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Changing The Republican Party
Political Realities ^ | 11/19/12 | LD Jackson

Posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:40 AM PST by LD Jackson

I am sure many of you can and will relate to what I am about to write. After the election, I was in a bad mood. I still wonder why we were not able to get out our vote and carry the day on November 6. I am finding it amusing to watch the professional pundits as they toss around ideas about how and where the Republican Party needs to change. Bill Kristol seems to believe we have to concede the ground on taxes and allow them to be raised on millionaires.

The main theme of change seems to be centered around Hispanics. The going opinion seems to be that the Republicans lost because they need to change their position on immigration. Marco Rubio was in Iowa over the weekend and rumors are already surfacing that he will run for President in 2016. While that may be true and can be supported or opposed in good time, I think it's a little early to be casting that net. If you look around, you'll not have far to go before you see supporters of Sarah Palin declaring she should be the candidate we put forward to defeat the liberals in four years. Again, that can be supported or opposed at a later date, but it is still early for that kind of speculation.Republican Party

To be sure, there are things about the Republican Party that needs to change, assuming the party continues to be relevant in our political system. A lot of the change that needs to happen has to do with how we frame the narrative. We need to explain our positions better and we certainly do not need to run candidates who are going to run off at the mouth and destroy our chances of winning seats we should win. At the same time, we should consider changes of our position on immigration and other issues of importance and concern. But to change the entire focus of our party, changing it to go specifically after the Hispanic vote? Is that a smart thing to do?

For that matter, is it smart for us to go after any particular group, promising them the world, just to get their vote? If we start doing that, whether it be the Hispanics, women, young people, etc., at what point do we start robbing points from one group to give to another? How far do we go to appease one group of voters, without alienating another group? Do we not need all of them in our corner? I just believe it is a little ridiculous for the Republican Party to start tweaking its positions and its core beliefs, if they have any, just to be able to appeal to specific groups of voters.

Why not try a different kind of change? I know it isn't likely to happen, but why not remove John Boehner from his leadership position and elect someone who will actually stand their ground, even when they are trying to find compromise. And yes, I believe we can find a compromise that is workable for everyone, if the liberals are willing. I'm just not sure Boehner is the one to find that compromise. Other changes would include allowing the more conservative members of the Republican Party to hold positions of leadership in Congress. The Tea Party won big in 2010 and they were promptly cut off at the pass by Boehner and company, for one simple reason. The current GOP leadership are more concerned with retaining their power and that requires them to maintain the status quo. Allowing strong conservatives into leadership positions doesn't work for them.

You'll have to forgive me for the rambling of this post. It seems my thoughts are scattered in the wind. If you glean anything from what I have written, let it be this. The Republican Party does need to change, but I am not convinced the changes we see on the horizon are the changes that need to be made. We can start shifting our positions on this or that issue, but at what point does the Republican Party become just a slightly more conservative version of the Democratic Party. At what point will the GOP become completely useless as a political party?

Yes, the Republican Party needs to change, but not so much that it is completely unrecognizable to conservatives.


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KEYWORDS: republicanparty

1 posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:42 AM PST by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson
at what point does the Republican Party become just a slightly more conservative version of the Democratic Party

About twelve years ago by my reckoning.

2 posted on 11/19/2012 4:55:23 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: LD Jackson

Get involved with state party conventions where national committeemen are selected. At that level a few hundred votes make all the difference and new party policy makers can be placed on the national committee.


3 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LD Jackson
It's not about "framing the narrative." It's about getting rid of the northeastern liberal dominance of the GOP-E "leadership," stopping the backstabbing of Conservatives, and learning how to fight for raw political power on the streets. Right now, the Republican Party can't fight its way out of a wet paper bag, and the party hierarchy wants to treat politics like a gentlemanly business or legal exercise. It plays by Marquess of Queensbury Rules while the DemocRats play by Alinsky Rules.

That's why it lost and will keep losing until it finally implodes if it does not get back to its Conservative base.

4 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:49 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Timber Rattler

These are the exact same things people said after 1976. The rockefeller republicans had so swamped the party it did not seem as if we could ever win again....and then Ronald Reagan and his great advisors (e.g. Lyn Nofziger) came along. Proud to be who they were. Not afraid to take on the issues.

But then many on this board condemn Reagan as well....


5 posted on 11/19/2012 5:12:38 AM PST by Nifster
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To: LD Jackson

Bill Kristol is a driveling idiot!

I canceled my subscription to the Weekley Standard in 1999 when the Neocons were kissing Bill Clinton’s posterior as he bombed Serbian Christians for the benefit of Bosnian Muslims!


6 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:19 AM PST by texican01
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To: Timber Rattler

You are on the money. The Republican guiding philosophy today seems to be “Taking you to Socialism a little more slowly than the Democrats.” How do you make a compelling case for someone to vote for you when all you have to offer is “a little less of the same”? The current so-called “leadership” is composed of people who are there to make careers.

They have no cohesive, well thought out philosophy of politics and government that differs from the liberals in any way other than degree, so they are easily put on the defensive when they are challenged. They have to search their memories for the talking points that fit the notion of being a Republican, rather than simply arguing from the strength of their conviction. They are frauds. They don’t believe it, so why should anyone?

Until real, unashamed conservatives who can argue the philosophy and refute socialist garbage show up, we are stuck with the one party rule that the combination of Republicans and Democrats has become. We have to laugh in the face of their stupid questions, call them liars instead of using gentle terms like “misleading”, and call them stupid when they take stupid positions.

For our part as voters, we have to stop “letting the perfect be the enemy of the good”, and understand that we have move the ball in our direction. This means we will “hold our nose” and vote for people we don’t agree with on every issue. But that can get us moving. We then have to continue to hold our candidates feet to the fire and demand results. We also have to understand that, as conservatives, we still have much that we disagree about among ourselves, but the things we agree on are so much broader — we have to stop letting liberals splinter us by turning us into single issue voters.

Single issue voter coalitions can work for liberals, because they ultimately agree on the basic liberal premise: that the United States is evil and must be fundamentally changed. They intimidate people by anointing themselves as “cool”, and claim to be the smartest people on earth. So if you are insecure, don’t have a strong opinion, but want to be accepted as smart and cool, you better be with them. Nothing scares a person who isn’t “cool” more than to be called out on it, or a stupid person to be shown to be stupid.

Liberals practice the methods of cults, welcoming people regardless of any weakness and telling them they are OK, and that their particular weakness is really a strength. It is the classic serpent’s argument. We ask for people to be strong, to accept that you have to do things themselves instead of having it done for you, but the rewards of freedom and liberty are great. We demand strength, liberals welcome weakness. It’s a tough choice for people to make (especially non-Christians, as Christians are already familiar with this sort of choice). We demand people to work, liberals tell people that work and responsibility is slavery, so they will make someone else do it.

It’s going to be a long road. The damage done has been great, and they won’t stop.


7 posted on 11/19/2012 5:27:58 AM PST by motor_racer (Pete, do you ever get tired, of the driving?)
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To: LD Jackson

Everyone thinks a third party is a bad thing for elections. I agree, but I don’t know how we would ever wrestle power away from the RINO Republican Establishment without forming a new party.

It seems like we are stuck in a DO LOOP and can never break away from these progressives RINOs in DC without forming another party. It would be bitter medicine to form a third party for a couple of election cycles, but I don’t know how else we get rid of these spineless idiots like Boehner and Rove?

I don’t want to vote for another Bush in 2016. I held my nose twice in 2008 and 2012 listening to their line of BS to save America - and this next time 2016 I won’t - I REFUSE and I won’t get on board with the Romney-McCain-Bush merry go-round ever again! Conservative or bust!


8 posted on 11/19/2012 5:29:42 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: LD Jackson

After the election, I was in a bad mood.


After the election I was in a bad mood too. Now that news of fraud has come out I got mad.. When West proved it I got pissed.

The GOP allowed their hands to be tied.

There is no saving this defective party.


9 posted on 11/19/2012 5:34:05 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men. To change that you are going to have to sell the message not the party. We need to sell conservative values like family, working hard for a living, keeping the people working, securing our future / retirement, moral values, equality, capitalism (enjoying the fruits of your own labor and having the opportunity to do so, fair taxation, smaller government...etc.

If you do this then you will bring people of all races into the old and flip the liberal Democrats on their backs and how them to be the vile and morally bankrupt group that they really are


10 posted on 11/19/2012 5:45:34 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men. To change that you are going to have to sell the message not the party. We need to sell conservative values like family, working hard for a living, keeping the people working, securing our future / retirement, moral values, equality, capitalism (enjoying the fruits of your own labor and having the opportunity to do so), fair taxation, smaller government, UNITY...etc.

If you do this then you will bring people of all races into the fold and flip the liberal Democrats on their backs and show them to be the vile and morally bankrupt group that they really are


11 posted on 11/19/2012 5:48:00 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

I am no PR person, but it seems to me that a PR campaign could be launched with video of plain old folks who are Republicans, saying, I am the Republican Party, perhaps showing them dropping off kids at school, voting, paying taxes, etc. Certainly the 45% who voted GOP in the presidential election and the 50+% who re-elected GOP Congress members are not ALL rich, by definition.


12 posted on 11/19/2012 5:49:22 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: LD Jackson

Right now I a vote of “no confidence” in the GOP, especially when I learned that some years ago the GOP agreed to never investigate DEM vote fraud in part because they were caught doing it, so I say America needs a new party, if anything just for conservative values.

And this will offend some, no vote rigging or cheating allowed. Enough with it, it is destroying America.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 5:51:28 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: NCLaw441

LOL I’m certainly not rich.


14 posted on 11/19/2012 5:55:14 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: jsanders2001

The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose. Pretty easy. Heck the Democrats after 2004 thought they were doomed. It is all pendelum swings and having a decent candidate. Both parties need to chose wiser in Presidential candidates. I mean Democrats picked Kerry and Gore....who didn’t see that big loss coming. Sure Gore came close to winning but if he was so good, he would have won with a decent amount. Republicans put up the likes of Dole, McCain, and liberal Romney and expect to win......LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Idiots!!!!! It did not take a crystal ball to see Romney was going to lose. People do not trust a flip flopper and he flapped quite a bit.


15 posted on 11/19/2012 6:00:39 AM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: Timber Rattler
“t’s not about “framing the narrative.” It's about getting rid of the northeastern liberal dominance of the GOP-E “leadership,” stopping the backstabbing of Conservatives, and learning how to fight for raw political power on the streets”

I agree entirely with your second sentence above, but I also believe that it is crucial to stop letting the left tell the electorate what we believe. This is very difficult, given that the left controls the MSM, and much of pop culture. It is not, however, impossible. If I were the RNC I'd be looking into getting high-level marketing people involved, and not rely on the usual ‘campaign manager’ types.

16 posted on 11/19/2012 6:01:16 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: LD Jackson

Get active on the ground (all of us), evangelize with primary conservative beliefs (know them well), make it personal (first name communications), stop badmouthing the other side (show a higher calling), stop repeating misinformation (like “you didn’t build that”), use today’s communication forms (text, tweet), and WE choose the candidate.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 6:05:33 AM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: LD Jackson

Democrat policies have not fully taken their course.
This was by design. Most of the legislation passed (Obamacare) does not get fully implemented until Obama’s mid 2nd term.

I suppose that into the middle of next year, voters who once again pulled the lever for the communist will be screaming for the right to take their votes back... but their screams will fall on deaf ears.

They will have to lay in the bed they have made for themselves.


18 posted on 11/19/2012 6:12:25 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: LD Jackson

For some good news, the Republican party is changing, and in the right direction, by the right method. That this change isn’t happening fast enough is a burden we have to bear; likewise, we need to create a mechanism to sustain the change as it happens.

Every Tea Party conservative who is elected is like powerful grit in the gears of the ‘progressive’ machine and the Republican liberals who support it. As more and more of them move into office, their ability to make real change has increased considerably.

If we keep this up, we will eventually win, and begin to dismantle a hundred years of federal excess and intrusion.

However, conservatism does need a “think tank college” to train future Tea Party conservatives both how to run for office, avoiding the terrible pitfalls on that path, and how to accomplish change once elected.

Membership in this “think tank college” would have to be very exclusive, as liberal Republicans and Beltway Bandits would love nothing better than to subvert and co-opt such an institution for their own ends.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 6:15:51 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: jsanders2001

Problem is. The GOPe is no longer about what you speak of. The leadership moves to stop those that support what you suggest.


20 posted on 11/19/2012 6:26:56 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: cableguymn

I heard a woman call into Rush’s show one day stating she was a marketing person who called the RNC to GIVE her help and talents in reaching the FLoridian minority voters (ie: hispanics, cubans, etc). She told Rush that the RNC didn’t want her help! This is the problem with the RNC = they only want their own people running things, and show disdain for anyone outside to come in with fresh ideas and ways to improve our chances of winning! I see guys like John McCain, John Boehner, and all the Washington DC crowd and they repulse me - they don’t know how American conservatives feel and what we want...they’re out of touch and they need to be thrown out of office.


21 posted on 11/19/2012 6:50:18 AM PST by princess leah
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To: broken_arrow1

“It seems like we are stuck in a DO LOOP and can never break away from these progressives RINOs in DC without forming another party. It would be bitter medicine to form a third party for a couple of election cycles, but I don’t know how else we get rid of these spineless idiots like Boehner and Rove?”

Exactly the dilemma. When to do it, when it will be a short term problem for a long term gain. I fully expect that we’ll be having this exact same discussion exactly four years from now.


22 posted on 11/19/2012 6:56:24 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: cableguymn

It doesn’t matter what the GOP does or doesn’t do. The only thing that matters is finding a way to prevent voter fraud.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 7:09:26 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: NotTallTex

Voter ID laws seem to be good at stopping it. I supported Minnesotas law. The cheaters did not and they out numbered is (likely by cheating) this time around.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 7:15:21 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: NotTallTex

Voter ID laws seem to be good at stopping it. I supported Minnesota’s law. The cheaters did not and they out numbered us (likely by cheating) this time around.


25 posted on 11/19/2012 7:15:38 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: napscoordinator

> The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose.

Let me rephrase, the young dimwit idiot liberals have been programmer to believe that the GOP is old rich white men that are not hip and in sync to today’s time. Visit some liberal websites and you will quickly find this their mindset. They have no reverence or respect for traditions or wisdom.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 8:09:44 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: napscoordinator

> The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose.

Let me rephrase, the young dimwit idiot liberals have been programmer to believe that the GOP is old rich white men that are not hip and in sync to today’s time. Visit some liberal websites and you will quickly find this their mindset. They have no reverence or respect for traditions, experience or wisdom.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 8:10:11 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: napscoordinator

> The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose.

Let me rephrase, the young dimwit idiot liberals have been programmed to believe that the GOP is old rich white men that are not hip and in sync to today’s time. Visit some liberal websites and you will quickly find this their mindset. They have no reverence or respect for traditions, experience or wisdom.


28 posted on 11/19/2012 8:10:33 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: LD Jackson

About 12 million Hispanics voted, about 8.5 million for Obama. Romney lost the full popular vote by about 3 million votes. So in order to make up the difference with just Hispanics, Romney would’ve needed to win 54% of the Hispanic vote, something the Republicans have never come close to doing.

The real key is appealing to lower income voters. Those making under $50,000 went overwhelmingly for Obama. Those making over $50,000 went strongly for Romney. The GOP doesn’t believe their policies are worse for those lower income voters, do they? Start explaining better to those voters why they’ll be better off under Republicans.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 8:47:23 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: LD Jackson

Correction, he’d technically need to have converted 1.5 million Hispanic votes from Obama to himself to win, so Romney would have needed 42% of the Hispanic vote to do that.

One analysis says Bush got 39% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/bush-didnt-win-44-of-hispanic-vote-the-smoking-exit-poll


30 posted on 11/19/2012 8:52:03 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: cableguymn

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2961139/posts


31 posted on 11/19/2012 9:23:49 AM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: LD Jackson

From my point of view, I think everyone calling for GOP reform is making a big, incorrect assumption: They believe the GOP is the party of *conservatives*.

True, the GOP is more conservative (arguably) than the Dems, but that does not necessarily mean it is the party of conservatives. I don’t think it ever truly has been a conservative party, only “more conservative than the Dems” to whatever extent.

Bottom line (and I fear this is the case): The GOP is not at all interested in changing to accommodate conservatives; they are interested in conservatives changing to accommodate the GOP. There is a proportion of the voters who can be relied upon to consistently vote themselves goodies from the public treasury and it seems to be growing with each passing election. Nothing changes with the GOP until the proportion of those “gimme-gimme” voters shrinks significantly, because the GOP will always play the odds by trying to appeal to those voters (despite the GOP knowing full well that the dems will always be ready, able & willing to “out-give” any other party).

I am convinced that if you want to run candidates who are solidly conservative, you are going to have to find some way around the GOP and all their big-money supporters *PLUS* find a unifying conservative candidate who can convince & lead the public in spite of the combined forces aligned against that candidate (GOP, DEM & MSM) *PLUS* somehow convince a portion of those “gimme-gimme” voters to vote for your conservative candidate. Seems impossible to me, but at this point, I’ll listen to all ideas.

I sincerely wish you all those calling for conservative reform of the GOP all the best & I’ll do what I can, but my expectations are realistically low. I’m concentrating on preparing for the worst for the remainder of my lifetime and hope to be shocked that I was all wrong.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 11:04:43 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: LD Jackson
at what point does the Republican Party become just a slightly more conservative version of the Democratic Party

That is what the libertarian thing is about, democrat liberals who want an alternative to the democrats on economic issues, are trying to turn the GOP into a better version of the democrat party.

33 posted on 11/19/2012 11:24:05 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Notary Sojac

Getting rid of wimps like Boehner are a great idea.


34 posted on 11/19/2012 2:35:44 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Timber Rattler

I agree totally. The GOP stands back and let’s them cheat but do nothing to stop them. The GOP is too gentlemanly.


35 posted on 11/19/2012 2:37:20 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: broken_arrow1; ansel12; Psalm 144; EternalVigilance; Finny; Norm Lenhart

With all due respect, there were those of us on this site advocating your new-found philosophy before the election. We knew what damage a Romney candidacy would do to the Republican Party.

In response, we were shouted down and called traitors by people who thought like you used to. Perhaps not you personally, but those people weren’t difficult to find here.

Now you want a front seat on the bus. Welcome back to your principles, but the front car is full. Line forms at the rear.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 2:44:49 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: broken_arrow1

http://www.selfgovernment.us/index.html


37 posted on 11/19/2012 3:08:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Government exists to secure those rights.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Beautifully put Colonel.

I would also like to point out that I notice many, MANY of our former adversaries have had the proverbial come to Jesus moment. Some of them have even owned up to it...though most do exactly what I thought they would and pretend the whole sordid cluster never happened to begin with.

That’s OK. Just proves who is worth trusting and who isn’t.

Regardless, moving ‘forward’ if such is even possible considering the demonstrated people who we have to move ‘forward’ with, will REQUIRE strict ‘party’ discipline. If that means a bunch take their ball and go sniveling back to the GOP, so be it. I’d rather lose honorably against an opponent whose dishonest than kiss moderate vacillating to ‘win’.

Because as we just had shoved up our posterior so forcefully (and continue to see daily as the GOP blames ‘us’ for their loss), the ‘moderates’ including the easily swayed ‘conservatives’ cannot do anything but help Democrats get elected.

And I hope this ‘offends’ them greatly. Because it is a demonstrated FACT.


38 posted on 11/19/2012 3:10:17 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: LD Jackson; ansel12; Psalm 144; Finny; Norm Lenhart; Colonel_Flagg; BlackElk; Gelato

The first step in “changing the Republican Party” is to figure out what a republican is.

I’d be happy to spell it out if anyone is still interested in such things at Free REPUBLIC.

The first and most important part is in my tagline.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 3:32:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Considering the rules changes implimented by the GOP in August, and the fact that the GOP is filled top down with liberals who run arch-liberals as their top candidate, I cannot be convinced by logic or reason that any ‘retaking’ (or other synonyms) is possible, much less sensible.

The first thing any thinking person has to do is ask themselves the following...

“Is it more sensible to devote the time and resource that would be required (and both are in VERY short supply) to ‘save’ a thoroughly corrupted and wholly discredited albatross, or devote those scarce resources to a new party without all the baggage”?

It is a no brainer.

The infrastructure of the GOP is every bit the arm of the Dem party that the GOP ‘management’ is. That’s not honestly debatable by anyone who is serious. Considering the GOP and Dems trade aides, fundraisers, bundlers et all like baseball cards.

And further, the likes of the Roves, Bohners and ‘moderate’ types in thegop must be kept out or we will see the takeover of any startup just as happened with the TEA party. Notice all the NAME GOP types that started pulling for all the conservative ideas in the beginning, suddenly started preaching the moderate/Romney gospel when the election drew near.

And hundreds of thousands of TEA types fell for it hook line and sinker because they were ‘conservative’ and could not bear to buck the GOP when it mattered most.

Is my disgust showing? It should.

EV, I will say it again. If all the people mocking you and those who believe as you do voted for you or another actual conservative instead of forming the Liberal Appreciation Society of Free Republic, we could actually accomplish something.


40 posted on 11/19/2012 3:48:22 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

You betcha.

But folks could still stand to remember what an actual “republican” really is.

And there are some few parts of the old broken-down jalopy known as the Republican Party that are worth salvaging.


41 posted on 11/19/2012 4:39:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Yours is better put than mine, Norm. Hope you’re well.


42 posted on 11/19/2012 4:43:26 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: EternalVigilance

Sure. Take the Platform and run/elect people that believe it. Make deviance from the platform an ‘excommunicating’ offense.

The GOP put out a hyperconservative platform and then all the pols ignore it completely.

Yes, take the good things and strip the carcas. Then junk the jusk. Send the ‘steel’ to China with the rest of their agenda.


43 posted on 11/19/2012 4:48:09 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

It really isn’t that conservative any more.

They turned it into a Romney document. It gives with one hand while immediately taking everything important away with the other.

But you’re right, of course. They ignore it anyhow.

Busy work for conservatives at election time. That’s all it is.


44 posted on 11/19/2012 5:28:00 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: motor_racer; Timber Rattler; EternalVigilance; Colonel_Flagg; All
We demand strength ...

When I was a little kid and asked my dad what the difference between a Republican and a Democrat was, he said that basically, Republicans wanted less government.

Social conservatives who look to government to manipulate morality, stop and consider that this nation didn't start becoming blatantly immoral until the government stepped into the morality business -- or, at least, its compassionate version of "moral."

Government causes many problems when it assumes a moral role.

The less government, the more moral that the good, solid, majority of Americans can be because they can work, produce, create, and generally prosper by being moral people in a free world. The ones who are immoral self destruct. It's an ongoing battle that's been happening for well over 2,000 years. We have a pretty good code book of basic laws, the Christian Bible, that provided the foundation for the moral principles of this nation, as in EV's tagline: America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.

So we have governent, trying to be God, securing the rights of open homosexuals to participate in our society, punishing with discrimination laws those who resist. We have government securing the rights of atheists to shut down nativity scenes in city parks.

We have government, via welfare and social programs, comanding the moral dictate of charity. Government's charity has created a dependent class, whereas the charity provided by a prosperous, moral people helps foster self-reliance and self-direction. But government deciding to take a moral role, now bleeds so much of what Americans would normally give to their choice of moral charity, that they can barely continue to support it, because of government.

Pro-government thinking prevents a moral people from living morally. Get government out of the way and let people exercise their morality freely. Give them more of their freedom of enterprise so they can become more prosperous and more generous. That's what Americans do when they're prosperous.

The folks who talk about "branding" and "framing the narrative" are on to something. I think a lot of American Republicans don't know they're the kind of Republicans my dad meant, and what I've also been voting for/with. Why doesn't the Republican party burst the "race" pimple and call it how it is: color and ethnicity are irrelevant when it comes to the rights bestowed by God.

Most Americans, certainly most Americans who are truly legitimate voters, the ones who would actually take the trouble and the time to bone-up on the issues, go somewhere specifically to register (no Moter Voter or table-side registrations drives), and then take the trouble, one measely day of the year, to prioritize getting to the polls, would love to have a guy they could vote for on the assurance that he was going to keep government out of our hair and fight the liberal hacks who try to advance government.

You have to know that in that sense, and even beyond it, to the pretty much apolitical Joe Blow American, most folks are sick of government and sick of the liberal media bias, and would vote for Republicans if they knew that's what they were voting for. They're not dumb -- they don't buy the liberal crap. It looks like a lot of "voters" who do are spun out of sugar and elbow grease.

We outnumber the left in every way except for the Talking Heads.

"What it means to be a Republican" should be something every American can grasp and understand in one phrase, and for every politician who vies to be a Republican to pursue: making government smaller so people can live bigger.

45 posted on 11/19/2012 8:25:30 PM PST by Finny (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. -- Psalm 119:105)
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To: Finny
Republican governance is not in the first place about size. It is about the character of government and its legitimate purposes. In other words, government should be exactly as big as its legitimate purposes require, and no bigger.

Here's my definition of what real republicanism is all about:

A REAL REPUBLICAN is an American who adheres politically, in word and deed, to the original natural law moral principles of our republic, to the sworn duty to support the stated purposes and explicit provisions of the U.S. Constitution, and is firmly committed to the preservation of representative self-government.

I'm working on a new site right now that expands on that statement and spells it out in more detail. Not quite ready to publish it yet, though.

46 posted on 11/19/2012 9:30:47 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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