Skip to comments.Election Postmortem – The Point Everybody is Missing
Posted on 11/11/2012 10:52:27 AM PST by Starman417
By now everybody knows about the results of Tuesday's elections and we've seen tons of analysis. The predominant themes have been that only in hindsight did Romney run a horrible campaign, that the Tea Party extremism had been rejected by the voters, that this is truly Obama's mandate, all of the Republican forecasting models were horrifically wrong, and that the Republican party's only hope is to make drastic changes to its principles if it hopes to survive. Did I miss anything? It's natural to knee jerk or overreact when something unexpected happens, so I have advice for both sides: don't read too much into this election and base your next moves only on what happened Tuesday.
First, for the Democrats, you weren't given a mandate. You scored some impressive wins on Tuesday, and for that I congratulate you. You kept the presidency in a hard fought campaign. You managed to gain seats in the Senate, including one popular figure from your side in Elizabeth Warren retaking Ted Kennedy's old seat in Massachusetts. You got a referendum passed in Colorado legalizing pot, you got gay marriage ballot initiatives through in three states, and in California several measures to raise taxes and restrict economic freedom also went through. Combine this with President Obama's 333 electoral votes and it looks like you've got a clear mandate that the country is shifting leftward, right?
Not quite. When you look at the battleground states the president's victory only came by roughly 350,000 votes. Yes, I now what the final margin in the overall popular vote was certainly more decisive, but keep in mind that the president also got nine million fewer votes than in 2008. The Republicans gained seats in the House, and now has it's largest margin among Governorships that either party has had in 12 years. Your California measures only made an already hostile business climate even worse by raising taxes and assuring that the unions will still be able to force union members to pay for their political campaigning. Expect more businesses to leave your state and unemployment to rise even more. And be careful with the gay marriage wins - your side seems to be even more prone to overreach than the right is. I'm predicting you'll jump the shark on this issue when someone decides to file a lawsuit against a church that refuses to perform a gay marriage. Sadly you'll succeed in turning public opinion on this issue better than any conservative ever could.
Now for the conservatives. Yes, the Romney campaign was not perfect. I'm not even going to bother linking to any of the myriad of post game analysis articles on what went wrong. If you're reading this post you've probably read more than your share already. The day wasn't a complete disaster for the GOP, as seen by my earlier mention of the House and Governorships. Of course, the presidency was the big prize and the failure to defeat such an incompetent president is painful to say the least. While I've seen no shortage of reasons for Romney's loss to Obama, nobody has seen the most obvious reason that Romney failed - there is simply no way he could have beaten Obama.
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Until 2008, Romney was Obama, so the fact that he managed to look like a republican candidate at all, is a testament to his pliability with truth.
Putting it simply, half of the voting population (minus a very small percentage) supported Romney.
Not enough for a win. But this stat cannot be ignored.
Good thoughts, but not a great conclusion.
To say it was impossible for Romney to win because of obumbler’s skills is wrong.
Just look at who voted and who did not vote.
If every professed conservative had voted, obumbler would be looking for a job right not.
Why didn’t they vote?
Because Romney offended them in his treatment of Palin, Paul, Gingrich, Santorum, etc.
And because he did not make use of their talents.
Good point. I never thought he could run. I thought he was the least likely to be able to win because of Romneycare, and the way Bain Capital would play in some of the battleground states. We all knew he wasn’t a conservative, and that would help to depress some of the Republican base.
Also, it seems to me, the T party came out in full strength in 2010. Not so much in 2012. I didn’t see a lot of news about T party candidates and Palin holding rallies for them.
I am suprised he did as well as he did, all things considered.
The Republican Party needs to stick to Conservative principles and Conservative candidates.
If we begin to chase power and control at the price of our values, we are lost as a country and the Constitutional Republic has failed.
I actually could not disagree with this more. His entire article makes a lot of sense up until his final point...that Obama won because he is so popular and win elections. He has a very good political machine, much as many presidents do, and their strategy worked successfully. He won because they came up with the right strategy executed it against another team that picked the wrong strategy. They only can execute their strategy with a compliant media. Our side has to beat two opponents.
Obama worked to get his approval from 45 to 50 percent between August and October. Our side did not even try to define him in the campaign and assumed that people’s overall dissatisfaction meant they could simply be convinced to go with the other guy if he looked like a palatable alternative. Probably every person on this board with something in the pit of their stomach during the convention as the strategy was becoming clear...Obama’s a nice guy, but his policies failed’. I deferred and didn’t complain, but it didn’t feel like a winer.
I have read that when the barbarians broke through the gates of Ancient ROME, the population was in the Colosseum watching the Gladiator fights.
And how many of those Romney votes were negated illegally by voter fraud?
I think the general feeling of the voting public is the same as it was before Nov.6. Obama has no more for him now than before. All those former Obama followers who were going to vote against him were caught up in this massive fraud.
It does seem that Romney and the convention conservative wisdom is to accept that making your attacks on the person will turn voters off, especially women. Why then was Obama so successful in attacking Romney and making him into a wife killer? The GOP refused to attack the media’s popular president, and by acknowledging the media myth that everyone loves Obama/democrats and we have to separate the man and myth from deeds is indeed a recipe for failure.
The three million voters that couldn't hold their nose and vote for Mitt will do so again until they have a conservative running for office.
If the GOP decides they want to become dimms by reaching out for all then they will go the way of the Whig party.
The Republicans need to start using Alinsky tactics on the Rats.....sometimes you do have to stoop down to your opponent’s level.
What’s the point that everybody’s missing except Brother Bob the genius of the hour?
...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...
When elected officials and bureaucracies act outside the law they are simply lawbreakers. When the majority of the people vote in favor of the lawlessness that has greatly manifested itself in the highest offices they have withdrawn their consent to be governed by a constitutional government. By what legitimate basis does the United States of America, as a Constitutional republic, still exist?
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
'The People' no longer support that. They voted in support of lawlessness from the highest office on down. They voted against the rule of law. By referendum we now have a banana republic. The USAINO.
When the country is given a choice between Obama and Obama-lite... we Americans picked the real socialist.
It was all smoke an mirrors, Kabuki theatre.
I say we crater the whole thing. I've limited my self over the last 4 years on purchases of big ticket items and vehicles. My truck is 13 years old, my wife's Suburban is 11 years old and we are just saving our bucks by not vacationing more than once a year for 5 days and being frugal. It's easy getting out of the buy everything new addiction. All that is needed is for my wife to get on disability and just go Galt.
My kids in college are learning about stuff not being free. Welcome to the New World Order.
Very few people could have beaten “Baracka Claus”!!
“The Republican Party needs to stick to Conservative principles and Conservative candidates.”
Therein lies the rub. It does not, has not and will not. Ever. It cannot.
If the country moves to the right, the South will continue to give us a fair number of conservatives (think Rand Paul or Jim Demint). As the country moves right, however, the North will also give us Republicans, reflecting the shift in national sentiment. The North will simply give us even more “moderate” Republicans (flaming leftist morons like Snowe, Collins, Jeffords, etc.).
On balance, the Republican Party will lurch leftward even as the country becomes more conservative and moves to the right. It is a lose-lose situation.
The Republican Pary can NEVER move to the right if it expands its base because the expanded base, be it from cities, regions, demographics, whatever, will cause the Party to move left because of the candidates,reflecting the values of those voters, provide. If the Republican Party becomes a true conservative party, it cannot expand its base and grow its influence on national policy matters.
Am I for “liberalising” the Republican Party? No. I think it should become much more closely aligned with the Libertarians and expand its base that way while remaining true to conservatve principles (on economic and Constitutional matters), but that is just me. That, of course, would alienate the morals voters so we are back to square one.
In the future, I refuse to vote for a liberal Republican, no matter what (after Reagan I was forced to vote for Bush, Dole, Bush, Bush, McCain and Romney). To what end? Lousy candidates that were not conservative. I kept picking the lesser of two evils and even had they won (the losers, anyway), they wouldn’t have been conservative.
I am done with my Republican Party affiliation and being forced to choose between the lesser of two evils. I will vote for the most conservative candidate, even if it is a third party nobody. The country has now reached the point that it doesn’t matter whom I vote for. I may as well vote out of principle from now on.
This might be a good analysis if the author weren’t ignoring the 12,000 lb. canary sitting beside him - the left committed fraud and stole the election.
Look at the numbers. Before the election, zero and Romney were neck and neck - a statistical dead heat (even WITH democrat oversampling!) - and. yet, zero won by ~2%.
The DBM told us that zero’s supporters were “depressed”; at least the ones that still planned to vote for him, NOT the ones who realized what a huge mistake they made in ‘08 and Romney supporters were “energized” to make their own change.
So, how does zero pull out a victory with 23 million unemployed, an economy in the crapper, failed policies littering federal buildings across America and around the world, a crippling debt that is getting higher every day, gas prices that doubled after zero took office (and will soon resume their upward trek)?? How does this happen in light of all of these facts??
Simple. The election was stolen right out from beneath our noses. zero and his union thugs lied, cheated and stole and the rule of law died and the Constitution was shredded.
Now is it beginning to make sense??
The first step is to stop having the Democrats pick the Republican Presidential candidate. The Democrats crossover in the primaries and vote in poor candidates for the Republicans. How many Democrat Presidents would we have if the Republicans crossed over and voted in the Democrat primaries? Man, I’d give them Charlie Manson every time. “Charlie’s a real socialist!” And we have to understand the old media. If they draw your attention to something, it’s because they don’t want you looking somewhere else. If they have a good idea for the Republicans, then it isn’t a good idea. If they tell you that the Democrats can’t possibly be beat on an issue, it’s because they’re scared to death that the Democrats can be beat on that issue. If they tell you that the Republicans need to do something, then they probably shouldn’t do it. The old media don’t just see Republicans as opponents to the Democrats, they see us as their mortal enemies. We’re the ones who keep the Democrats from reaching their “higher calling”.
In fact, there is a petition on the WH web site which was started yesterday, the petition demanding a recount because of many reports from all over the nation which suggest possible voter fraud.
Also note that a dedicated web site is compiling reports which question possible voting fraud.
Again, the dust has not settled on the 2012 elections imo.
I will never forget a movie made, as I recall, sometime immediately after WWII. Maybe ‘47 - ‘49.
When Sidney Greenstreet was at his fattest and most ugly.
In the movie, he was some kind of big time advertising agency operative.
He had a dozen or so of his people in the board room and he opened the meeting by spitting on the middle of the big table in the board room, around which all of his flunkies were sitting.
I will never forget what he said as we wiped it up with his handkerchief:
“You have just seen me do a repulsive thing.”
“But you will never forget it.”
The point of course is that to make people remember, sometimes you have to be brutal, obnoxious or whatever it takes to make people remember.
Obumbler, with all of his faults, gets the point across.
He doesn’t mention voter fraud. Anyone who doesn’t mention voter fraud is like someone who pretends 0bastard is Constitutionally eligible to be President and pretends that black on white crime is not exploding.
Visit this site. They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
Photo of Ethiopians brought to Ohio voting stations by busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket
Must watch videos!
VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers
VIDEO- Michael Savage: How Obama fixed the 2012 election: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dmJtaOO2etc
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April:
VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch? feature=player_embedded&v=k_rMpQKqZhM
We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
We are FReepers. We must fight!
Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!
Sign the petition for a recount:
Visit this site.
They are keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
SATURDAY UPDATES (Thurs and Fri fraud at site)
Military service members purged from voter rolls in Florida...
Pundit Press: In Florida: Obama Got Over 99% in Broward County Precincts
TRR: Allen West Seeks Recount Amid Growing Vote Count Scandal
[This is the same St. Lucie that has 141.1% voter turnout affecting both Romney and West...]
St. Lucie County - 84 juridictions, 83 of them had 121-166% turn out
Nevada Unions Are Regestering Illegals and Forcing Them to Vote
The video suggests that this method was the only way Harry Reid was able to defeat challenger Sharon Angle in 2010 to retain his Senate seat and continues to be used.
via Jewel on Facebook: Could you please help us? There is a petition for a recount and it takes 28,000 signatures. We are all promoting it and would love to have you on our side. The link to sign the petition is:
Another petition, this one to Congress:
You can also request that Reince Preibus of the GOP start a swing state recount based on information available at this website and as part of ORCA (Thanks Shirley!):
Ive added links to all three petitions to the sidebar at the top of this page and expect to add more.
Voter Fraud by the numbers? Absolutely
Thank you to everyone who is sharing this page! As of Saturday morning, we are getting about 3,000 visitors an hour. You are making a difference!
This one is MUST SEE:
Obama won 100% of the 900,135 votes cast in Cuyahoga County OH! No votes from new registered voters or indies went to Mitt. Voting officials SHOULD BE ARRESTED BY OUR MILITARY FOR SEDITION & PERPETRATING A FRAUD AGAINST ALL OF AMERICA. A CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT WILL BE FILED against the networks for not telling the truth! view pic.
Throw out this all-fraud county and Mitt wins Ohio, no question!
Why? A total of 5,364,324 people voted in Ohio. Obama got 2,691,861 votes, while Romney got 2,584,620, a difference of 107,241 votes.
How did Cuyahoga Countys 900,135 votes affect the final result? You do the math.
For Ohio to certify this result would be a crime in and of itself.
Thank you to the Examiner for mentioning us!
Citing voter fraud, petition at White House web site demands recount of election
Thanks also to The Competent Conservative for quoting us in entirety!
Is There Enough Evidence of Voter Fraud To Merit a Recount?
Much more to come! As one of our commenters below said, voter fraud is like cockroaches. You find one and they are likely everywhere. Cuyahoga County, Ohio is obviously not alone!
Here is a petition you can sign at Change.org to request a full recount. I suggest we just focus on the swing states, but it is true that many Congressional and Senate races are also affected, from Allen West to, I believe, Mia Love. Mia was up by 10% the week before the election and lost by 3,000 votes to Matheson in a state that went 73% for Romney. Not likely!
The Columbus Dispatch reports, Voter rolls in Ohio are bloated, experts say
An update on St. Lucie County, Florida:
Video: More fraud from Florida, including kicking out an elderly poll observer doing his job using the police:
Townhall blogger Rachel Alexander reports:
Obama Likely Won Re-Election Through Election Fraud
The Washington Times: Florida Vote Twist: More Ballots Than Voters
Here is a link to Allen Wests press release on the voter fraud situation in Florida:
Newsmax reports: Voter Fraud Charges Begin in Ohio
Darin Southam recommends TrueTheVote.org for some pre-election indications of potential voter fraud, but the page understates what actually happened in pretty much every swing state.
And what do you think of this? This was way before the election, but apparently George Soros, who we have already established rigged an election in Hungary and was banned for it AND helped get Obama elected the first time... Ill let you read the headline:
Soros advises Obama to use forceful measures to override the will of the people
I think this goes well beyond the 900+ executive orders that go around Congress, more than three times the executive orders given by all previous US Presidents combined. We saw it in action Tuesday, November 6th!
A Tea Party group has posted this article, with interesting stats and some criticism for Romney for not standing up and doing something about it yet:
Personally I think as the case is strong enough, Mitt will do something. Too much is at stake, and as we just found out, Ohio is definitely Mitts, and Florida, too, just based on fraud in a few counties! Colorado, too!
Keep up the referrals and the sharing, everyone! Thank you SO much for helping America fix an election that has clearly been fixed.
Voter fraud cheapens the votes of the 60 million who picked Mitt to the point of nothingness and gives weight to those who in reality were the minority. If grand theft is defined as any theft over $5,000, what do you call the ONE BILLION times that that is likely to happen AGAIN over the next four years if we do not right this wrong?
Here is to our real President Elect and First Lady, Mitt and Ann Romney.
Posted by Jed M. Merrill at 1:56 PM 68 comments:
Well duh! We still all voted for a liberal.
So ... in your opinion ... was a 2012 vote for Romney a "conservative" vote or a "liberal" vote?
Sounds great.....how's it working out in the gubernatorial races in California, New York, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Connecticut, Minnesota, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Etc.?
We do know that voting for Obama was a liberal vote, any voting blocks that did that?
I note that you did not answer my question. Your evasion is clintonesque.
I’m not here to answer questions, I’m here to post my insights and opinions, and knowledge.
I will assume that you agree with my statement that voting blocks that voted for Obama are clearly leftists and liberals.
Well ... isn't that "special".
Im here to post my insights
ROFL!!! Your insights are remarkably uninsightful.
Which aren't worth spit.
Or lack thereof.
my statement that voting blocks
Those who divide the world into "voting blocs" ... those who subscribe to identity politics, to collective "thought", to group guilt ... are the worst sort of leftists.
Now ... do you have the guts to answer my question?
I bet you're afraid to go on the record.
Here it is again: So ... in your opinion ... was a 2012 vote for Romney a "conservative" vote or a "liberal" vote?
Don’t get into personal attacks on FR.
If you have something related to the topic to post, then please do.
You read this post.
Until 2008, Romney was Obama, so the fact that he managed to look like a republican candidate at all, is a testament to his pliability with truth.
2 posted on Sun Nov 11 2012 10:57:37 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by ansel12
So far you haven’t agreed with it, or disagreed with it, you have merely gone personal and into a rage.
What in that statement do you agree with or disagree with?
Actually, who cares, you don’t seem to have anything to add in regards to politics, or the election.
So ... in your opinion ... was a 2012 vote for Romney a “conservative” vote or a “liberal” vote?
Obama versus Romney. Hummm — that's a tough one. /sarc
There wasn't another viable choice for Pres. on the ballot. Really only four names on my ballot.
That is the system and process and as imperfect as it is, we are stuck with it and there is nothing better.
OTOH, I respect a person for voting their conscience. But there are consequences.
I especially like the clip from Rush’s Song Freewill...
“..If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice..”
This is true. As much as I disliked Romney I voted for him. I can't blame anyone who voted differently or not at all.