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Why GOP won't challenge Voter Fraud
Fellowship of the Minds ^ | 11/16/2013 | Chrisnj

Posted on 11/16/2012 8:43:43 PM PST by chrisnj

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To: Tublecane

“You obviously didn’t read the article”

It’s not an article, it’s a stinking blog!!!


51 posted on 11/16/2012 11:25:57 PM PST by dalereed
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To: dalereed

“It’s not an article, it’s a stinking blog!!!”

The thing as a whole is a blog. What we’re talking about is a specific entry or post. I never thought anything was wrong with calling a blog post an article, so long as it’s longer than a tweet and coherent enough to be more than a passing thought.


52 posted on 11/16/2012 11:32:04 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: MestaMachine
Mesta, can you tell if this is a real court decision?

GREENAWAY, JR., Circuit Judge.
In 1982, the Republican National Committee (“RNC”) and the Democratic National Committee (“DNC”) entered into a consent decree (the “Decree” or “Consent Decree”), which is national in scope, limiting the RNC’s ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court’s approval in advance." [follow the link]

53 posted on 11/16/2012 11:53:00 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: chrisnj

The statist propagandists like to use the label “voter suppression” to describe any activity where free speech and free association dissuades a person from casting a vote for a democrat.

But no matter my intent, I’m free to “suppress” any voter I want to as long as I’m not threatening or committing fraud. And so is anyone else.

And I’m free to associate with any other person. The RNC, like any other organization that cannot ‘practically’ exclude members, is a free association.

As such, the association has the same rights collectively as the individuals that make up the association.

Whether or not some legal decision, consent decree, or law says differently does not make my opinion wrong.

In fact, I’m about fed up with people telling me right is wrong just because some left-wing statist court says so.


54 posted on 11/17/2012 1:00:10 AM PST by PressurePoint
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To: Jet Jaguar

It’s not vote fraud, I hate to be the voice of reason here. The GOP ran the most moderate candidate (practically a democrat), and still lost. The country is now moderate-left, at least in the swing states, and that’s all that matters. Unless you want 8 years of Clinton again starting in 2016 the GOP must moderate. The GOP needs to be far-right on non-social issues, and accepting of the left on social issues.


55 posted on 11/17/2012 2:19:11 AM PST by Snow1854
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Yep, manchurian candidate Barack Obama, who apparently, according to the blog, had a lobotomy: “we’ll never know why Obama has that very long scar running from one side of his head, over the crown, to the other side” (maybe the blog writer thinks Obama had his brain transplanted with the preserved cranium of Lenin or something).

I know the answer to that one...


56 posted on 11/17/2012 3:21:29 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: chrisnj

Sure - and like the Masons and other groups, all the new members continue on with the secret handshakes and the sacred duty to make their presence immaterial.


57 posted on 11/17/2012 3:58:06 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: meadsjn

It’s sure a long bunch of stuff that LOOKS legit, but I don’t see any signatures or seals to prove it. It isn’t signed by a judge. It isn’t notarized. There may be a judgement on file that does have them, but this isn’t it.


58 posted on 11/17/2012 4:04:38 AM PST by MestaMachine (TREASON!!!!)
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To: chrisnj

I refuse to believe this.
This smells to high Heaven. Rat stench all over it.

What about Col West and other Republicans who have hired lawyers and have challenged the count?


59 posted on 11/17/2012 7:31:13 AM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: chrisnj

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What you can do:

These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan:

Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. (See contact information below. Please provide others in COMMENTS.)

Send them the press clippings, or personal testimonials of clear vote fraud witnessed. (Statistical aberrations are helpful too like a historical 50% turnout in 2004, 2008 but a 90% turnout in a specific precinct despite an overall LOWER state turnout.)

Demand a public recount AND investigation, with a commitment to fight to replace THEM in the next election if they do not do so.

Email/Phone/Visit EVERY WEEK if not EVERY DAY. This will take weeks of steady pressure to get them to move.
Get your friends and neighbors to do the same.
Contact the OTHER 4 states to do the same as above.
Contact the Governor and the local GOP office with the SAME pressure.
(List of web contacts for each below)

If you are in those states (or know people who are) start attempting to find OTHERS with evidence of fraud. See if you can identify the precinct judges where the statistical aberations occur to pass along to the True the Vote which is set up to sue these entities with Judicial Watch.

Try to visit (or call) your local representative asking for their help to put pressure on. It doesn’t hurt that if they don’t or won’t you make it your goal to find and fund a challenger to them for allow open and honest elections – the fabric of freedom in this country – to not only go unchallenged, but to institutionalized.

Contact your city, state and national media to keep this story alive as well. (Fox News has an email just for this at voterfraud@foxnews.com)

Help us find, fund or coordinate willing lawyers, statisticians, pollsters and activists.

I can not reiterate enough that if this is NOT CHALLENGED NOW, we will could loose the House of Representatives in 2014 and possibly every election forward to massive voter fraud. Imagine Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi reenacting the first two years of Obama’s reign with more Stimulus, Cash for Cars, Solyndra’s and ObamaCare’s.

This fight can not be put off for another election cycle or another day. Or there will no longer be a constitutional America. Put down your foot and make the declaration, “THIS VOTE FRAUD WILL NOT STAND!”

Via SafariWoman at TeamNetworks.net
Here’s contact info for all states:
OHIO:
(614) 466-2655
(877) SOS-Ohio (767-6446)
TTY: (614) 466-0562
TTY Toll-free: (877) 644-6889
E-mail the Agency
180 East Broad Street, 16th Floor
Columbus, Ohio 43215
WISCONSIN:
30 W. Mifflin, 10th Floor
Madison, WI
(608) 266-8888
PENNSYLVANIA:
302 N Office Building
Harrisburg, PA 17120
(717) 787-6458
VIRGINIA:
Office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth
1111 East Broad Street, 4th Floor
Richmond, Virginia 23219
(804) 786-2441
Fax: (804) 371-0017
FLORIDA:
Director’s Office (for Elections)
Main Line: (850) 245-6200
Fax Numbers: (850) 245-6217 or (850) 245-6218
Email: DivElections@dos.state.fl.us
Mailing Address:
Department of State
Division of Elections
Director’s Office
Room 316, R. A. Gray Building
500 South Bronough Street
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0250
From Christa Schauf:
THIS PHONE LIST IS COMPLETE FOR ALL 50 STATES http://teapartyorg.ning.com/page/house-of-representatives

House of Representatives
U.S Capitol Switchboard – 202-224-3121
STATE GOVERNORS
(1) Rick Scott, Governor of Florida
http://www.flgov.com/contact-gov-scott/email-the-governor/

(2) John R. Kasich, Governor of Ohio
http://governor.ohio.gov/Contact/ContacttheGovernor.aspx

(3) Bob McDonnell, Governor of Virginia
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/AboutTheGovernor/contactGovernor.cfm

(4) Scott Walker, Governor of Wisconsin
govgeneral@wisconsin.gov
(5)Tom Corbett, Governor of Pennsylvania
http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Governor/govmail.html

(6) Rick Snyder, Governor of Michigan
(1) Mitt Romney
http://www.mittromney.com/forms/suggestions

(2) Republican National Committee
http://www.gop.com/contact-us/Fox

News
(3) National Republican Senatorial Committee
http://www.nrsc.org/contact-us/

(4) National Republican Congressional Committee
E-mail: website@nrcc.org
(5) FOX News
foxnewstips@foxnews.com
(6) FOX News
Friends@foxnews.com
(7) Rush Limbaugh
ElRushbo@eibnet.com
(8) Mark Levin
http://www.marklevinshow.com/contactus.asp

(9) Shawn Hanity
http://www.hannity.com/contact

(10) Laura Ingraham
http://www.lauraingraham.com/help

(11) Michelle Malkin
Email: writemalkin@gmail.com
(12) Newt Gingrich
http://www.newt.org/contact/

Petitions for Recount!
Petition to Congress
Petition to White House
Petition to GOP
Petition to FEC
Petition to Count Denied Military Votes

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60 posted on 11/17/2012 7:32:23 AM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: Snow1854

Voter Fraud Links

The American Dream; 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/22-signs-that-voter-fraud-is-wildly-out-of-control-and-the-election-was-a-sham

Town Hall : Obama Lilely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud
http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen?
http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/11/was_the_2012_election_stolen.html

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959584/posts

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2957786/posts

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2959877/posts

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012?
http://www.realville-usa.com/2012/11/the-great-election-robbery-of-2012.html#!/2012/11/the-great-election-robbery-of-2012.html

WND: Here’s How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/heres-how-touchscreens-killed-romney-votes/?cat_orig=politics

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/election-fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports:
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/the-big-list-of-vote-fraud-reports/


61 posted on 11/17/2012 7:37:40 AM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: chrisnj

What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about Patraeus' sex life.


Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent

There’s overwhelming evidence of fraud.- Here


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MITT ROMNEY TWEETS ABOUT ELECTION FRAUD:

>MITT ROMNEY in 2012! ‏@PlanetRomney #tcot The Competent Conservative: Elections Have Not Yet Been Certified. Here’s What You Can Do: - Here

Excerpt from Mitt Romney's reference:

These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here

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SARAH PALIN speaks out on Twitter about massive Obama machine voter fraud:

>Sarah Palin @SarahPalinUSA Between suppression of the military vote and voter fraud, Obama stole another election. http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/46302 …DEMAND A RECOUNT! #VoterFraud

>Sarah Palin;@SarahPalinUSA People need to stop pointing fingers within the GOP and investigate the Dems' massive voter fraud and suppression of the military vote.

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing list. Most prominent 'vote fraud site' on the net) > Visit the site- Here

Most of 'Obama Voter Fraud' activity is moving to FaceBook. 'Obama Voter Fraud Volunteers' Here
'Obama Voter Fraud' on FaceBook- Here

Sign their petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, emails- Here

Another petition, The 'We The People' petition has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

_____________________________________________________
'American Thinker'- "..Election stolen." Here-

'WND' List of voter fraud reports Here

'ATLAS SHRUGS' voter fraud list. 'Atlas Shrugs' has a list but cannot link. Contains video of eyewitness pollwatcher who verifies busload of Somalians bussed in, 95% spoke no english. Told to vote Obama. Google 'Atlas Shrugs voter fraud list'

< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

__________________________________________________

Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here

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We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....

We are FReepers. We must fight!

Those who shrug and accept this atrocity without a fight are not worthy to be called Freepers!




62 posted on 11/17/2012 7:39:57 AM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: Tublecane

I didn’t read the blog. What I posted is a quoted comment.


63 posted on 11/17/2012 7:49:53 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: chrisnj

This caught my attention. It is a travesty that such a ruling would be so one sided and that the run-of-mill Republican voters all over the USA were not aware that such a limitation was in place. However, I don’t believe this ruling prevents any Republican congressperson from exercising independent individual action as to seeking redress from fraudulent votes/voting. Is a congressperson individually the Party? As such I think it is possible that at the ‘counting’ of electoral votes if any Republican can put together that a vote is from a certain district that has been shown to have fraudulent voting the question of the status of that vote might be raised and put for deliberation.


64 posted on 11/17/2012 8:28:54 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: meadsjn
An interesting snippet from that paper:
As the District Court correctly points out, the Decree only requires preclearance for programs involving the prevention of in-person voter fraud. Furthermore, the District Court has never prevented the RNC from implementing a voter fraud prevention program that the RNC has submitted for preclearance, at least in part, because the RNC has never submitted any voter fraud prevention program for preclearance.
At worst, the decree requires pre-clearance. But never in the history of the decree has the RNC ever submitted a voter fraud program to get clearance.

So the argument that the decree prevents the RNC from doing voter fraud seems to be incorrect; the decree has never prevented the RNC from doing anything, because the court has never rejected any plan the RNC had, because the RNC has never had a plan.

Further, the decree has only been invoked a couple of times, has never prevented a program when it was invoked, and the RNC has argued in those cases that it was not participating in voter fraud.

The reason the RNC doesn't do minority-targeted voter fraud investigation is because doing so hurts the republican party.

65 posted on 11/17/2012 8:50:39 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Ah, the conspiracists have finally figured out that we aren’t idiots, and that they need to explain why it is that politicians aren’t fighting voter fraud.

And I guess they figure 30 years is long enough ago that nobody will be able to check them. Of course, I imagine a good number of the conspiracists weren’t born 30 years ago.

Of course, the like a good conspiracy, it has vague generalities to keep from getting tripped up in the pesky reality of details. So “the GOP” made a deal with “the Democrats” “30 years ago” (That is 1982, 2 years into the great President Ronald Reagan’s 8 year presidential term).

You apparently don't understand federal judges, or "consent decrees".

When I read the whole article, my antenna went up, because I have been following vote fraud AND federal judges for quite a few years.

You need to read it again, and figure out what a malevolent partisan looney tune federal judge can do with a "consent decree".

The IBM Corporation was TORTURED for nearly 40 years by a nutcase federal judge who initially ruled on punch card technology issues in 1952, but was tormenting them over advanced computing issues in 1990. We got another live one with this Debevoise guy, who implemented the consent decree in 1982, and thirty freaking years later, he comes back annually to renew the consent decree.

He's 88 years old, BTW - a Democrat gift from Peanut Boy Carter that keeps on giving.

66 posted on 11/17/2012 9:32:44 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Uncle Chip
I say a big BS. I say that the GOP are not bound by a consent decree 31 years ago if there is even such a thing. That is all baloney. Give it up.

Federal Judge Is Ordered To Step Aside On IBM

67 posted on 11/17/2012 9:46:35 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Snow1854
It’s not vote fraud, I hate to be the voice of reason here. The GOP ran the most moderate candidate (practically a democrat), and still lost. The country is now moderate-left, at least in the swing states, and that’s all that matters. Unless you want 8 years of Clinton again starting in 2016 the GOP must moderate. The GOP needs to be far-right on non-social issues, and accepting of the left on social issues.

Romney's turnout in Wisconsin easily eclipsed Scott Walker's turnout for the June 2012 recall election. Voters came out in DROVES to vote for Romney - easily beating the 2008 McCain-Palin turnout.

Suddenly, the Democrat corpse that had rolled over for Scott Walker jumped up and stomped Romney into the turf.

What changed from June to November? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

68 posted on 11/17/2012 9:57:44 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

The consent decree had no expiration date. Why would have have to come back every year to renew it?

And now that it was re-litigated in 2010, it has an expiration date of 2018, and unless the GOP does something to violate it, the decree will be gone.

The decree has never stopped the GOP from doing anything, becuase the RNC has never submitted a plan for approval. SO there’s again been no reason for the judge to do anything, because the RNC didn’t bring anything to him for him to do.

Of course, the consent decree isn’t a “deal” between the RNC and DNC to ignore voter fraud.


69 posted on 11/17/2012 10:01:14 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Think what you will.

I have my answer about why the GOP won't go after vote fraud after lo these many years railing about that fact.

BTW - it's pretty obvious that the Democrats cheated six ways from Sunday in Wisconsin. Scott Walker stomped Barrett in June; 5 months later Romney stomped Scott Walker's vote totals.

Strangely, Obama in turn stomped Romney's vote totals. Romney's totals were around Walker's totals, averaging 5-10% higher. Obama's totals averaged 40-50% higher than Barrett's in every county. GOTF.

70 posted on 11/17/2012 10:14:42 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: noinfringers2

There are things they can do. Problem is - the R congress would NOT do it. They are spineless or they really don’t want to win, just to keep their jobs and perks.

In 2008 they all knew obama/soetoro is constitutionally ineligible and they could have raised objection at the ‘electoral vote count certification’ but they didn’t.

GOP is hopeless. Perhaps we do need a strong third party, but how do we do it?
Not enough people will wake up until it hits rock bottom, then maybe we will vote them all out.


71 posted on 11/18/2012 3:42:25 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: kiryandil

The Republican Party in New Jersey may considered themselves bound by this consent decree but not the Republican Party in the other states across the country. They are all semi-independent entities. If this thing were binding then there would be no effort to pass voter ID laws and restrict voter registration — both of which would violate the decree. The Florida GOP violated it this year by cleaning up the voter registration rolls.


72 posted on 11/18/2012 5:44:52 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I think when you have Daily KKKos and other Lefty websites crowing about it and directing its sinister followers to use the “consent decree” several weeks before the election, there might be some “there”, there:

Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 06:38 AM PDT
RNC Consent Decree Banning Voter Supression That All Dem Poll Watchers Need to Read (UPDATEx2)
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/18/1146336/-RNC-Consent-Decree-Banning-Voter-Supression-That-All-Dem-Poll-Watchers-Need-to-Read-have-a-copy

See, we call it “vote fraud”. Lefty code for it is “vote suppression”.

http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/dnc_v_rnc_consent_decree/


73 posted on 11/18/2012 6:49:10 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: 3Fingas

It is not because of your reasons. It is because the World elite owns both sides. Money and power has brought corruption to both parties. Until we get rid of all of the major players nothing will change.


74 posted on 11/18/2012 6:55:02 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: kiryandil
I think when you have Daily KKKos and other Lefty websites crowing about it and directing its sinister followers to use the “consent decree” several weeks before the election, there might be some “there”

Call their bluff -- CALL THEIR BLUFF.

Have a big open hearing with cameras there where the Democrats are saying that they are free to commit vote fraud because of some consent decree that was issued in NJ some 30 years ago.

Do it. Call their bluff. Put this out in the open court and Democrats will run from it so fast that it will make your head spin.

75 posted on 11/18/2012 7:02:14 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: 3Fingas
This is what is happening

The Republicans will not save us. They are in on the game.

76 posted on 11/18/2012 7:06:24 AM PST by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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To: kiryandil

and btw — you cannot consent to a decree that effectuates the commission of a crime, or not to report said crime and vote fraud is a crime punished at the state level unaffected by the federal courts.

I’m sure we have plenty of GOP out there who would like to use a consent decree such as this as cover for their failures to assure honest elections and prosecute vote fraud, but it won’t work. They are just lazy and want to be liked by those across the aisle and are content to be the minority party of Mensheviks and let the Democrats bully them like the Bolsheviks they are.


77 posted on 11/18/2012 7:12:38 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
and btw — you cannot consent to a decree that effectuates the commission of a crime, or not to report said crime and vote fraud is a crime punished at the state level unaffected by the federal courts.

As I wrote before, the DemCorruptocrats call it "vote suppression". It's pretty much RACISS to axe for the vote credentials of Aunt Millie's black dog, because, well - the dog is black, you Raciss KKKer.

What's fascinating is that the Founding fathers of The Republic were ALL ABOUT vote suppression, and AGAINST universal suffrage.

Now, the system in this country is exactly the opposite: Universal Suffrage GOOD, "Vote Suppression" BAD.

If you can't prove you've got skin in the game, you can't vote, I say.

I think the Republican Party is screwed at the national level, and has been for a number of years. They've just been hiding it from us, to keep the money spigot open.

As I posted to CharlesWayneCT:

BTW - it's pretty obvious that the Democrats cheated six ways from Sunday in Wisconsin. Scott Walker stomped Barrett in June; 5 months later Romney stomped Scott Walker's vote totals.

Strangely, Obama in turn stomped Romney's vote totals. Romney's totals were around Walker's totals, averaging 5-10% higher. Obama's totals averaged 40-50% higher than Barrett's in every county. GOTF.

78 posted on 11/18/2012 8:18:19 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Jet Jaguar

Good post.

Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Virginia all have Republican governor and sec of state.

Where’s the investigations?


79 posted on 11/18/2012 8:24:55 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: Uncle Chip
vote fraud is a crime punished at the state level unaffected by the federal courts.

Given that the federal courts are for the most part crewed by a corrupt partisan oligarchic cast of several thousand black-robed clowns, what makes you think they'd keep their nose out of a situation that would benefit their political party?

Debevoise, the originator of the consent decree, is an 88-year-old Carter fossil. The Third Circuit Appeals Court panel the RNC appealed it to recently was crewed by another Carter fossil (80 years old), a black Obama appointee, and a Reagan fossil (78 years old).

Surprisingly (/sarc), the panel flipped the RNC off, and gave the DNC (Democrat National Corruption) another 8 years to commit vote fraud in the big cities.

80 posted on 11/18/2012 8:29:22 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

What did them in this year is EARLY VOTING. That allows someone to vote on the first day and then figure out how to vote again on the following days.


81 posted on 11/18/2012 8:44:16 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; nascarnation
I'd posted this link, yesterday. Early voting didn't just allow them to vote early and often, but gave the fraudsters time to manipulate the votes, IMO. As I've speculated before...it's why 0 repeatedly gave the *signal* to *early vote*.

Something is definitely fishy in....FL, OH, PA, VA....
And, as nascar asks...where are the freaking investigations?

82 posted on 11/18/2012 9:05:59 AM PST by Jane Long ("Miss me yet?" - Mitt)
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To: Jane Long

If our elected Republicans in a position of authority won’t fight, what possibility do we have as citizens? Not much I’m afraid.


83 posted on 11/18/2012 9:41:50 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's bankruptcy: 2016)
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To: chrisnj; humblegunner

You are committing the worst form of blog pimping. You are only posting a few lines from the article, scarcely even an excerpt.


84 posted on 11/18/2012 9:49:27 AM PST by Lazamataz (Abandon all hope.)
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To: kiryandil

You are comparing a special election with a flawed democratic candidate, an election where even a good number of democrats felt like they shouldn’t be doing a recall election, and after a contentious democrat primary where the liberal-favored candidate lost, to a presidential election with an incumbent president.

In Virginia, in 2009, our Governor won 58-41%. In 2010, republicans won 8 of 11 house seats. In 2011, GOP candidates to 58% of the vote to 40% for democrats.

And in 2012, Obama beat Romney and democrat Kaine beat Allen.

You can’t compare state races to federal races. People simply use different criteria.

Obama won by 200,000 votes. You actually think that the Democrats were able to fake 200,000 votes and not get caught? Seriously?


85 posted on 11/18/2012 6:05:58 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama won by 200,000 votes. You actually think that the Democrats were able to fake 200,000 votes and not get caught? Seriously?

Yes. It's amazing what the national campaign "walking-around money" can buy.

Couple that with the fact that the Democrats can cheat in "minority precincts" with impunity (consent decree), and there you have your 200,000 votes with ease.

86 posted on 11/18/2012 6:15:54 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: chrisnj
Voter ID is a fraud. In addition to spawning lawsuits, it doesn't work.

When either of the parties feels the need to improve election integrity, two steps will be taken:

First, have each voter leave a thumbprint next to his signature.

Second, make a video recording of all poll entrances and exits.

87 posted on 11/18/2012 6:17:34 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
Second, make a video recording of all poll entrances and exits.

That's a felony.

And besides, it violates the consent decree, and would get another 10-15 years tacked on to the "inner city fraudulent vote jammed down your throat" sentence.

88 posted on 11/18/2012 6:23:06 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: chrisnj
But you have one district with 7 registered voters and over 900 votes.
Many areas voting 159% capacity.
Many areas going 100% for one candidate which is truly impossible.

Why isn't this looked into?

89 posted on 11/18/2012 6:27:21 PM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kiryandil

Are you saying that the state cannot take videos of the outside of their polling places?

Show me, please.


90 posted on 11/18/2012 6:32:53 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
http://www.justice.gov/usao/cac/Pressroom/2012/155.html

Federal law protects against such crimes as intimidating or bribing voters, buying and selling votes, altering vote tallies, stuffing ballot boxes, and marking ballots for voters against their wishes or without their input. Federal law also contains special protections for the rights of voters and provides that they can vote free of intimidation or harassment. For example, actions of persons designed to interrupt or intimidate voters at polling places by questioning or challenging them, or by photographing or videotaping them, under the pretext that these are actions to uncover illegal voting may violate federal voting rights law.

91 posted on 11/18/2012 6:39:12 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

So, how do you suggest we could stop 200,000 fake votes in Wisconsin? What thing could we do that would catch this, that we are not doing now.

Specifically, by what manner do you think they got 200,000 votes that aren’t real voters?


92 posted on 11/18/2012 6:50:33 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kiryandil
Here's an article that deals with the DOJ's concern about private parties videotaping voters:

Link

The DOJ expresses the concern in that article that the GOP wanted to use cameras to intimidate voters. I think that the state governments have broader interests in security at public polls than private parties who in fact may want to intimidate voters.

Have you found anything that prevents the use of security cameras by the state outside polling places?

93 posted on 11/18/2012 7:00:10 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: kiryandil

I suspect it’s similar to firearms at polls. While I believe it would be inappropriate for private parties to be lurking about bearing firearms (because that might very well be intimidating), I don’t think that there would be anything inappropriate about having an armed law enforcement officer on the premises. I think the state has broader interests and greater leeway than private parties.


94 posted on 11/18/2012 7:11:39 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Obama won by 200,000 votes. You actually think that the Democrats were able to fake 200,000 votes and not get caught? Seriously?

Gee, I guess I should give you some hard Wisconsin numbers to think about.

Looking at the drop in Obama voters from 2008 to 2012, it was pretty consistent. Obamabots were definitely LESS than enthused. Most of the counties showed a pretty steady drop to between 88%-92% of the 2008 vote.

HOWEVER, in certain counties, the Obama vote count took a bottle of Viagra. These certain counties were centered around Dane (within about an hour's drive), and on the Illinois-Wisconsin border up through Milwaukee on the lakeshore.

I took the counties that had 97% or greater (from 2008) turnout and dialed them back to 94%, and got 67,000 votes right off the bat.

I didn't even look at Sheboygan or Ozaukee, even though there was vote fraud hanky-panky reported in Sheboygan County:

http://www.facebook.com/SheboyganGop.passionate.pachyderms

http://mediatrackers.org/2012/11/06/massive-obama-gotv-effort-underway-in-milwaukee-with-illinois-buses/

http://mediatrackers.org/2012/11/06/federal-job-corps-vans-used-to-bus-voters-in-wisconsin/

95 posted on 11/18/2012 7:46:24 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

So, you are arguing that it isn’t possible that independents and more suburban voters became less enthusiastic for Obama, while the poor minority masses in the big cities still loved him about as much as they did in 2008?

The entire point of the Obama campaign was to give up independents, and instead play a “base election” strategy, where they spent hundreds of millions of dollars targeting messages to that base, and then running get-out-the-vote.

Sure, a lot of us were seeing the independents swing over, and the general lack of enthusiasm, and held out hope. But having a child in an inner city college now, I got to see first-hand what the DNC was up to, and I have no problem believing that they managed to get turnout in their base areas in the cities that matched the 2008 numbers.

Every time my daughter and I walked through the campus, at least one person asked if she was registered. The weekend before the election, they were going door-to-door in her dorm, double-checking everybody and making sure people had rides to the polls.

Your linked articles actually give you the information about the GOTV work. I think some people get hung up on the “Illinois bus” use, as if bringing a bus from another state to use for GOTV is proof that they are busing people in from a neighboring state.

I don’t discount the possibility that someone ran a big-ticket scam with out-of-state voters. But we need actual evidence, or else it’s just conjecture.

It’s almost two weeks now, and every day there are a dozen threads, and they all just repeat the same inferences, and nobody has got any actual facts that are useful.

Why couldn’t ONE enterprising person get into a group of these voters, to see if they actually were bussed back to their own state?

What I’m saying is there’s no way they bussed 200,000 people from Illinois. If you were trying to sell a 20,000 vote fraud, I’d entertain the notion.

BTW, if fraud is so easy, why isn’t anybody in the GOP doing it? Well, the democrats are convinced we were, and they have the same threads we have, except about how GOP people were doing what they are being accused of in our threads.

And they have no evidence either.


96 posted on 11/18/2012 8:54:50 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
BTW, if fraud is so easy, why isn’t anybody in the GOP doing it? Well, the democrats are convinced we were, and they have the same threads we have, except about how GOP people were doing what they are being accused of in our threads.

Because the Democrat media would be ALL OVER IT, like white on rice.

What I’m saying is there’s no way they bussed 200,000 people from Illinois. If you were trying to sell a 20,000 vote fraud, I’d entertain the notion.

There's these things called "computers" that can tell you who you need to "vote". If you have blanket immunity from the other side investigating your fraudulent votes, you can use your little computer lists, and happily vote all fracking day long in your protected precincts with phony bodies.

The Sheboygan County reports were all about this, and Sheboygan is well north of the state line.

One thing I would investigate is if the vote totals in Illinois counties near the border dropped from 2008 to 2012, for a couple of reasons. They may have covered that issue with vote-fixing in the home precincts, but that's a fair amount of work for a state you already have sewed up. The bodies would be gone voting in Wisconsin.

I got to see first-hand what the DNC was up to, and I have no problem believing that they managed to get turnout in their base areas in the cities that matched the 2008 numbers.

The same logic should apply in their home Illinois base areas. I'm wondering if the 200,000 overkill was because they were unsure of the numbers Romney was going to turn out. We can see he bested Walker's numbers handily. Even though you propose that a state election is different than a federal election, THIS state election was different-different in itself. It was a "broken-glass-get-rid-of-the-Evil-Republican" election.

97 posted on 11/18/2012 10:03:55 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

The final RCP Poll average for Wisconsin was Obama by +4.2, with Romney having 46.2% and Obama 50.4%.

The vote total was Romney 46.1% and Obama 52.8. So the 2% undecided broke for Obama.

So the 200,000 extra votes they manufactured, they also were able to manufacture them in the polling data as well.

There were maybe 10 polls in the entire election cycle that had Romney ahead in Wisconsin. If you throw out Rasmussen, nobody showed Romney winning Wisconsin, except for one week in August. And a graph of the polling data showed Obama had momentum the last week.

There is nothing indicating massive voter fraud in these numbers. Your assertion otherwise is based on the results of a special election with different candidates — you simply can’t compare elections in that way and expect to get rational results.

I pointed out how republicans have been sweeping Virginia, EXCEPT in federal statewide elections, where we get creamed in senate and presidential elections.


98 posted on 11/19/2012 10:20:18 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
There is nothing indicating massive voter fraud in these numbers. Your assertion otherwise is based on the results of a special election with different candidates — you simply can’t compare elections in that way and expect to get rational results.

My analysis is quite different. The state campaign to recall Walker simply ran out of money to pay off the fraudulent voters, and the vote shepherds.

Obama's national campaign didn't have that problem. Since the Republicans won't follow the money trail, we must assume they know about it, and refuse to act.

We know the media will never bother to even look into it.

99 posted on 11/19/2012 9:46:57 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: CharlesWayneCT
In Virginia, in 2009, our Governor won 58-41%. In 2010, republicans won 8 of 11 house seats. In 2011, GOP candidates to 58% of the vote to 40% for democrats.

And in 2012, Obama beat Romney and democrat Kaine beat Allen.

You can’t compare state races to federal races. People simply use different criteria.

This isn't a data point. The Walker recall election WAS a data point - June of 2012, 5 months before the Selection.

Looking at this (and your VA thingees) also suggests that the Democrat Party and the media (but I repeat myself...) use the fog and tumult around the nation election to exploit their protected vote factory "sanctuaries" to the max.

As I said, it isn't like the media will uncover this for you. "You'll never eat lunch in this town again", I believe the expression goes. In the "jernalism" community, that goes on a national scale - AND you can forget about ever getting a "book deal" payoff for the rest of your life.

Plus, this is MUCH more important than trivialities like Benghazi or Fast and Murderous. We saw how the media was willing to go to the wall for those blaring klaxons of Obama incompetence.

No, this is for NATIONAL power - who gets to dole out the small chunks of cheese stolen at gunpoint from your paycheck, while hacking a great big fat Wagyu steak out for themselves.

The Republican Party is fighting unarmed, and they have been for years. They can't admit it, because their money stream would dry up. They have to bluff it out until they can get the federal judges off their neck, but I think that's just a pipe dream.

Now I think we know where the expression "if it isn't close, they can't cheat" came from.

This new "changing demographics" mantra is a smokescreen to cover up the fact that even if it ISN'T close, they can cheat - where it matters.

Democrats for the win!

100 posted on 11/20/2012 6:54:18 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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