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Wal-Mart employee “can’t afford” $15/week for health insurance, but can afford cigarettes
wordpress ^ | November 12, 2012 | Dan from Squirrel Hill

Posted on 11/12/2012 3:25:53 PM PST by grundle

Wal-Mart employee says he “can’t afford” $15 a week for health insurance, but has no trouble paying for cigarettes

CBNC reports:

Wal-Mart Stores’ U.S. employees will pay between 8 percent and 36 percent more in premiums for its medical coverage in 2013, prompting some of the 1.4 million workers at the nation’s largest private employer to say they will forego coverage altogether.

“I really can’t even afford it now, so for it to go up even a dollar for me is a stretch,” said Colby Harris, who said he makes $8.90 per hour and takes home less than $20,000 per year working in the Walmart store’s produce department in Lancaster, Texas.

Harris, a 22-year-old smoker, was set to see his cost per paycheck rise to $29.60 from $25.40. He says he has decided not to sign up for coverage.

The same article also refers to Wal-Mart’s “two-week pay period.” So this guy is saying that he “can’t afford” to pay $15 per week for health insurance, and yet he somehow manages to pay for his cigarettes.

I wonder how much he spends on cigarettes each week. The article doesn’t say – but I’m guessing it’s more than $15.



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1 posted on 11/12/2012 3:26:00 PM PST by grundle
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To: grundle

Wait, let me get a smoke.

Ahhh, ok, let’s ban Wal-Mart employees from smoking!


2 posted on 11/12/2012 3:29:27 PM PST by occamrzr06
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To: grundle

Priorities. It’s all about MEEEEE! How many kids does he have and can’t be bothered to buy some diapers for?


3 posted on 11/12/2012 3:29:50 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: grundle

Well, if he smokes 2-3 packs a week, depending on the brand, he’s paying at least $15 a week in ciggies.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 3:35:21 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: grundle

Man you have to have your priorities! Have you ever tried to smoke health insurance? Even with a charcoal fliter its all one can do to stand it for more than a couple drags!


5 posted on 11/12/2012 3:37:13 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: grundle

My wife works for Walmart, asst. Manager, and our healthcare and dental insurance costs have been rising every year. It seems that when she gets a raise the healthcare/dental increase costs eat up the raise. I wonder how long before Walmart will continue to offer insurance?


6 posted on 11/12/2012 3:38:47 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: grundle

My sister’s brother in law couldn’t afford baby formula but could get his cigs.


7 posted on 11/12/2012 3:39:49 PM PST by Sybeck1 (When do the vodka rations start?)
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To: grundle

Gotta have another cigarette!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8RAQla6tv8


8 posted on 11/12/2012 3:41:50 PM PST by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Sybeck1

addiction sucks


9 posted on 11/12/2012 3:41:59 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: grundle

He’s 22 . Why pay for it now when he can wait.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 3:43:46 PM PST by linn37 (Newt supporter here.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Average ciggie smoker does a pack to a pack and a half a day. Basic monthly would be somewhere around $270 a month depending where you live. ($7 avg. per pack at 40 packs per month) - just a guess. What’s a carton go for in the states now?


11 posted on 11/12/2012 3:43:56 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: grundle

How will he pay his Obamacare fine for not having insurance?


12 posted on 11/12/2012 3:45:51 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: grundle
Harris, a 22-year-old smoker, was set to see his cost per paycheck rise to $29.60 from $25.40. He says he has decided not to sign up for coverage.

Good for him. Why should he be forced to buy something that it is unlikely he'll use. Healthy, 22-year old males don't go see doctors unless they get hurt. They don't go for checkups. They don't go if they got a case of the sniffles. I didn't see a doctor one single time throughout my late teens, 20s and early 30s. Not once.

Of course, healthcare and specifically Obamacare are dependent upon healthy, 20 and 30-something males paying for insurance they won't use.

Let him smoke. He's contributing significantly to other people's health care costs through the exorbitant taxes he's paying for cigarettes.

13 posted on 11/12/2012 3:50:06 PM PST by Drew68
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To: grundle
Well, I'm not going to judge the guy. He's young. When I was 22, I didn't care if I had health insurance or not. 22 year old's are very healthy. He probably believes he doesn't need it. I never got sick, nor participated in extreme sports where I might get injured enough to require serious medical attention.

But then, when I was 22, a healthcare package was part of every job, I just never used it. If I had had to pay for it then, I probably would have done without it, too. Such it is when you're young.

14 posted on 11/12/2012 3:52:50 PM PST by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: SkyDancer

that’s what I meant by prices vary by brand and how you buy (pack vs carton).

I think with some brands, you can get a carton (10 packs?) for $55. But I know other popular brands are more than that. Not a smoker, but I sometimes look around the checkout areas when I shop for groceries. I see those prices per pack or by the carton and am glad smoking actually makes me physically sick.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 3:54:47 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Drew68

Of course nobody will want to sell him insurance when he finally does develop a sickness and find it’s cancer. If he goes on the public dole healthcare then he’s sucking off all of us and he’ll easily use more than he’s ever contributed via cig taxes. Besides those taxes aren’t paying for anything medical. They go into the general fund.


16 posted on 11/12/2012 3:57:41 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: SkyDancer

Price depends on the state.

About #85.00 per carton in MA.


17 posted on 11/12/2012 3:58:45 PM PST by Mears
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To: grundle

I don’t care if he smokes.

But smokers should be paying several times the ‘standard’ health insurance rate simply based on the fact that smokers are not as healthy as non-smokers.


18 posted on 11/12/2012 3:59:34 PM PST by O6ret
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To: grundle

since the gummint doesn’t discriminate against other vices, shouldn’t we be paying for his cigs? /sarc


19 posted on 11/12/2012 3:59:59 PM PST by bigbob
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To: grundle

It’s his money! I see obese people riding carts at the grocery store too fat to walk, buying junk food with OUR money! Obesity is probably more costly that smokers because they have all kinds of problems due to weight...diabetis being just one.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 4:01:02 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: grundle

Taxpayers will end up paying for his.

I expect almost all retail-restaurant operations will cut employment, hours etc to avoid ObamaCare provisions


21 posted on 11/12/2012 4:01:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Drew68
He's contributing significantly to other people's health care costs through the exorbitant taxes he's paying for cigarettes.

Taxes ($1.01 federal tax, $1.41 TX state excise tax, plus state and local sales tax) represent over 56% of the cost of a pack of smokes. Add in the tobacco settlement funds to states in perpetuity. This young man is paying predatory tax rates.

Sounds like a perfect setup for black market industry.

22 posted on 11/12/2012 4:06:56 PM PST by NautiNurse (BOHICA)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yeah, same here. I ask myself how people could burn up that much money. Might as well burn your money and eliminate cancer.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 4:10:39 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: Mears

You have to be kidding. $85 a carton????


24 posted on 11/12/2012 4:11:28 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: Secret Agent Man

He probably smokes a pack a day at a cost of about 6 bucks a pack.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 4:13:28 PM PST by beckysueb
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To: SkyDancer

11.75 pk in NYC and up. Black market 10.00 pk. Carton 117.00 per ctn.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 4:15:25 PM PST by MarineMom613 (RIP Sandra Sue, my fur baby 12/31/1999 ~ 7/2/2010 - See you on the other side!)
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To: SkyDancer

some where around $60 last i looked depending where you live.


27 posted on 11/12/2012 4:15:35 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: SkyDancer

Around 50 to 60 dollars a carton in your average red states, much higher in the blue states.


28 posted on 11/12/2012 4:15:51 PM PST by beckysueb
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To: grundle

He’s already paying for govt health insurance, right? Isn’t that what exhorbitant cigarette taxes are for?


29 posted on 11/12/2012 4:18:37 PM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: grundle
As irresponsible as that sounds. Isn't part of being an American not being told that you have to quit living decadently so you can by essentials from the government. It won't seem so funny when we are being told that things aren't luxuries.

Who decides whats a luxury and whats not?

The libertarian in me says if he places a higher marginal utility on his smoke let him.

30 posted on 11/12/2012 4:18:45 PM PST by Idaho_Cowboy (Ride for the Brand. Joshua 24:15)
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To: MarineMom613
11.75 pk in NYC and up. Black market 10.00 pk. Carton 117.00 per ctn.

Many of the guys who used to sell drugs are now selling cigarettes bought from other states. They make less per dosed, but it's a legal drug and at worst, they get nailed for tax evasion, which is nothing like drug possession. Also, the cigarette market dwarfs the drug market, so they do make it up in volume.

31 posted on 11/12/2012 4:21:19 PM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: MarineMom613
11.75 pk in NYC and up. Black market 10.00 pk. Carton 117.00 per ctn.

I just got back from the United Kingdom where a pack of Marlboros was about £8 or thirteen bucks. And everyone smoked!

32 posted on 11/12/2012 4:23:36 PM PST by Drew68
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To: beckysueb

I really don’t care what anyone does if I don’t have to pay for the results in any way. I don’t even want pay for their burial.


33 posted on 11/12/2012 4:23:36 PM PST by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: MarineMom613; beckysueb; 1st Division guy

Wow! Doing the quick conversion from Aussie$ to USD that’s a bundle!! And the same people complain about high prices of other stuff?


34 posted on 11/12/2012 4:24:28 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church shows up at your funeral)
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To: WKB

I’m surprised it took 12 posts to point that out. Wal-Mart won’t force him to buy insurance but in 2014 0bama will.


35 posted on 11/12/2012 4:26:08 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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Of course nobody will want to sell him insurance when he finally does develop a sickness and find it’s cancer.

Yes they will after he has served his qualifying period..........

36 posted on 11/12/2012 4:31:45 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: TigersEye

I looked before I posted and I was surprised myself. :>)


37 posted on 11/12/2012 4:32:32 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: O6ret
But smokers should be paying several times the ‘standard’ health insurance rate simply based on the fact that smokers are not as healthy as non-smokers.

It's a myth that smokers use more healthcare than non-smokers. For most of us, the overwhelming majority of our health care costs will be incurred during our last two years of life, whether one is a 17-year old dying from leukemia, a 55-year old dying from smoking-related lung cancer or a 95-year old dying from simple old age. In fact, some argue that smokers actually cost society less by dying younger, saving society decades of elderly-related health costs, retirement benefits, pensions, etc.

38 posted on 11/12/2012 4:32:49 PM PST by Drew68
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To: bgill

It is not about diapers or smokes, it is about socialism.


39 posted on 11/12/2012 4:33:11 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: grundle
Of course there was no mention of his gasoline usage or alcohol comsumption..............

Gotta blame him for sumthin so it might just as well be smoking since everybody else drinks and they would never consider ostracizing someone for that little indiscretion.......LOL!

40 posted on 11/12/2012 4:37:32 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: WKB

heh, it was a softball pitch just waiting for someone to hit it. There are going to be a lot of shocked ‘folks’ come 2014.


41 posted on 11/12/2012 4:41:16 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: grundle

Well if he is working in the right area of WalMart he should have access to cigarettes.
If he is working in payroll, he can ‘adjust’ his pay records.

Sure it is stealing - what do you call what the Government is doing to all of us?

BTW, noticing the price of cigs in the comments....I remember about 20 or 25 per pack with a couple of pennies in the side.

Then went in the Navy and they were .90 a carton and .10 a pack if they had to break open a carton....

Of course when making $75 per month that wasn’t all that cheap...unless overseas.


42 posted on 11/12/2012 4:43:16 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "Hope in one hand and $hiite in the other and see which fills up first".)
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To: Sybeck1

“My sister’s brother in law couldn’t afford baby formula but could get his cigs.”

Used to be the men in the family or the neighborhood would take such a person out back and explain the theory of prioritization to him.


43 posted on 11/12/2012 4:45:31 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: grundle

I wonder how much he spends on cigarettes each week. The article doesn’t say – but I’m guessing it’s more than $15.


I imagine it would be his own dammed business.


44 posted on 11/12/2012 4:56:29 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: TigersEye

We must be the only non smokers on this thread.


45 posted on 11/12/2012 4:58:06 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: Drew68

Good for him. Why should he be forced to buy something that it is unlikely he’ll use. Healthy,


Me neither an we did not have to spend a fortune in the spa clubs to stay in shape, just work.


46 posted on 11/12/2012 5:02:31 PM PST by ravenwolf
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To: SkyDancer

“You have to be kidding. $85 a carton????”

Nope. Not kidding.State excise tax is $25.00 per carton,and then we have federal excise,and sales tax.

In NYC the state and city tax alone would be $58.50 per carton.That’s right,$58.50.

Federal excise tax is $12.00 a carton nationwide.

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47 posted on 11/12/2012 5:07:13 PM PST by Mears
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To: WKB
I guess it's just you. lol

I'm more angry about 0bamaCare than I am about most other issues though.

48 posted on 11/12/2012 5:13:23 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: beckysueb

in MN, as blue of a state as they get, they are 55 per carton for brand name smokes.


49 posted on 11/12/2012 5:20:10 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: O6ret

simply based on the fact that smokers are not as healthy as non-smokers.


I don,t care if people smoke or not but in a free country people should be expected to take the responsibility for them selves, if i am going to pay for some one else,s medical care what does it matter if they smoke or not as that is not the point.

Also i like kissing women who smoke because the ones who don,t taste like oysters,just an observation.


50 posted on 11/12/2012 5:20:10 PM PST by ravenwolf
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