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Secede from the United States?
WTVA-TV ^ | November 13, 2012 | Robert Byers

Posted on 11/13/2012 4:23:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

FULTON, Miss. - The talk these days on many social media web sites like Facebook is a petition to secede from the United States and for states to peacefully create their own government.

We found many people who had signed the Mississippi petition like Brandy T from Saltillo, Irv C from Philadelphia and Michael A from Southaven.

Itawamba Community College Chairman of the Social Science Division Dean Burchfield said, "I think it's a movement of people who want to say they're not happy with the government."

The instructor of history doesn't put much stock in the online effort.

Burchfield said, "If a state wanted to secede, it would be more than just signature petitions. It would have to come from state leaders and people who would organize like conventions or whatever. But I don't see any state seceding."

The movement has gained the attention of some in the national media, enough for stories to be done.

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1 posted on 11/13/2012 4:23:44 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve got it!

All 50 states can secede from Washington DC.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 4:27:23 PM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The movement has gained the attention of some in the national media, enough for stories to be done.

The media is scoffing at these petitions. One ABC report mentioned a counter petition that demands signers of the succession petitions be deported.

3 posted on 11/13/2012 4:27:35 PM PST by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The movement has gained the attention of some in the national media, enough for stories to be done.

to have been written ...

4 posted on 11/13/2012 4:28:43 PM PST by plain talk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I've got a better idea.

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5 posted on 11/13/2012 4:28:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Marie

What about the other 7 states?


6 posted on 11/13/2012 4:29:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I didn't like the election results either. But, there is no way I could possibly support a State leaving the Union.
7 posted on 11/13/2012 4:29:25 PM PST by Volunteer (Though I know that the hypnotized never lie, do ya? - The Who)
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To: dfwgator
What about the other 7 states?

Well, seven out of Obama's 57 states have apparently already seceded because I can't find them anywhere.

8 posted on 11/13/2012 4:30:42 PM PST by softwarecreator
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To: Volunteer
there is no way I could possibly support a State leaving the Union So ... don't.
9 posted on 11/13/2012 4:32:01 PM PST by softwarecreator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Personally, I’ve always been pretty irritated that NY, CA, MA, and VT have a say in our national government.


10 posted on 11/13/2012 4:33:21 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why should we leave they’re the ones who need to get the hell out!


11 posted on 11/13/2012 4:35:02 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Apparently that History teacher doesn’t know his subject all that well. It wasn’t secession that caused all the pain that resulted from the Civil War. It was Lincoln’s unconstitutional response, attacking those southern states that expressed a desire to be free of that national government whose constitutional responsibility was to ensure they had that right.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 4:36:59 PM PST by RavenATB
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To: RavenATB

The other three candidates were more of the “erring sisters, depart in peace” attitude, IIRC.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 4:39:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: RavenATB

Well said and true.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 4:40:12 PM PST by varina davis (A real American patriot -- Gov. Rick Perry)
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To: EricT.

You should rub some preparation-H on that.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 4:40:31 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: dfwgator

I think that the point is being made that there are a lot of folks that are rather unhappy with the direction that things are going.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 4:40:48 PM PST by Captain7seas (Fire Jane Lubchenco)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If secession will not work, how about expulsion? Let’s expel California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Washington, DC, Hawaii, Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, and Vermont. If we got rid of the extreme left fringe of our country, we could follow the Constitution and restore the rule of law. I don’t see a down side - they would have the socialism they want, and we would have the freedom that we want.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 4:45:34 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

History repeats itself. Look what Reagan did to the USSR, after the collapse they fragmented. That will happen in the USA when we too collapse. The red will seperate and become oil exporters like in the USSR.


18 posted on 11/13/2012 4:46:44 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: skeeter

Let those states that wish to leave secede from the United States
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/228/644/059/let-those-states-that-wish-to-leave-seceed-from-the-united-states/


19 posted on 11/13/2012 4:47:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Pollster1

Let’s expel California, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Maryland, Washington, DC, Hawaii, Delaware, Maine, Rhode Island, and Vermont.

Sorry, they’ve got the freebee D vote. Let’s just wait til it collapses, then we seperate


20 posted on 11/13/2012 4:49:56 PM PST by Undecided 2012
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To: skeeter
The media is scoffing at these petitions. One ABC report mentioned a counter petition that demands signers of the succession petitions be deported.

Yeah, the underlying premises of that petition is actually frightening:

  1. That the government can unilaterally void citizenship, and therefore make the rights and privileges thereof completely conditional.
  2. That the mass deportation of [former] citizens is a good thing considering:
  3. the first amendment was enacted specifically to protect political speech, and
  4. the power to do so would easily become corrupted, bow long until it would be applied to any sort of political dissent?

21 posted on 11/13/2012 4:52:37 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: skeeter

But if you deport all the worker bee’s who’s gonna pay taxes?


22 posted on 11/13/2012 4:54:40 PM PST by Josa
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To: Pollster1

“If secession will not work, how about expulsion? Let’s expel California,...”

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23 posted on 11/13/2012 4:55:40 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: RavenATB

Absolutely


24 posted on 11/13/2012 4:55:56 PM PST by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We need precepts for a new government. Here they are:

www.freetexasconstitution.wordpress.com


25 posted on 11/13/2012 4:56:01 PM PST by grumpa
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To: RavenATB

Perfectly stated. Great post.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 4:57:32 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pollster1

Nah ... keep the real estate ... just deport the liberals. I hear Cuba is nice this time of year ...


27 posted on 11/13/2012 4:57:36 PM PST by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Please. Before you secede, read the 10th Amendment to the Constitution and begin the impeachment of Justice Roberts for violating his oath to uphold and defend the US constitution from ALL ENEMIES foreign and DOMESTIC.

This must be the battle for the hearts of American conservatives, not secession.

28 posted on 11/13/2012 4:59:53 PM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now. See if you can govern it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Doesn't the Constitution provide that the states that want to secede needn't seek out permission from the government? Couldn't they just secede by force if necessary?
I'm not a Constitutional scholar; just posing the question. The only solutions I see to us wrestling our country from the grasp of the leftists is to "reset",either by revolution, or secession and possibly reuniting somewhere down the line.

Comments?
29 posted on 11/13/2012 5:00:52 PM PST by gimme1ibertee (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If serious about this, and some are VERY, we should back the first state most likely do it.

Get the ball rolling ...


30 posted on 11/13/2012 5:02:59 PM PST by Joined2Justify (I would rather be laughing tears of JOY)
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To: Rapscallion

The country is evenly divided politically. This is unsustainable and also cruel to both the socialist and the conservative to live in forced cohabitation. Now is the time to make a geographic divide and allow the two sides somewhere to go to. Why is that so hard to understand? There are no shared common values to work with.


31 posted on 11/13/2012 5:04:31 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: gimme1ibertee

If there were a valid threat of states leaving, the other states wouldn’t be in such a rush to abuse individual states... i.e. not letting Alaska drill for their own oil.


32 posted on 11/13/2012 5:05:27 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (christian.bahits.com)
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To: RavenATB

I’m with you- what was so holy about “The Union” that it had to be preserved at the cost of thousands of lives?

What if the north had tried to get the south try to do something other than abolish slavery, like oh..say.. force them to buy health insurance ?


33 posted on 11/13/2012 5:06:17 PM PST by Mr. K (We need a TEA PARTY MARCH ON GOP HEADQUARTERS!)
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To: gimme1ibertee

In my view it’s not even a Constitutional question. Once things get to that point, it’s really more a question of ...so what’re ya gonna do to make ‘em stay? In the 1860’s we saw one response. I personally don’t think history would repeat itself in that respect, but you never know.


34 posted on 11/13/2012 5:07:20 PM PST by RKBA Democrat
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To: gimme1ibertee

The US Constitution is silent on secession. IMO the 10th amendment implies a defacto right but there are differing opinions. If you read the early writings of political leaders during ratification, if secession had been made unconstitutional in the it would have NEVER been ratified by the 13 states.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 5:08:11 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Undecided 2012

Hey now. I am in El Dorado County, Placerville and I wish we could secede from California and the USA. I hate it here.


36 posted on 11/13/2012 5:09:51 PM PST by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: cripplecreek
Kick them all out....and then,what? Replace them with some more statist RINOs? Or maybe some more "Guam will tip over" loopy-loos? It's clear we can't get any good staunch conservatives elected to either house of Congress because of rampant voter fraud that propelled the likes of Al Franken and others into seats of power.

Secession is looking better and better to me every day.
37 posted on 11/13/2012 5:10:01 PM PST by gimme1ibertee (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It's Time to Part Company
38 posted on 11/13/2012 5:13:53 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance.....)
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To: skeeter

I’m positive that some of the “national media” in 1775 were “scoffing” too.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 5:16:40 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance.....)
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To: Pollster1

Don’t forget Minnesota. They voted for the likes of Mondale, Keith Ellison, and Jesse Ventura. Kick ‘em out!


40 posted on 11/13/2012 5:19:53 PM PST by beckysueb
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To: central_va

It won’t be just divided political prefernces that break us up. We’ve always had them.

It’ll be tyranny fron DC on those who decide they’d rather risk civil war than live under it.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 5:21:27 PM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: ReaganGeneration2

There can be no reconciliation, there HAS to be a divorce. The property (states) as well as the debt needs to be divided up. We cannot continue living together. The USA with 50 states is over.


42 posted on 11/13/2012 5:24:35 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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43 posted on 11/13/2012 5:24:35 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest)
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To: APatientMan

And you should be a citizen of Quebec.


44 posted on 11/13/2012 5:32:29 PM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Apportion a state’s electoral votes as a percentage of counties won by a candidate in that state. In California, Obama won 29 counties while Romney won 29 counties as well. The electoral votes in this case would be divided 50/50 or 27.5 EVs for Obama and 27.5 EVs for Romney.

This means that in places like Pennsylvania, a candidate could not just pander to the large cities, they would also have to campaign in rural areas and take rural needs into account.


45 posted on 11/13/2012 5:43:59 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio

Or kick out GOP observers in the polls in big cities like Philadelphia, and then come up with 100% of the vote FOR Obama in some of those precincts. Imagine that! This is no different than Cuba or Hanoi


46 posted on 11/13/2012 5:58:11 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Donate, & walk precincts, not for "Parties", but for individual, principled "Candidates" (& for FR)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If secession is what a large amount of people want then they are going to have to do a lot more planning than just signing a few petitions.

Mel


47 posted on 11/13/2012 6:25:47 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

At least it’s spelled right...


48 posted on 11/13/2012 6:27:50 PM PST by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
If a State can secede from the Union, then is it legal for a county to secede from a State, a municipality from a county or a parcel of land from the county?
49 posted on 11/13/2012 6:42:17 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I remember when I joined FR ten years ago there was the occasional south vs. non-south thread. A few southern conservatives would state the right of secession. And then there would be a long string of counter posts from other members lambasting them. My how things have changed. Who knew ten years ago secession would be in Vogue with conservatives.
50 posted on 11/13/2012 6:45:23 PM PST by sonofron
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