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Was Romneys'campaign the ultimate High Finance scam?
self | 11/13/2012 | Self

Posted on 11/13/2012 8:49:48 PM PST by GlockThe Vote

My thoughts


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To: GlockThe Vote

This should be interesting.


2 posted on 11/13/2012 8:55:09 PM PST by LouAvul
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To: GlockThe Vote

No. But, makes yuh think about it and go hmmm.... WTF


3 posted on 11/13/2012 8:56:11 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Bigger than the scam of the current presidency? I think not.


4 posted on 11/13/2012 8:56:20 PM PST by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: GlockThe Vote

It was a scam, whether it was a High Finance thing is open to conjecture.


5 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:15 PM PST by doc1019
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To: GlockThe Vote

Really?

I mean....seriously?

There are a hundred valid, hard, real issues conservatives should devoting their minds and energy to...starting with say, the fact that the nation is dying.

And you want to take us down a path of questionable speculation?

Not that you don’t have the right to say it but....you know.


6 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:18 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Wow, we actually agree on something. Kudos!


7 posted on 11/13/2012 8:57:18 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

The nation isn’t just dying, it’s being killed and not just by people with a “D” by their name.


8 posted on 11/13/2012 9:02:35 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I’m as miserable as anyone at how this turned out but I don’t think it was a scam and I’m not even sure Romney actually lost. I believe there was fraud on an unprecedented scale,

I’m extremely angry and disgusted.


9 posted on 11/13/2012 9:02:55 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

It matters not.

The GOP Rino’s lost again, how many more chances should they be given? The GOP is DEAD, and has been for over a decade!

Let’s just stipulate that and move forward. Too much time is being wasted sniveling about Romney....800 posts on Mormons FGS!!

Why not 800 posts on how to run a stake thru the commie vampires, and vanquish them from American???


10 posted on 11/13/2012 9:03:34 PM PST by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: GlockThe Vote

POTUS was Romney’s lifetime ambition.


11 posted on 11/13/2012 9:11:57 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: GlockThe Vote

What did he do with all the money he raised? Although I live in Idaho (definitely not a swing state so we don’t see a lot of national election ads) I maybe saw 2 Romney ads on the tube in the weeks leading up to the vote while in comparison I must have seen dozens of Obozo ads.


12 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:09 PM PST by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Short answer — Yes, I think Romney was a fraud. Economic fraud, possibly. Political fraud, definitely.


13 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:19 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Aria

“I believe there was fraud on an unprecedented scale”

I agree. Romney should have been ready for it with lawyers in every state.


14 posted on 11/13/2012 9:13:43 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: reaganaut

I know I’ll take flak for this thread, bur looking back I can’t help but think at the thing Romney NEVER SAID.


15 posted on 11/13/2012 9:14:39 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Vendome

I’m not into the Kool aid. I voted for Romney but as I look back and reflect at what happened - I’m thinking rush was righ months ago. Money was never supposed to win, just mitigate loss in the senate and retain the house of reps for the GOP.


16 posted on 11/13/2012 9:16:51 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Newtoidaho

“I maybe saw 2 Romney ads on the tube in the weeks leading up to the vote while in comparison I must have seen dozens of Obozo ads.”

And Romney still carried it 65 - 33. You saw exactly what I would have expected.


17 posted on 11/13/2012 9:17:31 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: GlockThe Vote

Do you post anything that doesn’t seem to have Ron Paul as the subtext?

Why not just try leaving Paul off your list for a while, instead of placing him front and center in everything?


18 posted on 11/13/2012 9:17:41 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

What was that?


19 posted on 11/13/2012 9:19:16 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: GlockThe Vote

Oddly enough, I was wondering the very same thing.


20 posted on 11/13/2012 9:21:54 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: ansel12

Romney shoved the tea party , palin , Paul, etc aside in favor of the rove types. They raised literally hundreds of millions of dollars and had zero GOTV plan.

Want to explain to me?


21 posted on 11/13/2012 9:21:54 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Hoosier-Daddy

We all sat for months on this site wondering where the money was going.

free Republic could have run a better campaign on a shoe string.


22 posted on 11/13/2012 9:25:12 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: ILS21R

I am a lawyer who tried to volunteer for his campaign and will tell you this was the worst EVEr. McCain 2008 was better run.


23 posted on 11/13/2012 9:28:02 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: GlockThe Vote

We’ve already been through that. What was the thing that Romney never said?


24 posted on 11/13/2012 9:29:50 PM PST by ILS21R
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To: GlockThe Vote

There woulod have been lots of lovely moola left in the kitty...

Willard knows how to hide off shore accounts...

and Im wondering if Willard wasnt broke personally...

He hasnt worked since 1999...

Hes been living off his investments etc...

Maybe he gambled once too often over the years...

that scam he run would have been a temptation he wouldnt and couldnt pass up...

Ann doesnt like to be poor...


25 posted on 11/13/2012 9:31:15 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: GlockThe Vote

That is the other thing, quit using Governor Palin’s name in conjunction with Paul, in every thing you post.

Paul could never have been a Governor, or even a Senator, even in Texas, he is retiring from his safe seat as an mediocre congressman and moving on after 30 years as a career political hack and cult leader, you should too.


26 posted on 11/13/2012 9:31:15 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

No. I think there was too much voter fraud. Even Jesus Himself would have lost.

Considering the stories we heard about Romney where he helps out people, I wonder if he isn’t somehow helping out Allen West right now.

It’s been a week. I’m sure there’s a lot of tying up loose ends with the campaign being done now. If it were me, I’d want those out of the way so the focus could be on the next step with a clear head.


27 posted on 11/13/2012 9:35:22 PM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: freedomfiter2

Ya...I was thinking along the lines of “dying from a gunshot wound”.

But right now I’m...not angry...I don’t know. For a week now, I’ve been trying to figure out what word describes how I’m feeling.

It’s a combination of concepts that I never would have thought I’d be able to have brought up in me at the same time.

I think it’s ‘terrified calm’. It’s probably a less intense experiencing of what I would have felt had I been say....in a trench in WWI and knew I was going to be part of planned attack, and was absolutely going to have to go over the top in 6 hours.

But, I prattle. The point is I said “dying” because I’m trying to keep from sounding more crazy than normal.


28 posted on 11/13/2012 9:37:52 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

“...create just enough buzz to keep the GOP control of the house of reps..”

Nailed it! That’s all the establishment Republicans were ever concerned about. Who’s going to control all the big spending Obama was going to do.


29 posted on 11/13/2012 9:38:38 PM PST by Bizhvywt
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To: GlockThe Vote

“Obama is an extreme liberal”?


30 posted on 11/13/2012 9:40:21 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Romney helps Mormons not conservative candidates.

Romney would try to stop West, and anybody else connected with the Reagan/Palin wing of the GOP unless it served him in some manner, and he just had to do it for image, now that the election is over, never.


31 posted on 11/13/2012 9:42:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: ansel12

That was the first thing I noticed too...


32 posted on 11/13/2012 9:44:27 PM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: GlockThe Vote

The scam was Karl Rove and his cabal of consultants - they all convinced the Koch Brothers and AFP and Sheldon Adelson to concentrate the money in Rove’s hands - being the “genius” and the “architecht” and all - and those guys foolishly did.

Thus, the organic brilliance of the American people, which would have sprung up had the money been spread to maybe 25 PACS instead of one, was not tapped into. It was an elitist centrallly operated campaign which worked like elitist central government: as in, it doesn’t.

So the scam was Rove and the boys. Mitt? He just screwed up


33 posted on 11/13/2012 9:49:20 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright ("WTF?: How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost....Again")
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To: onyx

Well that and to be a Mormon ‘general authority’. I’m expecting even with the loss he gets the ‘call’ in a few years.


34 posted on 11/13/2012 9:52:56 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Hindsight is always 20/20


35 posted on 11/13/2012 9:53:46 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: ILS21R; Newtoidaho

And Romney still carried it 65 - 33.

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Quite a bit of that was the Mormon factor.


36 posted on 11/13/2012 9:54:47 PM PST by reaganaut (Kyrie eleison...Christe eleison...Kyrie eleison)
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To: Bikkuri; GlockThe Vote

I think other people are tired of the Paul devotion and persistence, also.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959100/posts?page=23#23


37 posted on 11/13/2012 9:56:49 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: ansel12

Wow.. talk about a mouthful .. hehe

I don’t understand why Paultards think he (and they) are Conservative... They really have some serious issues (problems, not platforms) and need a hard slap to the face to knock some sense in their heads :p


38 posted on 11/13/2012 10:09:43 PM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Bikkuri

They are everywhere, conservative sites have Paul devotees, left wing sites have Paul devotees, hate sites have Paul devotees, his worshipers have given him the lifestyle.

Could the man ever win an election outside of his safe district? Of course not.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 10:17:16 PM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

IT wasn’t just that. Rove and Mitt’s consultants make the most money by just churning out traditional TV ads, so that’s what they did, while Obama’s campaign put much more into new media and their ground game.

The NYTimes also did a piece on how incredibly much more the Romney campaign paid per ad than the Obama campaign, because Mitt’s men were focused on what made the most money for them.


40 posted on 11/13/2012 10:58:05 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: GlockThe Vote

I heard that and thought it was a loser strategy and guess what? I wuz right.

They should have stuck with a more controversial right winger, who at least had a vision for America and a plan to get there.

Mutt was nuttin but muddled....


41 posted on 11/13/2012 11:41:06 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Yep. I actually feel like I went through the 5 stages of grief.

Denial went by super fast when Romney didn't wait a full hour before conceding. Anger lasted a few days. (I almost pushed a large Home Depot flatbed dolly loaded with concrete into a Mexican woman because she tried to cut in line, and pretended not to hear me. But she was more agile than she looked and she avoided injury.)

Bargaining was over when I realized Issa isn't going to be able to get anyone to testify much less discover grounds for impeachment. I was definitely depressed for a few days but its not really my nature to mope around when there is work to do.

So now I'm in the acceptance phase. I accept that we have 4 more years with this commie psychopath at the helm of our fine ship. I am sure he intends on steering us straight into every rock along the way until we are sunk. I will just continue to collect my life preservers and wait.

Anyone know a reputable gold seller? I guess I'm looking for gold buffaloes or maple leaves. Everything looks to be right at $50 bucks over the spot price per ounce. Is that about right?

42 posted on 11/13/2012 11:48:30 PM PST by Casie
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To: Casie
Gold is too expensive. Impossible to sell without generating an information return to the IRS. Buy silver in 1 oz. chunks, worth about $35. You can sell them without becoming the recipient of an IRS notification of a taxable transaction.

Even better, buy a bunch of 90% silver mercury or Roosevelt dimes, use them to pay for meals with savvy restauranteurs.

Mercury dimes are better, in my opinion, because the waitress or cashier does not see them often, and is more easily convinced they are more valuable than a 1990 or 2000 Roosevelt dime he or she sees everyday.

This is very valuable in its use for tips for waitresses. (Be sure to explain to them that they can take them to their local coin/precious metal dealers and exchange for 25-30 times face value, and only have to report a $.10 tip to the IRS.)

Otherwise, you might get forked in a kidney on your way out of the restaurant. Silver coins are still legal tender.

Legally, the waitress is required to report the profit on the conversion of her dime to “Federal reserve notes”, but after you have explained this to him/her, You are not legally required to be sure he/she does so. Where can you find silver coins? If you can't figure this out, buy a TV.

43 posted on 11/14/2012 2:32:42 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: reaganaut

Exactly. So why spend money where you already have it locked up?


44 posted on 11/14/2012 3:55:26 AM PST by ILS21R
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To: reaganaut; ILS21R; Newtoidaho
Quite a bit of that was the Mormon factor.

It doesn't matter what the factor was--look at the big pic. Some states were in the bag for Romney, just as some states were in the bag for 0bama. Why would either candidate spend $$ where there was no legitimate need? That's not hinky, that's sound business decision-making.

If you want to know how R/R's money was spent, look at the swing states.

45 posted on 11/14/2012 5:32:48 AM PST by grellis (I am Jill's overwhelming sense of disgust.)
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To: ILS21R

I am referring to the national ad buys, not the local/state buys. For example, Monday Night Football, both games in the 2 weeks before the vote I was seeing Obozo’s ugly mug up there 2 to 3 times each game. No Romney ads.

Supposedly Romney raised just as much or more than Obozo, and I was seeing plenty of Obozo ads (even in Idaho, a state he had no chance in), but very seldom a Romney ad.

And if he was spending just on local buys in the swing states, a fat lot of good that did him.


46 posted on 11/14/2012 6:55:28 AM PST by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: Newtoidaho

All I know is that niot one of us knew where all that money they raised went. Hundred Million a month went where?

No ads in most states, no GOTV efforts, some weird computer program only a few knew about.

Hate to by cyncial, but this all seems like a Bernie Madoff operation to me in retrospect.


47 posted on 11/14/2012 6:58:59 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: grellis

In the last week before the election I kept expecting to start seeing a lot of Romney ads on nationally broadcast programs but it never happened.

Obozo, on the other hand, you could not escape his ads no matter where you turned.


48 posted on 11/14/2012 7:03:13 AM PST by Newtoidaho (Fight organized crime. Vote out all incumbent Democrats!)
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To: Newtoidaho

Think about it - I have not heard one person on this site EVER say they saw a lot of romney ads on TV.

Heard nothing on radio, nothing on tv, zero.

No interviews on Rush or Levin or Savage. Scant interviews on other media outlets.

I volunteered and the entire campaign seemed like a shell game. All I got were endless fundraising emails when I inquired where to go what to do, etc.


49 posted on 11/14/2012 7:09:36 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: grellis

Even people in VA said they never saw ads etc.


50 posted on 11/14/2012 7:10:49 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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