of Christian leaders going into the 2012 elections that Romney’s Mormonism might suppress evangelical and conservative voter turnout. 3.The Romney campaign worked hard to not only to win the evangelical vote but to turn out more evangelicals to the polls — but it did not work.

4.Despite Obama’s pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, anti-religious freedom record — a record presumably abhorrent both to evangelicals and conservative Catholics — Romney simply was not able to cut deeply enough into Obama’s evangelical and Catholic vote.

5.If Romney had been able win over significantly more evangelicals – and/or dramatically increased evangelical turnout in the right states – he would have won the election handily.

6.It is stunning to think that more than 6 million self-described evangelical Christians would vote for a President who supports abortion on demand; supported the same-sex marriage ballot initiatives that successed in Maryland, Maine and Washington; and was on the cover of Newsweek as America’s “first gay president.” Did these self-professed believers surrender their Biblical convictions in the voting booth, or did they never really have deep Biblical convictions on the critical issues to begin with?

7.Whatever their reasons, these so-called evangelicals doomed Romney and a number of down-ballot candidates for the House and Senate.

8.This is what happens when the Church is weak and fails to disciple believers to turn Biblical faith into action.

9.Given the enormous number of evangelical Christians in the U.S., this bloc could still affect enormous positive change for their issues if they were to unify and vote for the pro-life, pro-marriage candidate as a bloc.

10.What will it take to educate, register and mobilize Christians to vote on the basis of Biblical principles, and what kind of candidates could best mobilize them? This is a critical question that Christian political leaders as well as pastors must serious consider. As we have seen, just a few million more evangelicals voting for pro-life, pro-marriage candidates could offset other demographics that are becoming more liberal.

11.That said, we need national candidates who take values issues as seriously as economic and fiscal issues, and have strong credentials on these values issues, and can talk about these issues in a winsome, compassionate, effective manner.

12.We need pastors registering voters in their churches and teaching the people in their congregations the importance of the civic duty of voting.

13.None of this should come, however, at the expense of pastors and other Christian leaders clearly, boldly and unequivocally teaching and preaching the Word, proclaiming the Gospel, and making disciples, and helping believers learn to live out their faith in a real and practical way in their communities, including being “salt” and “light” to preserve what is good in society. What we need most in America isn’t a political revival but a sweeping series of spiritual revivals — a Third Great Awakening. As men and women’s hearts are transformed by the Gospel of Jesus Christ, they will, in time, vote for the values they are internalizing from the Bible. As I wrote about in Implosion, if we don’t see a Third Great Awakening soon, I’m not convinced we will be able to turn this dear nation around in time.

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To: Deagle; All; Anti-Hillary
Polls are either wrong or we are facing Evangelists that no longer believe in God. Unfortunately, I think it is the latter.

From the #s I crunched, yes, more than 6 million voters -- both in THIS election -- as well as the previous one...voted for Obama.

Keep in mind this still only represents 20% of all white Evangelicals.

(I mean even 22% of gays & lesbians voted for Bush in one of the elections...2004)

So, yes, this is terrible that 6 million Evangelicals voted for Obama.

Especially when you realize that 16 million Catholics voted for Obama...and probably around 20 million non-Evangelical Protestants voted for Obama...

21 posted on 11/08/2012 4:06:47 PM PST by Colofornian (Some say "we're not voting 4 'pastor-in-chief'" --as if "gods-in-embryo" were divine only on Sundays)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Uh! So they voted for a Moslem, but not a Mormon. Sure thing.

22 posted on 11/08/2012 4:08:19 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Deagle

Satan is alive and thriving. Sad

23 posted on 11/08/2012 4:09:07 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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We’re doomed! A radical like Obama getting that many evangelicals, any other democrat running for POTUS is bound to get even more!!!

24 posted on 11/08/2012 4:11:23 PM PST by KavMan
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To: Graneros

Add up the amount of votes that 0bama won in the swing states of Ohio, Virginia, Florida, Colorado, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Iowa.
Throw in Wisonsin & Nevada as well.

It wasn’t that hard to cheat a little in each of those states, enough to win them.

The GOP needs to investigate the votes in each of those states before they are ratified on Dec 17

25 posted on 11/08/2012 4:12:09 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Colofornian

Sorry, you can NOT be an Evangelical and vote for Obama! That means that either our definition of Evangelical is wrong or we have loosen the idea so that anyone can define themselves as an Evangelical with no idea what that actually means!

The short version is that we do not have Evangelicals that would vote for Obama - otherwise, they could NOT be Evangelicals - a major contraindication here for me!

In reality NO REAL EVANGELICALS would ever vote for Obama!

26 posted on 11/08/2012 4:12:29 PM PST by Deagle (quo)
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To: Deagle
All the polls are meaningless for technical reasons having nothing to do with their content. Augury (observing something about birds in flight ~ probably droppings on sidewalks) is in high fashion. They pretend to do random sampling, then make it up based on a totally different body of information having nothing to do with any polls.

So, that's what's wrong with the polls (SEE PEW 91%).

Now, about asking people if they are Evangelicals, you'll find that term to be quite flexible. It includes every sort of Christian BUT the Catholics, and even then I've heard an MSM news gal refer to the Pope as an extreme Evangelical.

We live and learn eh!

I carefully differentiate between regular old fashioned Protestants and Holy Rollers by referring to the Holy Rollers. The only folks I've ever heard criticize me for that were Episcopals and they are almost not Christian in any meaningful sense anymore, so who are they to complain.

What we need is some data on the Holy Rollers. They are the fastest growing Christian component and we don't know how they vote ~ but they have 2 or 3 potential Presidential candidates already lined up and ready to go in the future.

Let's get the regular pollsters out there interrogating some of those self-described "Evangelicals" to tell us if they're really Holy Rollers or something else ~ denomination names might well be in order for this.

Then the Episcopals can scream and shout over that. Should be a regular circus.

27 posted on 11/08/2012 4:16:13 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: UltraV

Doesn’t the RNC handle the GOTV for the candidate ?

28 posted on 11/08/2012 4:16:40 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Star Traveler
Obama knows. He lost almost 10 million voters. I bet they weren't left wing lunatics.

Note, the article gets the number wrong on the 2008 election ~ Reps had 59 million and the Dems had 69 million votes. That's 128 million votes, not 122 million.

29 posted on 11/08/2012 4:18:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Anti-Hillary
... and yet more Evangelicals voted for Romney on a percentage basis than did Mormons themselves. 1% higher, in fact.

So, stop with the blamecasting upon Evangelicals please. Just look at a 2012 Presidential election results map, for goodness sake. See all those red states? Practically all Evangelical strongholds.

A worse case of barking up the wrong tree entirely, I've seldom seen.

30 posted on 11/08/2012 4:19:40 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Boogieman

Good point but that was before we had 4 years of Obama. I’m not sayin’ Romney was then or is now a good choice. I’m just sayin’ based on polls and just the mood of the nation and most especially The Republican Party the momentum and enthusiasm for Mitt was phenomenal. No I didn’t just see the USA through rose colored glasses this election cycle. I speak as a person who did not and does not care for Mitt Romney. He is far too liberal for me. I still voted for him though. It was a vote against Obama more than a vote for Romney. I was far, far from alone there. But Republicans voting against Romney in a Primary vs not voting for the Republican Candidate in a General election, and one of this magnitude, makes no sense.

Do you really believe there were fewer Republicans voting this election than last? I don’t. Even if the evidence is just circumstantial my gut tells me this election stinks of corruption.

31 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:15 PM PST by Graneros (The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire. – Joseph Sobran)
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To: Anti-Hillary

“Even the elect will be deceived.”

32 posted on 11/08/2012 4:20:46 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Boogieman; Graneros
You guys are lifting stuff I was using in August 2011 Before the beginning of the primaries. Romney lost to McCain. He was barely in the 20% range and wasn't getting any better ~ I proposed that in the 2012 primary season Romney would get pretty much the same percentages he'd gotten in 2008 provided he had a competitor.

So, he got rid of the competitors by hook or crook.

Otherwise, he was the same old 20% guy, and in the end McCain's numbers beat Romney's numbers ~ except for some technical details.

I said Bachmann's hubby would have done better. I stand behind that.

33 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:47 PM PST by muawiyah
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I couldn’t agree more. From your post to God’s ears.

34 posted on 11/08/2012 4:22:53 PM PST by Graneros (The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire. – Joseph Sobran)
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To: Star Traveler
So they chose the candidate that represents the MOST present Danger....?

See this thread :

What was Ambassador Stevens’ Role in the Gun Running?

35 posted on 11/08/2012 4:23:10 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: ronnie raygun

WTH are you talking about? I haven’t sealed anything. I voted for the American!

36 posted on 11/08/2012 4:23:49 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Deagle
These polls are not based on what you personally consider an Evangelical. They are base on what the poll takers consider themselves to be. Its a big difference. Millions of Blacks and Hispanics consider themselves Evangelicals and when asked will check that box. I bet you the Rev. Wright considers himself an Evangelical. However as we all just found out, race trumps religion every time
37 posted on 11/08/2012 4:24:09 PM PST by gusty
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To: cripplecreek
My uncle and his entire family go to some church that has a name like “The church of Jesus Christ, social redeemer” or some crazy crap like that. Its pure communism behind a cross.

A "church" doesn't have to have a name like that. The constituents of all the major denominations are attending assemblies where the major indoctrination is in the "social gospel" and in "social justice" which is exactly what you say. Their communicants are not believing in defeat of sin in their lives by conviction, deep godly sorrow, confession, repentance, and new birth in the realm of the Spirit; and separation from phony religion.

Declaring association with Christ without becoming dead to self, sin as a master, and the world characterizes the message of such denominations.

38 posted on 11/08/2012 4:27:13 PM PST by imardmd1 (Come and hear, all ye that fear God, and I will declare what He has done for my soul. Ps 66:16)
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To: Slump Tester
Mormons didn't vote as faithfully for Romney as did Evangelicals (according to this or any other poll). Some of them are absolutely apostate and vote regularly for Harry Reid and his merry band of gaudiantan marauders.

Bet you didn't know that did you.

All Mormons are not pure ~

But you cannot be a Christian and vote for Obama.

39 posted on 11/08/2012 4:27:41 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Graneros

I have noted this on couple other threads. People keep posting this stuff based on the Tuesday totals. There are still votes being counted. Romney is going end up with more votes than McCain got and Obama will be short of 2008 by only a couple million not 6M.

40 posted on 11/08/2012 4:29:37 PM PST by Callahan
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