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Citizens in 15 states file petitions to secede from United States
The Examiner ^ | November 11, 2012 | Joe Newby

Posted on 11/11/2012 10:00:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

As a result of Tuesday's election, Americans in 15 states have filed petitions to secede from the United States, Regina Conley reported at Red Alert Politics on Saturday.

So far, she says, residents in Louisiana, Texas, Kentucky, Colorado, New Jersey and ten other states, have filed petitions at the White House petition site requesting secession. A petition for New York to secede was file by "C R" of Grand Forks, North Dakota on Saturday.

Examiner's Sheila Carroll says those other states include Montana, North Dakota, Indiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, Alabama, Florida, Georgia and Oregon.

On November 7, the day after the election, "Michael E" from Slidell, Louisiana, filed a petition at the White House "We the People" site, requesting that Louisiana be allowed to secede...

(Excerpt) Read more at examiner.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: alabama; colorado; cw2; cwii; florida; georgia; indiana; kentucky; louisiana; mississippi; montana; newjersey; northcarolina; northdakota; obama; secession; texas
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1 posted on 11/11/2012 10:00:50 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: WKB; 2ndDivisionVet

Mississippi, too!
WOO-HOO!
Let’s GO!


2 posted on 11/11/2012 10:05:07 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, good! there’s one in CO.


3 posted on 11/11/2012 10:05:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The people signing the petitions to secede from the United States should instead surrender their U.S. citizenship and leave our states to be defended by Patriots who don’t cut and run.


4 posted on 11/11/2012 10:06:33 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

When elected officials and bureaucracies act outside the law they are simply lawbreakers. When the majority of the people vote in favor of the lawlessness that has greatly manifested itself in the highest offices they have withdrawn their consent to be governed by a constitutional government. By what legitimate basis does the United States of America, as a Constitutional republic, still exist?

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

'The People' no longer support that. They voted in support of lawlessness from the highest office on down. They voted against the rule of law. By referendum we now have a banana republic. The USAINO.

You can stay with the Banana Republic and support it if you want to.

5 posted on 11/11/2012 10:08:36 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WhiskeyX
I don't consider this a secessionist movement so much as a movement to kick out the "Blue" areas from the Union. We can call it whatever is convenient. All I want is to end these pointless discussions and get myself free of PeeCee rule.

I'm not leaving the USA, Connecticut is.

6 posted on 11/11/2012 10:10:21 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
hmmmmmm. So the way its going, looks like all 50 states want to secede, now what's that called again. Oh yes, the United States. geez.

I don't want all of them to join up with TX., lol

7 posted on 11/11/2012 10:13:22 PM PST by annieokie
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To: WhiskeyX; TigersEye

What Tigers Eye said


8 posted on 11/11/2012 10:18:40 PM PST by Nifster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can I secede from the United States AND California?


9 posted on 11/11/2012 10:20:31 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They're doing it wrong.

The rest of the states ought to band together and kick California OUT of the union.

(Vanity) What we can Learn from Europe, or, When Arnold met deTocqueville

And if that doesn't work, let's send Congress to Debtor's Prison:

The Price of Obamacare, or, The Full Faith and Credit Card

Cheers!

10 posted on 11/11/2012 10:21:04 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Nifster

I’m not leaving the country the country left me. I still support the rule of law and the Constitution. But both of those things require the consent of the governed in order to exist beyond an academic theory.


11 posted on 11/11/2012 10:23:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

You could move.


12 posted on 11/11/2012 10:25:30 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t really like the idea of secession by states. Some of this is because I served in WWII and my only brother was killed in that war to save a great Nation. However, I can empathize with those who believe the intent of the Founding Fathers for ‘more perfect government’ was /is being lost by widespread Chicago politics and fraud and about 50 % of the population enabling such. I did notice that Mississippi was one of the states seeking secession. This rings a bell that just perhaps Dr. Taitz’s court challenge to Obama’s eligibility has found some footing in a court of record. It would also be good if Viscount Monckton’s declaration of fraud in Obama’s birth certificate were part of the court hearing in MS. To go a step further it would be very interesting if one Senator and one Representative would throw an objection disclaimer in the pot when the votes for certification of electoral votes is called.


13 posted on 11/11/2012 10:27:39 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Gluteus Maximus

First, the inciement to secede is treasonous. There is a lawful means by which a State may join and leave the union with the United States of America. None of these so-called petitions remotely complies with such Consitutional niceties.

Secondly, every person who participates in one of these petitions inciting treasonous secession is giving aid and comfort to the foreign enemies of the United States who have for decades been attempting to bring about an American civil war and disunion of the states. See one of many sich examples at:

Russian Wonk Predicts U.S. Civil War in 2010
Academic gets Kremlin love, becomes Russian media sensation thanks to his end-of-America scenario (spoiler alert: NYC to join European Union!)By Elizabeth Bougerol | Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 | Updated 9:24 AM EST

The people who think they are just innocently shooting their mouths off to vent their anger had better rethink what theey are doing very very soberly. It is to be expected to see a number of fifth columnists helping to instigate and promote an American civil war and disunion. You won’t know which of these posters and/or petitioners they may be. So, it is up to each person to deecide whetheer they are going tto help the enemies of the United States seeking civil war and the manifold deaths that owuld result or help true Patriots in their struggle to protect and defend all of the United Sttates and its union.


14 posted on 11/11/2012 10:27:52 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
The people signing the petitions to secede from the United States should instead surrender their U.S. citizenship and leave our states to be defended by Patriots who don’t cut and run.

Good luck with Kalifornia.

15 posted on 11/11/2012 10:30:39 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: WhiskeyX

That’s all academic. The people voted to end the rule of law. The Constitution is no longer has legitimate authority.


16 posted on 11/11/2012 10:30:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WhiskeyX
You are the only one talking Civil War my friend. And just so you know, the US cannot ever have another Civil War.There are dozens of very old still operating nuclear reactors across this country mainly concentrated in the north east. All these old reactors have significant design flaws and all still have hundreds of spent fuel rods near them. They are all similar to the reactors that melted down in Japan. During a conflict they can easily lose external power. Then they are on backup diesel generators. If they run out of diesel, the reactor melts down. All of that can easily happen during a civil war. So anyone advocating a Civil War is an enemy of our states.

We plan to leave peacefully and you will have no choice.

17 posted on 11/11/2012 10:39:28 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: TigersEye

First, the idea that the majority of U.S. citizens voted to reelect this Administration is a lie and a fraud. The majority voted for Romney, but the Democrats used illagal aliens and other massive forms of vote fraud to suppress the majority vote.

Second, you and others have not yet even begun to try much less exhause a plethora of Constitutional means to restore the rule of law in the United States. Consequently, you and others who choose to incite disunion, civil war, and and all of the attendant evils from such strife are not one iota better than the the people who stole the elections. Instead, you are undermining and threatening the lives and properties of the true Patriots endeavoring to lawfully protect and defend all of the States in the union of the United States.

See:

Russian Wonk Predicts U.S. Civil War in 2010
Academic gets Kremlin love, becomes Russian media sensation thanks to his end-of-America scenario (spoiler alert: NYC to join European Union!)By Elizabeth Bougerol | Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009 | Updated 9:24 AM EST
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/the-scene/archive/Russian-Wonk-Predicts-US-Civil-War-in-2010.html


18 posted on 11/11/2012 10:39:53 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
First, the idea that the majority of U.S. citizens voted to reelect this Administration is a lie and a fraud. The majority voted for Romney, but the Democrats used illagal aliens and other massive forms of vote fraud to suppress the majority vote.

Prove that. Maybe you should prove that Kennedy didn't win either.

Second, you and others have not yet even begun to try much less exhause a plethora of Constitutional means to restore the rule of law in the United States.

It no longer has any legitimate authority so it is delusional to talk of exhausting Constitutional means. In fact secession is really a joke because there is no Union to secede from now. But it's a good way to mess with the Banana Republic.

19 posted on 11/11/2012 10:44:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WhiskeyX
And if we all thought like that we'd still be British subjects.

Only fools think they can fight the onslaught we're facing. Who's going to fight for your so-called "patriots"? John Boehner? Mitch McConnell? Willard Romney? Allen "I Quit" West?

Wake up.


20 posted on 11/11/2012 10:47:06 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Last of the Mohicans
I like my house and family and friends and the weather and the physical landscape.

I just don't like political landscape.

I want to secede from that.

21 posted on 11/11/2012 10:47:34 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: justa-hairyape

Hopefully Beaver Valley at Shippingport will be OK, there is a coal fired plant next to the two atomic reactors. Bookmark bump.


22 posted on 11/11/2012 10:49:53 PM PST by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: noinfringers2
"...I served in WWII.."

God bless you and may he keep your brother close.


23 posted on 11/11/2012 10:53:17 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: justa-hairyape

You just used a deceptive strawman argument. As I documented with the link, it was a Russian and the former Soviet KGB intelligence services which predicted and fomented the objective of inciting a civil war in the United States. So, it was the Russian Communists who talked about a civil war in the United states, and it is yourseelf and others who are promoting the secessionist talk that prompts just such a civill war in the United Statees. This puts you on the same side as the Russian Communists and former KGB officers and against the U.S. Citizens and conservative Patriots who are trying to defend the Constitution and the integrity of the union of the United Statees.


24 posted on 11/11/2012 10:53:35 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: TigersEye

exactly....I was agreeing with you


25 posted on 11/11/2012 10:53:58 PM PST by Nifster
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I like the idea. I really really do. ...BUT, it’s just
premature. We need a precipitating event to occur that is so
overwhelmingly bad... and produces so much disruption to the
normal life of everyday Americans that this idea won’t be
looked upon a “fringe” anymore.

Be patient friends... Rome wasn’t built..er burned in a day.
Arrogance-in-Chief will give us our reason. And it will be
one that allows us in clear conscience to stand up and say
that’s it... no more.

I love America. But I love an America that doesn’t exist
anymore. I didn’t leave it.

It left me.


26 posted on 11/11/2012 10:55:03 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (I am become Barry... destroyer of wealth)
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To: TigersEye
"It no longer has any legitimate authority so it is delusional to talk of exhausting Constitutional means."

Spot on.


27 posted on 11/11/2012 10:55:29 PM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Nifster

I know you were. Thank you! :-)


28 posted on 11/11/2012 10:55:42 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye

sometimes when I post things people seem to not know when I am agreeing...I should have known that you were smarter than that (from other posts)


29 posted on 11/11/2012 10:56:54 PM PST by Nifster
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To: WhiskeyX
Hate to be the one to point this out to you, but the Soviet Union is the one who had a civil war. It broke up. It is no more. Remember that drunk Yeltsin Standing on a Tank in Moscow ?
30 posted on 11/11/2012 10:57:18 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

So you are choosing to bear those ills you have rather than flying to those you know not of? I flew almost two years ago and have never looked back. Expand you horizons.


31 posted on 11/11/2012 10:57:58 PM PST by Last of the Mohicans
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To: WhiskeyX

You do have a good point about signing secession petitions. This utterly lawless Banana Republic is dangerous and is going to get a lot more so very rapidly now. They will be making enemies lists and prioritizing them.


32 posted on 11/11/2012 10:58:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WhiskeyX
Secondly, every person who participates in one of these petitions inciting treasonous secession is giving aid and comfort to the foreign enemies of the United States who have for decades been attempting to bring about an American civil war and disunion of the states,

Please lighten up! these petitions are meaningless venting. Geez. Those running our Federal government are laughing at Conservatives as the P*ss on the Constitution. They want us humiliated.

These petitions are signed by people who love our wonderful Constitution.

Please lighten up and relax.

Liberty will win in the end. I can't see how at this point, but it will. I have faith that most people will wake up from the Marxist nightmare and take the proper action.

33 posted on 11/11/2012 10:58:49 PM PST by sand88
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To: Nifster

I responded as I did to you because I wanted to make that point but I didn’t want to piss anybody off. That’s not my intention.


34 posted on 11/11/2012 11:00:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: sand88
I have faith that most people will wake up from the Marxist nightmare and take the proper action.

They had better wake up soon because they just re-elected the most lawless president this nation has ever seen and he has no more elections to face.

35 posted on 11/11/2012 11:03:48 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: ex91B10

That is the talk of a concern troll or the agent provacateur trying to demoralize the people and make them feel hopeless against the tyrants. The Bolshevik Communists used exactly the same kind of rhetoric when they were overthrowing the Czar of Russia. Don’t resist, divide, run, its hopeless, we can’t, it’s all unfair, you haven’t got a chance, and on and on and on. It is the universal language of the defeatists attempting to demoralize their fellow citizens.

Stop acting like a crybaby helping the enemy. You have jurisdictions which are not controlled by the enemy. Use them and reclaim lost jurisdictions. Work through the grand juries. Convict impeach and convict the criminals. Stop making excuses for not doing the right things and the lawful things. Step back and look at yourself and the consequences of what you propose to do to conservatives. You are making yourself as much an enemy of conservatives as the Communists you propose to aid and abet with the disunion of the United States sought by those Communists.


36 posted on 11/11/2012 11:03:53 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Shutting down the churches might do it, although America has become such a Godless society, that they may greet that move with a big yawn as well.


37 posted on 11/11/2012 11:09:19 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: TigersEye
"When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic".

Benjamin Franklin

38 posted on 11/11/2012 11:09:37 PM PST by Orange1998 (Please DO NOT PRESS CTRL W)
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To: TigersEye
They had better wake up soon because they just re-elected the most lawless president this nation has ever seen and he has no more elections to face.

That's the $64Trillion dollar question, When??? It's maddening that so many of our fellow citizens believe in the evil left. Heck, I have relatives in Chicago that think he is God like. Needless to say, we never talk anymore.

When will people wake up?? I wish it was today..

39 posted on 11/11/2012 11:11:06 PM PST by sand88
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To: justa-hairyape

If you bought the propaganda line that the Cold War ended with gorbachev’s resignation, then you are a gullible and ignorant fool. The KGB simply went underground and changed their suits as they took over more and more authority in the new Russian Federation. Putin is one of those KGB officers. Just as the closet American socialists-communists such as Franklin Delano Roosevelt had a different vision for the role of Marxist change, so does Putin nad his KGB coterie. The Cold War never ended. It was only suspended long enough to refinance and re-equip under new leadership and new strategies.

See what the KGB defectors and Communist Romania’s highest ranking intelligence officer have had to say about the Soviet-Russian plans have been for creating a communist United States and its disunion.


40 posted on 11/11/2012 11:11:27 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
...Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, ...

You apparently don't believe in that principle so don't talk down to those who do. We have the courage of our convictions that those founding principles are inviolable in their necessity to the very existence of America. You are running from that with the running of your mouth.

41 posted on 11/11/2012 11:14:14 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: sand88

He stepped on, bypassed, ignored and insulted the Constitution more than any foreign enemy ever could in his first term. Now that he has a ‘mandate’ for his agenda what are the odds that he can be reigned in by the law?


42 posted on 11/11/2012 11:17:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WhiskeyX

Right on. All those communists didn’t just up and disappear in a puff of smoke. Every time the bear stumbles we spend our money helping it up and rescuing it from the consequences of their crappy government.

All so they can recover and become a threat again.


43 posted on 11/11/2012 11:17:44 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: WhiskeyX

Good luck trying to talk some of these people down. What FDR did in the 30s and what LBJ, Nixon, Ford, and Carter did were worse. Unfortunatley, we may have to go through those conditions again to set the stage for a new Reagan/Thatcher revolution.


44 posted on 11/11/2012 11:32:36 PM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: WhiskeyX

I agree with you. We have the most dangerous dictator leading this country in the past 2oo plus years of our existence and peace is the last thing in his mind. We need a revolution that has loooooooong been on pause. Time to press play...


45 posted on 11/11/2012 11:32:43 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All
We should have it on the ballot for each state, whether or not our state will secede. We have the right to independence , to have the government that we want for each state and to live our life how we see fit. That's called freedom. Obama is an oppressive communist.I think several Republics of the soviet union protested and got independence. Why aren't we out there protesting this communist criminal Obama? People in Scotland will have this right to vote for independence . So should we.
46 posted on 11/11/2012 11:43:29 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: TigersEye

Just like the Marxist Liberals you misrepresent the quotations from the Founding Fathers and and make false statements about what you claim I do and do not believe. Then you once more promote the idea of the disunion of the United States in common cause with the efforts of the Communists and the KGB-FSR to bring about the disunion of the United Sates. Keep it up, and you’ll be ever more so persuasive. It just won’t be the persuasion you had intended.


47 posted on 11/11/2012 11:49:30 PM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Every American should have the right to vote for the independence of their state from this evil,communist, socialist regime ruled by this little marxist dictator called Obama. Georgia a soviet Republic and others got independence from the soviet union. Scotland soon will have this vote for independence from Britain.
48 posted on 11/11/2012 11:53:11 PM PST by Democrat_media (limit government to 5000 words of laws. how to limit gov Quantify limited government ...)
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To: WhiskeyX
Just like the Marxist Liberals ...

Alinsky is the best response you can come up with? LOL

49 posted on 11/11/2012 11:54:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: WhiskeyX
Then you once more promote the idea of the disunion of the United States...

I never once said anything about that you liar.

50 posted on 11/11/2012 11:55:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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