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Going negative.
11/11/12

Posted on 11/11/2012 8:36:19 AM PST by God pays good

One point being made is that Obama won by going negative. Think of the ads. We should have had commercials about Obama eating dogs. Seriously, why do we hold back? They sure don't. RNC should have run ads with dark imagery and music and lists of Obamas communist connections and communist atrocities. Can we try this next time please?


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1 posted on 11/11/2012 8:36:24 AM PST by God pays good
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To: God pays good

Well. That works both ways. I’ve gone completely and utterly negative. I don’t give a crap about diversity, hyphenation, gender politics, pussy RINOs or any of that worthless dogma.


2 posted on 11/11/2012 8:38:19 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: God pays good

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They should have hit him with everything in ‘The Obama File’:

The best Obama exposure site on the net:
The Obama File ...

http://www.theobamafile.com/index_next_personal.html

The United States Library of Congress has selectedTheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collectionof Internet materials
http://theobamafile.com/LibraryOfCongress.html

Just a few of the pages:
http://www.theobamafile.com/index_next_politics.html
http://www.theobamafile.com/BarackObama.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/_family/FamilyPage.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaPsychology.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaReligion.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaWife.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/_associates/ObamaAssociates.htm
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaIconography.htm

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Obviously, they at The United States Library of Congress read everything in ‘The Obama File’ and still accepted it- every sordid detail of Obama’s life.
comments?

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3 posted on 11/11/2012 8:42:23 AM PST by patriot08
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To: God pays good

Obama started negative and more negative as the campaign progressed. We can’t do that, the “news” media would attack us as being negative, but they always give the Dems a pass. We need to go after the media.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 8:43:55 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: God pays good

You are correct. The entire premise of the RNC efforts was incorrect. They failed to tie the pain to Obama. He successfully pushed all blame off the the GOP and past presidents. Shameful. Moreso than the presidential results are the senate results. The presidential campaign was close Should have been won but not a major beating like 2008. The senate races were the biggest catastrophe I can remember in politics. We were a lock to pick up 4-5 seats and lost seats. Shameful and evidence of the failed messaging this year.


5 posted on 11/11/2012 8:44:12 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: jeffc

But we could ignore their attacks on us and keep going. They already ignore our attacks and keep going. Why can’t we do the same?


6 posted on 11/11/2012 8:48:23 AM PST by God pays good
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To: God pays good

Romney’s campaign was unimaginative and detail focused. He provided no vision of the America he wanted to achieve.

Simply focusing on particular issues and failings of the incumbent never works. You need to convey a goal and convince people that what your proposals will achieve that goal.

I don’t doubt that there was plenty of fraud in this election, but a coherent vision could have overwhelmed it.


7 posted on 11/11/2012 8:50:07 AM PST by tsomer
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To: patriot08

Exactly. Why not use all of it? Fear. I say fear of what, losing?


8 posted on 11/11/2012 8:51:25 AM PST by God pays good
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To: God pays good

Romney and the RNC didn’t mind going negative against Conservatives in the Primaries, or the General Election, did they? That’s the last time I will be shamed into voting for a rino GOP candidate for POTUS. gag me.


9 posted on 11/11/2012 8:53:48 AM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: stickywillie
Romney and the RNC didn’t mind going negative against Conservatives in the Primaries, or the General Election, did they?

That's a symptom of the f'd up way the Republicans run their primaries.....Too many candidates, and stupid debates, which serve no purpose other than to bring the entire party down. Candidates need to close the sale without tearing down their opponents......There should be no more than three candidates, the first Primary should be Texas, and the last place finisher immediately drops out to make it a two-way race the rest of the way.

10 posted on 11/11/2012 8:55:56 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: jeffc
If the “news” media attacks us,so what. At this point we have nothing to lose. The problem is that our candidates and office holders have a fatal flaw, they want to be liked. They act like high school kids at the school dance. For decades, negative ads have worked every time they are used. Those who use them take a little heat, but laugh all the way to their opponents concession speech. When our guys run one of the so-called positive campaigns, alla McCain, they are savaged by the media anyway. This whole it's not if you win but how you play the game BS is killing us electorally and I dare say on the battlefields of the WOT. The object of campaigns and war is to win in anyway you can. Being feared is for winners, being liked is for losers.
11 posted on 11/11/2012 8:56:08 AM PST by gusty
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To: God pays good
Liberals used to run screaming from the 'liberal' charge.

Then the GOP went limp - after the media demonized Lee Atwater the GOP has been too frightened to use the weapons at their disposal.

12 posted on 11/11/2012 8:57:22 AM PST by skeeter
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To: God pays good

I don’t hold back at all.

The GOP holds back, and it gets its ass routinely kicked.

And as soon as it gets its ass kicked, it doubles down on the strategy that just got its ass kicked.

It’s time for drastic action, it’s time for another party altogether, or we are going to get our asses kicked again.

And to those who say oh if we form a third party, we are going to get our asses kicked...well, I’m used to it by now, so I’m not afraid to try something new.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 8:59:05 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: God pays good

Because we are suckers!! We believe if we play nice, and play by the rules we will over come. The libtards do not care about rules, they only care about gaining power and control no matter the means. Read Saul Alinsky to understand there are no rules. When you have no moral compass, there is no need for rules.

Ayn Rand wrote about the media, and their power in “Fountain Head”, and that was in 1935 or there about.

Sadly, just like many situations when doing repairs, you must complete the break, before the repair can be successful.

Gunner


14 posted on 11/11/2012 8:59:28 AM PST by weps4ret (Republicans are suffering from Testicular Atrophy!!!)
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To: God pays good

Romney needed to run an ad of those pictures of 0bama with his feet up on our furniture in the Whitehouse.....didn’t need to say a word, just the graphics, but nooooo...., that would be racist.


15 posted on 11/11/2012 9:00:59 AM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: God pays good

Does it conflict with our principles? I don’t know.

Obama team played dirty, they knew a dirty election game would made many conservatives stay at home, and it happened.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 9:02:48 AM PST by granada
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To: granada
Obama team played dirty, they knew a dirty election game would made many conservatives stay at home, and it happened.

Because the Democrats play chess, while the Republicans play checkers.

17 posted on 11/11/2012 9:04:21 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

We were recently talking about a “Conservative only” primary, with one (1) winner to face the rino in the Republican Primary. We can’t let the Conservative vote be watered down against the rino again.


18 posted on 11/11/2012 9:06:28 AM PST by stickywillie (stanley ann went black, & never came back)
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To: stickywillie

That’s why I think having Texas being the Kingmaker state would go a long way towards that.


19 posted on 11/11/2012 9:07:34 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: stickywillie
Romney needed to run an ad of those pictures of 0bama with his feet up on our furniture in the Whitehouse.....didn’t need to say a word, just the graphics, but nooooo...., that would be racist.

That wouldn't work since everyone who voted for Barry also have their feet up on the furniture in their basements that WE paid for.

20 posted on 11/11/2012 9:10:52 AM PST by COUNTrecount (Clear eyes. Full hearts. Can't fail .But We Did.)
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To: chris37

I have been afraid since Nov 6th. We cannot live in fear. Enough fear. We are at a place where there is almost nothing left to fear. Be not afraid. We have God and each other.


21 posted on 11/11/2012 9:13:21 AM PST by God pays good
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To: God pays good

Republicans missed the boat. They had so much ammunition for anti Obama commericials and they failed to produce them. They should have exposed his lies. Here are just two of my thoughts for commercials:

“Gas has nearly tripled under the Obama administration. Has your salary? Thats if you still have a job. Under the Obama adminsitration he has ceased our domestic oil exploration yet he gave Brazil 3 billion dollars of your money for oil exploration off their coast”

“One of the critical areas to help the poor get out of poverty is to get a good education. The Obama administration has shut down the school voucher system in the Washington DC area. This would have allowed inner city children to go to a school of their choice rather than be stuck in a crime infested school system”


22 posted on 11/11/2012 9:13:21 AM PST by doc
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To: God pays good
Even better than negative ads would be mocking and funny ads. One example, which would be perfect to run before Halloween, could be in a PSA sort of format warning of the zombie apocalypse. Cut to a scene of zombies attempting to dial Obama phones. Finish with a tag line like, "Friends, don't let this happen to your loved ones! Vote for prosperity and opportunity! Vote for XYZ!". Final scene of narrator firing off a 12-guage at zombie off camera. "Those dead voters can be persistent!".

The MSM of course would go ballistic. But, it doesn't matter what the GOP does, the press goes ballistic. Might as well hammer a message that just might get watched and get people thinking.

23 posted on 11/11/2012 9:15:45 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: God pays good
The Liberal media(L) keeps telling the RNC people don't like negative ads - and the stupid party inside the beltway cocoon believes them!

Imagine if we ran ads with Oboma saying energy costs were going to skyrocket because he was shutting down coal - in Pa, the coal state!
How about Oboma telling the communist SEIU single payer health care was the target, bur Obomcare was just the beginning?
All kinds of stuff like this was taped. It was right there. All the RNC had to do was use it.

I don't think we have a two party system anymore. I think the Repubs and Dems play good cop/bad cop, and pretend there's a real difference. When Repubs were in charge, they did NOTHING to turn back the tsunami of socialism. In fact, they spent and added more. America lost,but both parties in Wa. gained more power.

The politicians on both sides like their mansions, limousines, fine wines and caviar. As long as us tax slaves pay for it, why do anything to stop it?
When the SHTF, they can just hop into their slave purchased airplanes and flee the country until it's over. They can always come back later and remind us how much they were there for us.

24 posted on 11/11/2012 9:16:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Gaffer

“Well. That works both ways. I’ve gone completely and utterly negative. I don’t give a crap about diversity, hyphenation, gender politics, pussy RINOs or any of that worthless dogma.”

Same here. I have gained nothing by being nice in any way. I’ve even gone so far after the election to cut off anyone that I know to be an Obama supporter or Democrat. Arrogant as it may seem, I believe they benefitted from my friendship in some way or another and that had to stop.


25 posted on 11/11/2012 9:24:40 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: doc

The Republicans did run the gas ad here in Colorado.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 9:25:47 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: God pays good

everyone says they don’t like the negative ads...that they won’t vote for the guy who does it...yet the results show differently. I say use every bit of ammo in our arsenal. Including taking out the mainstream media and starting an organization for the GOP that monitors the polls for voter fraud. we also need to focus on somehow getting the youth vote. I would rather be the party that offers free college educations thus getting the youth vote than the party that loses and ends up paying taxes to the welfare rats.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 9:26:30 AM PST by annelizly
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To: CodeToad

If you think about it, there is nothing redeeming about an association with a liberal in any form or fashion. They are a waste of time, a waste of the human spirit and a lost cause.


28 posted on 11/11/2012 9:27:49 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: tsomer
Romney’s campaign was unimaginative and detail focused. He provided no vision of the America he wanted to achieve

He's a freaking MANAGER, for heaven's sake. We discussed this to death in January.

He's a kind man, a good man, it's a damn shame he isn't going to be sworn in on January 20, but God's holy trousers, what did you expect?

29 posted on 11/11/2012 9:31:20 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Gaffer

“a waste of the human spirit “

Yep. It is hard to look across the table and realize even college educated people in high places can be complete idiots. They are older yet still resemble little kids rebelling against their parents. They have no clue about facts, just that “their guy” wins. There are no discussing facts, presenting them any facts, just their basically putting their fingers in their ears and yelling “I can’t hear you!”


30 posted on 11/11/2012 9:33:14 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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To: dfwgator
That’s why I think having Texas being the Kingmaker state would go a long way towards that.

Can't have that. It would take power away from the northeast Rockefeller Republicans.

31 posted on 11/11/2012 9:38:37 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: God pays good

The negative worked because Romney wasn’t already a well-defined positive. They defined him. That wouldn’t work as well in reverse because Obama was already a given. We needed someone more likable out of he gate than Mitt the plutocrat. Unfortunately the Republican field sucked badly, again this lectin cycle.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 9:41:34 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: COBOL2Java

How much power will they have when Texas takes its’ 38 guaranteed electoral votes with us, Good Luck winning a national election without them.


33 posted on 11/11/2012 9:41:51 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: WriteOn

They wound up voting for “The Devil they Know” as I predicted months ago.....the media started painting a rosy picture of the economy, and Fatso Christie sealed the deal to make people more comfortable to vote for Obama.


34 posted on 11/11/2012 9:43:23 AM PST by dfwgator
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How much power will they have when Texas takes its’ 38 guaranteed electoral votes with us, Good Luck winning a national election without them.

I would love to see that happen, but I seriously doubt it would.

35 posted on 11/11/2012 9:47:52 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The GOP-e said "Beat a Marxist with a Liberal!" What a colossal blunder.)
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To: God pays good

Romney should have asked Obama Claus why he was using a CT SS#.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 9:52:22 AM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: God pays good
Don't hold your breath. This is a one party system. No one, not anybody from either side, is going to rock the boat. They are in it for the long haul...which is feather their nests and to hell with us.

Stop fooling yourself.

FMCDH(BITS)

37 posted on 11/11/2012 9:54:41 AM PST by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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To: WriteOn

I think that is only part of it. I read a liberal post that said “the boy scout act doesn’t cut it anymore.” At first I was offended. Now I think that they think we are hypocrites. They know we hate liberals, but we act like we don’t. That is hypocracy. It could also be seen as dishonest.


38 posted on 11/11/2012 10:07:23 AM PST by God pays good
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To: gusty
If the “news” media attacks us,so what. At this point we have nothing to lose.

True. Which is why I said we need to go after the media - hard, like Newt did in the primaries. Romney didn't. Like Repubs before him, he tried to get the media to like him. We need to start now and keep pounding the media every day from now until the next election.

39 posted on 11/11/2012 10:10:29 AM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: God pays good

I don’t want to be a hater. I don’t believe we have to hate to win and I think with the right candidate we can win without hating.


40 posted on 11/11/2012 10:13:28 AM PST by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: WriteOn

They see us as haters no matter what we do. I don’t most liberals but I do hate liberalism. To many people who are used to rude and outrageous language, we seem like we don’t trust them to be able to handle the truth. Remember, they have been taught that self-expression is king and that you can’t trust someone who isn’t truthful with themselves.


41 posted on 11/11/2012 10:20:04 AM PST by God pays good
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To: CodeToad

I did some ethnic cleansing, I no longer have any liberal acquaintances or friends. I don’t care. They hate us then call us racists and haters. So be it.
I have also decided not to give to a liberal for charity, even if the lib is the one collecting only. At the grocery store I shop at there is already people out front collecting for Teen Challenge which is a great organization and one I have always donated to. I just got back from the store and there was a Mexican man in front of the collection bucket. I said....I have decided that all my charitable donations will be based on the election. Mexican Man: what? Me: Who did you vote for? Mexican Man: Why? I repeated the line about charitable contributions. Me: Who did you vote for? Mexican Man: Obama Me: Then call Obama, you will get nothing from me.


42 posted on 11/11/2012 10:52:23 AM PST by sheana
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To: God pays good

Because most of our alleged side is on their side. Deals struck having to do with what’s good for America or it’s voters.


43 posted on 11/11/2012 11:11:53 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: God pays good

At the professional level of politics, negative attacks are poll tested for their effectiveness and appeal to key political demographics. My guess is that the Obama-is-a-commie line of attack would not have gotten even that far because it would risk a possible backlash from core Obama supporters and due to the broad principle that incumbents are judged by the public at large on the basis of their record in office, not their life before attaining office.


44 posted on 11/11/2012 11:41:36 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: God pays good

Well, the way I see it, at this poin there are exactly two options left.

Surrender or fight to the death.


45 posted on 11/11/2012 12:41:19 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: sheana

I often have told people over the past 10 year that if they need money from me to go see the government as it has half of my money. However, for good charities that affect people I personally know I have given, such as I can never turn down that disabled little girl selling Girl Scout cookies or that very polite young man selling popcorn. I help people directly as much as I can versus just giving to national charities where I just know the money isn’t really going to go help those in true need. I also don’t just give money but sometimes help with such things as Angel Flight and other charitable organizations that do things for people they simply cannot do for themselves. Charity for those that deserve it will always be a worthwhile cause. Charity for profit or to help those that are against me, never.


46 posted on 11/11/2012 4:29:15 PM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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