We are experiencing the Great Apostasy.
Polls are either wrong or we are facing Evangelists that no longer believe in God. Unfortunately, I think it is the latter.
Ping to read later
Must be that large right to life evangelicals. /sarc
There are rainbow flags on church marquees all over the valley I live in. There’re a couple of lesbians one of whom calls herself a methodist minister, right down to the clerics collar, living right around the corner from me. I doubt they voted for Romney.
Actually I think we’re experiencing a great deal of divisive democrat and “moderate” manipulation.
We have some of these idiots right here on FR. THANKS MORONS!
I ain’t buying it. No Freakin’ way am I believing Romney could have been beaten in a fair election. Call me delusional, say it’s all sour grapes and I’ll get my head around it in the next few days. Not happenin’. This race was stolen and I just can’t prove it. Probably voting machines but most likely a series of cheating scams big and small is the culprit.
Romney loses to MMCCAIN?????
I was warning before the election and during the GOP Primary, that getting Romney as the GOP Nominee - would suppress the Evangelical Vote.
It’s known that the GOP cannot win without the full Evangelical Right on board and supporting the candidate. Romney just was NOT GOING TO FLY with many Evangelicals and that was known long before it ever came down to the convention.
But, many preferred to ignore it. The LOSS of the election is something I attribute DIRECTLY to this - a very significant portion of the Evangelicals refusing to vote for Romney!
Maybe next time, someone will take these things into consideration about the Evangelicals, instead of telling them that they “better come on board” - or else!
Uh! So they voted for a Moslem, but not a Mormon. Sure thing.
So, stop with the blamecasting upon Evangelicals please. Just look at a 2012 Presidential election results map, for goodness sake. See all those red states? Practically all Evangelical strongholds.
A worse case of barking up the wrong tree entirely, I've seldom seen.
“Even the elect will be deceived.”
Quite frankly, I do not believe any exit polls.
If all the pollsters and experts got this whole election this wrong by so much, there is no way the exit pollsters got it right.
This is all conjecture.
Any self identified Evangelical who voted for Obama in 2012 is not an Evangelical to begin with. Period. Whether they think so or not. Catholics are schizophrenic when it comes to the Bible and their core beliefs, but that is not so with true evangelicals.
What I want to see is WHERE the 2012 vote totals were less than the 2008 vote totals.
The lines, even with early voting, were much longer than 2008. There was less motivation for ANYONE to vote for Obama then in 2008. We know that there were many who voted for Zippy in 2008 that were not going to vote for Zippy this time.
S0, eleven million voters more voted last time than this time? When there were so many inclined to vote against Zippy?
Remember 2010? What happened to those voters? They decided to let Zippy win another four years?
The Hispanic difference between 2008 and 2012 is 10% of 3 percentage points. So no,pandering to them is not the answer. And the number of single women is not greater than the number of white males, white women who are married, etc. so they are not the cause either.
Frankly, if the pollsters ,Luntz, Rasmussen, Rove and Morris got it this wrong, they need to go away. I say they get no more chances to screw up. The folks here on FR probably could do a better analysis of the polls than they did. So now they are telling us how to solve the GOP problem base don exit polling that is not in any way exact, and we are supposed to believe them and go the way they tell us.
After four years of Zippy and his disastrous policies,a Vice President with dementia,and people all over single married, young older all out of work or making less than before, with a high unemployment rate and no plan to fix anything—that’s the guy Americans voted for?
Baloney. This election was stolen in key precincts in key states and the fraud is so out there it is staring us in the face.
The Dems went for broke—remember their theme—By Any Means Necessary—to keep Zippy in the Oval Office.They are counting on the GOP to do NOTHING. They have been buggering election results since 1960 on the Presidential level. They fight every voter ID initiative or voter roll cleanup operation that starts.We saw how they almost stole 2000 right in our faces.
So why is 2012 any different? In four states there were multiple incidents of Romney votes changing to Obama votes before the voter even pressed the “VOTE” button. How do you think that happens? Magic?
I think Rosenberg is slightly over here...I think it could wind up @ 6.4 million (after all uncounted votes are counted)...
As Callahan has pointed out, they are still counting votes. In CA alone...1/2 million from 7 counties...+ provisional votes in ALL states...
Yet, if we only went with the count right now...the # of white Evangelicals who voted would be anywhere from 29.5 million to almost 31 million. 1/5th of that ranges from just less than 6 million to less than 6.2 million.
They should have just stayed home to protest to save our country!!
that includes blacks you damn fools here
average Catholic here thinks anyone who isn’t Roman is an Evangelical
3 million in Texas voted for Obama so that’s probably half right there.
What are you trying to prove? This is nothing new, as there are always tares among the wheat, and while the 21% who voted liberal is grievous - and consider that it aparently included blacks and Latino evangelicals (you forgot to even give a source: http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx) - and you are attacking the most conservative Christian group there is.
Take a look here: http://www.peacebyjesus.com/RC-Stats_vs._Evang.html
Some RCs are eager to blame the 21% of evangelicals who voted like 50% of Catholics.
Who is our Republican leadership?
I am not sure that I believe the vote totals we are being asked to accept. I see too much evidence of too much fraud to believe ANYTHING we are being told about this election.
Just because people call themselves Christians does not mean they are Bible believing, Christ’s shed blood on the Cross at Calvary, burial and resurrection from the dead, and sitting at the right hand of the Father in Heaven. Many so called Christians still think they can work and earn their way into Heaven. Wrong! Paul makes that clear. However, cults preach a different gospel, and Paul also says anyone preaching another gospel will be accursed. When they say 80% or something like that call themselves Christians, that usually means people say, “well, I am not a Jew, I am not a Muslin, I am not a Buddist, etc.” Thus, I must be a Christian. Or, they came from a Christian family. Grandpaw, Grandmom, dad or mom were a Christian. So, I am. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Check out 1 Cor 15: 1-4 for the gospel of grace. Only by acceptance of Jesus Christ, and He made it clear that the only way was through Him. So, this, calling themselves Christians, does not actually mean they are Christians.