East Coast Relief

11-9-12 | Me

[SMARTY]

This is really something.

Americans rush massive and instantaneous aid to countries across the globe in a disaster situation. THEY get assistance almost overnight.

Why not our own people on the coast?

[XRdsRev]

“So I’m already supporting and giving to these people.

As a group, the blue states voted for more government, not less. So let them have the government solve their problems, and I will continue to give to them by way of my taxes.”

Actually it is the other way around. Federal taxes from New Jersey taxes benefit North Carolina not visa versa.

New Jersey gets back 61 cents of every dollar they paid in Federal income taxes. A net loss of 39 cents.

North Carolina gets back $1.08 for every dollar they paid in Federal income taxes. A net gain of 8 cents.

I personally am not interested in finding out someones political affiliation before helping them out in a disaster. Yes we can all agree that liberalism stinks and I don’t have any love for them or their ideas but I will never deny any American (including a liberal) a helping hand if they geniunely need one.

[Rammer]

What’s the source for those figures?

[XRdsRev]

Those figures are from 2011 IRS information. This information appears in several article and publications and have been cited on Free Republic before. The latest figures I could find show NJ getting 77 cents back for every $1 paid in Federal taxes and NC getting $1.29 for every $1 but I am not really sure those number are accurate.

[Rammer]

Do they include spending on the military? Fort Bragg, Cherry Point, Camp Lejeune, Pope AFB, Seymour Johnson AFB, etc are huge military installations with many military personnel assigned.

Please clarify whether or not the figures you are citing include or do not include these numbers.

A breakdown of exactly what is being included is preferable to simply throwing a number out there without really knowing what happens to be included.

I’m going to remain skeptical of your claim for the time being. You haven’t even posted a link, much less any clear explanation.

[XRdsRev]

New Jersey has military installations too. Fort Dix, McGuire AFB, Lakehurst, Fort Monmouth (recently closed), Earle NWS, Picatinney Arsenal, Naval Surface Warfare Center...etc. etc.

Federal spending on defense is still federal spending.

As for citing a source....are all your search engines broken ????

I found the information in a few seconds cited in numerous different publications and articles, even here on FR. Is it too hard for you to do it too ??????

[Gabz]

I’m really amazed at the callousness of some Freepers and frankly the ignorance is pretty depressing too.

Thank you. The callousness, even toward fellow FReepers, has made me wonder if I've ventured into DU instead of FR on some of these threads about the storm and its aftermath.

[Rammer]

Why should I look anything up to verify your argument?

You're the one who brought it up, therefore the burden of proving whatever silly argument you have is on you, not me. I'm quite content to rest in the knowledge that you're wrong, I don't have to prove anything to myself.

I don't have to look anything up to know that you live in the armpit of America, cite obscure and unproven nonsense to have a sense of smug self-righteousness, and to know that you are an utter waste of my time.

It is a FACT that this country sadly voted for more government goodies on Tuesday. Since you live in one of the bluest states, you can be proud that your neighbors all voted overwhelmingly for the same parasitic attitude.

So don't expect anything from people like me, who are sick and tired of supporting the leaches. There are many of us here on FR that feel the same way.

Enjoy shivering in the dark post-hurricane/noreaster. Maybe crybaby fatty will come give you a hug or something.

Meanwhile, I'm finished with you. Since you're too lazy to back up your own point, I'll go ahead and recognize my victory and move on.

[XRdsRev]

So let me get this straight. You are either too lazy to do a simple Google search or more likely, you are afraid that what you might find will undermine your preconceived notion of the “way it is”.

Since you obviously can’t or won’t find this information on your own I have included sources below.

Perhaps you might take a look at the below sources before you climb on your soapbox and start insulting people.

P.S. - yes NJ did support Obama, a fact that many, many of us here are truly embarrassed about but NC made the same mistake in 2008 and just barely was taken by Gov Romney in 2012.

2005 data - http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/federal-taxing-and-spending-benefit-some-states-leave-others-paying-bill-58481717.html

Combined 1990-2009 tax spending data map and chart - http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/08/americas-fiscal-union

2007 all tax data by chart - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_taxation_and_spending_by_state

2010 data map - http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/

Free republic’s own post on this issue - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2690371/posts

[XRdsRev]

Armpit of America ???

Really that is the best you’ve got ????

I’ll tell Steve Forbes who’s estate is a couple miles away from me, that Rammer says New Jersey is an entirely crummy place. Perhaps Forbes can’t afford your neighborhood. I worked on his two presidential campaigns so I’ll just give him a quick “what’s up”. I’ll also ask Trump why he didn’t ask Rammer his advice before putting his National Golf Club just down the road too.

New Jersey is horrible. That is why places like Far Hills, Mantaloking, Alpine and lots of other towns are full of multi million dollar estates and homes. Obviously those rich folk don’t have Rammers good taste and worldly knowledge.