Skip to comments.Proposed Concepts for the Constitution of the New Republic of Texas
Posted on 11/14/2012 1:30:01 PM PST by grumpa
The United States federal government has usurped its power under its Constitution. It has become oppressive and unresponsive to the people of America. Under both major political parties, it has lost control of its fiscal responsibilities which will irreparably harm us and our posterity. It is time that Texans free ourselves from such oppression and peacefully secede. But before doing so, we should have direction for a new Republic. This document is an outline for concepts to be incorporated in the new Constitution for the independent Republic of Texas.
Reasons for Texas to Peacefully Secede:
(1) Freedom. We would control our own destiny. (2) Financial. A free and independent Texas would experience an unprecedented economic boom. People would be moving here in droves. Whatever debt we have to assume of our share of the US government could be paid off.
(Excerpt) Read more at freetexasconstitution.wordpress.com ...
1. It would mean war. Answer: This is not 1860. Even the Soviet Union broke up without war.
2. Obama will never let us go. Answer: There is one reason why he might--34 electoral votes that are always a problem for liberals. Anyway, to rephrase Davey Crocket, "To hell with Obama, I'm going to Texas."
3. The civil war settled the issue. Answer: The north won by force, but that did not settle the issue. A free people always have the right to govern themselves and have the right to separate when their government usurps their rights.
4. It'll never happen. Answer: It has happened before; it will happen again. The yearning for freedom is greater than any impediment.
5. What about the US debt? Answer: Texas would have to assume its share of the debt. But the huge economic boom we would experience would help us pay off the debt.
Good luck with that. Lol
6. What about the people on Medicare and Social Security in Texas?
7. The Demographic question?
I see the re-election of Obama has literally driven people insane.
The only way any state is leaving this country is after the country no longer exists at all.
I’m absolutely sure that there were the same remarks made in 1775 by some of the Brits..LOL
Why have you excerpted your own garbage?
And how would Mayor Castro of San Antonio still be a rising star in the Democrat party, if Texas isn’t in the union? Would Texas Democrats have to move to some other liberal state which was still in the union, so they could pursue their political destiny???
The left is in control and has obtained total control in California. As I see it this secession movement is in fact a statement to the left that we on the right can no longer live with you. We have nothing in common with the left.
I’m not a secessionist, but Progressives have been fomenting civil war for a century. I wrote Surviving Civil War II as a look at the structure of modern civil war in the Internet age. Obama is already fighting an asymmetric civil war using union brownshirts, OWS anarchists, illegal aliens, the EPA etc. as proxy army.
I don’t see any signs that a majority of the people in Texas want to secede. And if they did, I doubt that the populations of Austin, San Antonio or Dallas would want to go with them.
Anyway, to rephrase Davey Crocket, “To hell with Obama, I’m going to Texas.”
That’s basically one main problem Texas has today with the influx both legal and illegal.
5. What about the US debt? Answer: Texas would have to assume its share of the debt. But the huge economic boom we would experience would help us pay off the debt. ALSO, Texas would cap the debt as of the separation. We won’t have to accept endless added debt.
6. What about the people on Medicare and Social Security in Texas? Answer: Either they emigrate to California or Wisconsin where their fate will not be the responsibility of the people of Texas, or they transition to whatever system the sovereign people of Texas may put in place in the Republic of Texas.
7. The Demographic question? Answer: The Republic of Texas will be able to put into place whatever measures deemed appropriate to control its borders and put into place appropriate immigration policies without interference from distant statist busybodies. Beyond that there is no “demographic” question.
It would be awesome, but its not going to happen. I’d totally be in favor though.
See my petition at White House.gov dealing with the folks of Austin:
We could go statewide with the program.
But one suggestion I would put forth is not copy the bill of rights verbatum. Change a few words here and there, eg first amendment clarify freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion; and the second amendment, place with emphasis the phrase INDIVIDUAL RIGHT to keep and bear arms, with language preventing the kind of crap we see today, eg "assualt weapon bans."
Talk to us... about all the reasons you believe it’s garbage.
This is no time to hold back, using a seven word sentence to deliver an insult to stifle discussion. Being blunt is cool, but not in these times. I’m all ears.
“Im absolutely sure that there were the same remarks made in 1775 by some of the Brits..LOL”
It’s not 1775.
Texas isn’t leaving the Union.
The seniors aren’t going to be willing to give up their SS and Medicare, even the conservative seniors won’t support that.
In 1775 there was no cable TV or X-Box or smart phones or any of that. Average people aren’t going to do anything that hard.
What happens to all the national business based here.
The secede now group is dreaming and all because they lost an election.
What states realistically would consider secession? Those big wealthy states like Mississippi? Lol
Any new confederacy would be stone broke before the ink was dry on their new constitutions.
Right after that the states that left the union would turn on each other.
I kind of think this isn’t anything but a breath holding tantrum by a very small percentage of voters who have become unhinged over the loss of an election.
Because it's a blog and it's excerpted in order that the pimp gets a few hits.
That alone makes it garbage. Posted in full it might not be garbage.
One thing the Republic of Texas would need immediately is a bank outside of the jurisdiction of the united states and its own currency.
>>6. What about the people on Medicare and Social Security in Texas? Answer: Either they emigrate to California or Wisconsin where their fate will not be the responsibility of the people of Texas, or they transition to whatever system the sovereign people of Texas may put in place in the Republic of Texas.<<
Interesting point. The argument could be made that since Texas would assume its share of US debt; then it is entitled to money that the Yankee government would pay out - or a reduction in debt.
I hear you but isn’t the problem more one of intent than words? For instance the fruitcakes who want to ban guns would say that an amendment guaranteeing an “individual” right to bear arms means that two or more cannot bear arms together or something equally silly. They always look for some way to twist the language and they claim that what IS written IMPLIES something else that is NOT WRITTEN but which they DESIRE.
Democrats will leave Texas and all of the God Fearing States of America with no choice. They will demand we particiate in unmitigated evil under their new federal laws.
Anyone with even a morsel of conscience and integrity will be compelled to refuse.
They will come with the UN (with whom they treasonously colluded and empowered) to force states to comply.
State legislatures will fight to protect.
That is what Obama wants and has always wanted.
Hardline communists like Obama, Soros, Stalin, Lenin & Mao have NEVER had any objective less than world domination. They blame whatever free countries that are left for the failure of communism - like liberals blame Republicans after liberals destroy nations with debt and demented social programs.
It’s fun to fantasize about an amicable seperation where they get to live in their failing Utopia and we get to live like decent, civilzed, God fearing humans.
The problem is that “Democrats” (misnomer for Communists) are evil in nature and deed.
Therefore, they cannot live knowing you are living as a decent, noble creature as God intended.
They will come for you until they enslave you or you defeat them as Reagan did.
Many hate to hear this because these reprobates are their children or descendents.
One problem is, even though we all view our states as Red and Blue, The Red states still have almost FORTY percent voting for the other guy, and the same is true in the Blue states.
Finally closing the border would fall under national defense.
Oh. You get me every dang time. I thought you were criticising the TX push back. Didn’t even notice it was a trailer for a blog. Oh me, I must have the shortest antenna of the lot. Thx
You’re the best (and crankiest) Cloussou on the site! My bad. :D
We should only assume the debts if we also acquire all the feds physical assets in Texas. We would be buying these assets by taking our share of the debts. Otherwise, no reason to take on their debts.
If they want to leave, no problem. We can assist in their relocation.
Oh HELL no!
Criticism of blogpimps is across the board, without regard to my opinion about the topic.
Fair & balanced. ;-)
We can only hope!
Secession is pretty much a non-starter unless a lot of States manage at the same time and have adjacent borders. Else there will be a siege of sorts to keep them from trading among each other for survival necessities. Unless each State has everything it needs within its borders, it’s toast. The Dollar will become illegal for them to use and their own scrip will be worthless except within the borders.
Actually, there was an interesting poll conducted by a San Antonio TV station on this topic last night. A surprising 63% of San Antonio respondents said they would like to see Texas secede!
Austin is a given; they will want to stay with the socialists (we'll miss them . . . . . . NOT!); and Dallas could be a tossup.
If Texas or any state DOES secede, I will move there.
Target reached, bull’s eye, hammer meets nail, bingo, on the dime, straight up, you have said it all.
There is no other scenario. The rest is naval gazing dillusion, an exercise that sucks up oxygen, delaying the look in the mirror when we each will have our “Come to Jesus” moment. Some of us, even here will fail the test. We aren’t sacrificial for squat anymore if it’s going to give us a hangnail.
I would love to see Texas create the ‘Texas Dollar’, back by GOLD.
LOL! Your old poopery is starting to grow on me, as I sloooowly come around to appreciate your bs. Lol!
Texas, Louisiana and Florida are leading the pack. When I was younger, I served in the military and went to war in a craphole to provide and protect democracy in a craphole that didn't really care.
A lot of my contemporaries lost their lives fighting for that craphole, but NONE of us went to war to protect an America that exists today. We went to ensure that America WOULDN'T become a craphole!
So, if it comes down to a choice between going to war to leave America the looming craphole and enjoying the benefits of the America the Founding Fathers left to us, count me in!! I'm not willing to play this game that we are going to fix everything in another 2 or 4 years. We're not. Things are already so bad and trending downward that, in 4 years, there may not even be another presidential election because Dear Leader LIKES his paid vacation at the expense of the expense of the slaves.
What now exists cannot be undone at the ballot box, it can only be undone (unfortunately) with violence. Years ago, I was willing to give my life to protect a craphole. Today, I am MORE than willing to give my life trying to protect the freedom, liberty and representative republic called America that I grew up in.
I think it ludicrous to petition Obama for separation. You separate then deal with the details, there is no other way. The Supreme Court was supposedly set up to protect us from tyranny, but they have enabled it. We will not be able to live side by side with evil for much longer, but we need a leader in Texas. We probably don’t have that yet but when the society breaks down as it will soon I suspect somebody will emerge.
I live in Texas and I didn’t sign up for Socialism! You other critcs can stay for the mass graves that socialism/communism always leads to. As for me and my family, I wan’t the F*ck out!
this petition will go nowhere, but it finally, maybe starts the conversation. most colonists in 1770 would have never even considered secession in 1776 a possibility. And, my understanding is that many colonists stayed loyal to Britian even during the war.
In recent times, many countries have peacefully broken up. I hope Texas can do so within 10 years, before it is too late.
“Texas, Louisiana and Florida are leading the pack. When I was younger, I served in the military and went to war in a craphole to provide and protect democracy in a craphole that didn’t really care.
A lot of my contemporaries lost their lives fighting for that craphole, but NONE of us went to war to protect an America that exists today. We went to ensure that America WOULDN’T become a craphole!
So, if it comes down to a choice between going to war to leave America the looming craphole and enjoying the benefits of the America the Founding Fathers left to us, count me in!! I’m not willing to play this game that we are going to fix everything in another 2 or 4 years. We’re not. Things are already so bad and trending downward that, in 4 years, there may not even be another presidential election because Dear Leader LIKES his paid vacation at the expense of the expense of the slaves.
What now exists cannot be undone at the ballot box, it can only be undone (unfortunately) with violence. Years ago, I was willing to give my life to protect a craphole. Today, I am MORE than willing to give my life trying to protect the freedom, liberty and representative republic called America that I grew up in.”
Those states won’t ever seriously consider secession. They may be leading the pack but it’s still less people than live in a medium sized city.
The only people touting secession are a small percentage of disgruntled conservatives. The other side of the coin of the disgruntled liberals who all threatened to leave the country when GWB was elected.
A time machine to transport yourself back to the era of your choice is more realistic than secession.
I’ll answer you in a three word sentence:
The Civil War.
Texas would lose a few million rif-raf and liberals and parasites, but how would they handle the many millions of America’s finest families and people swarming in?
I guess we would just have to see how the closest modern version of the original founding types of America, worked it out.
I answer by way of #24, and #37 upthread. Therein you will see the really last word on the point.
“In addition, the Legislature may also financially encourage (or require) workers to have Personal Retirement Accounts.”
Even supposed conservatives cannot resist controlling individuals & their assets. I guess decades of federal intrusion have ingrained the idea that the state needs to participate in health & retirement issues. That is failed socialism, IMO.
These statements are preceded by this:
“We reject false promises of utopianism which the statist uses to justify all trespasses on the individuals private property, sovereignty, and liberty.”
Requiring health & retirement accounts trespasses on private property & individual sovereignty. The state should have no influence on health care & retirement other than policing against criminality.
Well, rita, I have to say that I agree with Publius as well. He is a very smart fellow, I must say.
We are indeed left with no choice now, and that is only going to get worse, however, no choice is exactly that, no choice.
There will be no peaceful secession or anything of the sort. This country has become evil, and is not about to let those whom are good separate and go live over there undisturbed.
That is not the nature of evil. Evil seeks power, and it lusts to control.
If we separated from it successfully somehow, it would then come to kill us if not before then.
While I would very, very much like to divorce myself from the ****ing idiots and bastards of America, I can’t.
I do believe that myself and the rest of us are on this ship for the entire ride, and I believe the rest of the world may also be on that same ship, and we are headed directly into a maelstrom unlike anything ever seen in the history of mankind.
Truth is, 536 + 9 corrupt, self-serving traitors & their cronies are pillaging this country & enslaving the people. They are making our lives miserable. We should return the misery - times millions times months, or as long as it takes.
The MSM can ignore Benghazi, Fast & Furious, & a host of Washington corruption, but can it ignore mass protests at its front (& rear) doors? Can it ignore protesters who pursue the MSM as part of the national fraud? I seriously doubt it. Can "celebrities" ignore angry protests where they live & hang out? They will vomit in fear, & rightly so.
Why pursue the historically violent, often failed route of secession when massive protest can produce desired results without war? Why abandon good people in the other 49 states, as well as the power & wealth of the combined 50 states? Leaving these bums in charge of the other 49 states is irresponsible, plus it leaves a mortal enemy on our doorstep.
Frankly, before we consider secession, perhaps we should consider expelling a few states from the Union.