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Changing The Republican Party
Political Realities ^ | 11/19/12 | LD Jackson

Posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:40 AM PST by LD Jackson

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To: cableguymn

I heard a woman call into Rush’s show one day stating she was a marketing person who called the RNC to GIVE her help and talents in reaching the FLoridian minority voters (ie: hispanics, cubans, etc). She told Rush that the RNC didn’t want her help! This is the problem with the RNC = they only want their own people running things, and show disdain for anyone outside to come in with fresh ideas and ways to improve our chances of winning! I see guys like John McCain, John Boehner, and all the Washington DC crowd and they repulse me - they don’t know how American conservatives feel and what we want...they’re out of touch and they need to be thrown out of office.


21 posted on 11/19/2012 6:50:18 AM PST by princess leah
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To: broken_arrow1

“It seems like we are stuck in a DO LOOP and can never break away from these progressives RINOs in DC without forming another party. It would be bitter medicine to form a third party for a couple of election cycles, but I don’t know how else we get rid of these spineless idiots like Boehner and Rove?”

Exactly the dilemma. When to do it, when it will be a short term problem for a long term gain. I fully expect that we’ll be having this exact same discussion exactly four years from now.


22 posted on 11/19/2012 6:56:24 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans. Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: cableguymn

It doesn’t matter what the GOP does or doesn’t do. The only thing that matters is finding a way to prevent voter fraud.


23 posted on 11/19/2012 7:09:26 AM PST by NotTallTex
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To: NotTallTex

Voter ID laws seem to be good at stopping it. I supported Minnesotas law. The cheaters did not and they out numbered is (likely by cheating) this time around.


24 posted on 11/19/2012 7:15:21 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: NotTallTex

Voter ID laws seem to be good at stopping it. I supported Minnesota’s law. The cheaters did not and they out numbered us (likely by cheating) this time around.


25 posted on 11/19/2012 7:15:38 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: napscoordinator

> The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose.

Let me rephrase, the young dimwit idiot liberals have been programmer to believe that the GOP is old rich white men that are not hip and in sync to today’s time. Visit some liberal websites and you will quickly find this their mindset. They have no reverence or respect for traditions or wisdom.


26 posted on 11/19/2012 8:09:44 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: napscoordinator

> The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose.

Let me rephrase, the young dimwit idiot liberals have been programmer to believe that the GOP is old rich white men that are not hip and in sync to today’s time. Visit some liberal websites and you will quickly find this their mindset. They have no reverence or respect for traditions, experience or wisdom.


27 posted on 11/19/2012 8:10:11 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: napscoordinator

> The GOP is seen by the public as old rich white men.

I disagree. We won in 2010 by being conservative. In 2012, the idiots of the party put up the most liberal Republican possible. He stunk from day one and I knew he would lose. If we stick to the principles, we win. If we sell out, we lose.

Let me rephrase, the young dimwit idiot liberals have been programmed to believe that the GOP is old rich white men that are not hip and in sync to today’s time. Visit some liberal websites and you will quickly find this their mindset. They have no reverence or respect for traditions, experience or wisdom.


28 posted on 11/19/2012 8:10:33 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: LD Jackson

About 12 million Hispanics voted, about 8.5 million for Obama. Romney lost the full popular vote by about 3 million votes. So in order to make up the difference with just Hispanics, Romney would’ve needed to win 54% of the Hispanic vote, something the Republicans have never come close to doing.

The real key is appealing to lower income voters. Those making under $50,000 went overwhelmingly for Obama. Those making over $50,000 went strongly for Romney. The GOP doesn’t believe their policies are worse for those lower income voters, do they? Start explaining better to those voters why they’ll be better off under Republicans.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 8:47:23 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: LD Jackson

Correction, he’d technically need to have converted 1.5 million Hispanic votes from Obama to himself to win, so Romney would have needed 42% of the Hispanic vote to do that.

One analysis says Bush got 39% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/bush-didnt-win-44-of-hispanic-vote-the-smoking-exit-poll


30 posted on 11/19/2012 8:52:03 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: cableguymn

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2961139/posts


31 posted on 11/19/2012 9:23:49 AM PST by patriot08 (Native Texan)
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To: LD Jackson

From my point of view, I think everyone calling for GOP reform is making a big, incorrect assumption: They believe the GOP is the party of *conservatives*.

True, the GOP is more conservative (arguably) than the Dems, but that does not necessarily mean it is the party of conservatives. I don’t think it ever truly has been a conservative party, only “more conservative than the Dems” to whatever extent.

Bottom line (and I fear this is the case): The GOP is not at all interested in changing to accommodate conservatives; they are interested in conservatives changing to accommodate the GOP. There is a proportion of the voters who can be relied upon to consistently vote themselves goodies from the public treasury and it seems to be growing with each passing election. Nothing changes with the GOP until the proportion of those “gimme-gimme” voters shrinks significantly, because the GOP will always play the odds by trying to appeal to those voters (despite the GOP knowing full well that the dems will always be ready, able & willing to “out-give” any other party).

I am convinced that if you want to run candidates who are solidly conservative, you are going to have to find some way around the GOP and all their big-money supporters *PLUS* find a unifying conservative candidate who can convince & lead the public in spite of the combined forces aligned against that candidate (GOP, DEM & MSM) *PLUS* somehow convince a portion of those “gimme-gimme” voters to vote for your conservative candidate. Seems impossible to me, but at this point, I’ll listen to all ideas.

I sincerely wish you all those calling for conservative reform of the GOP all the best & I’ll do what I can, but my expectations are realistically low. I’m concentrating on preparing for the worst for the remainder of my lifetime and hope to be shocked that I was all wrong.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 11:04:43 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: LD Jackson
at what point does the Republican Party become just a slightly more conservative version of the Democratic Party

That is what the libertarian thing is about, democrat liberals who want an alternative to the democrats on economic issues, are trying to turn the GOP into a better version of the democrat party.

33 posted on 11/19/2012 11:24:05 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Notary Sojac

Getting rid of wimps like Boehner are a great idea.


34 posted on 11/19/2012 2:35:44 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Timber Rattler

I agree totally. The GOP stands back and let’s them cheat but do nothing to stop them. The GOP is too gentlemanly.


35 posted on 11/19/2012 2:37:20 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: broken_arrow1; ansel12; Psalm 144; EternalVigilance; Finny; Norm Lenhart

With all due respect, there were those of us on this site advocating your new-found philosophy before the election. We knew what damage a Romney candidacy would do to the Republican Party.

In response, we were shouted down and called traitors by people who thought like you used to. Perhaps not you personally, but those people weren’t difficult to find here.

Now you want a front seat on the bus. Welcome back to your principles, but the front car is full. Line forms at the rear.


36 posted on 11/19/2012 2:44:49 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: broken_arrow1

http://www.selfgovernment.us/index.html


37 posted on 11/19/2012 3:08:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Government exists to secure those rights.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Beautifully put Colonel.

I would also like to point out that I notice many, MANY of our former adversaries have had the proverbial come to Jesus moment. Some of them have even owned up to it...though most do exactly what I thought they would and pretend the whole sordid cluster never happened to begin with.

That’s OK. Just proves who is worth trusting and who isn’t.

Regardless, moving ‘forward’ if such is even possible considering the demonstrated people who we have to move ‘forward’ with, will REQUIRE strict ‘party’ discipline. If that means a bunch take their ball and go sniveling back to the GOP, so be it. I’d rather lose honorably against an opponent whose dishonest than kiss moderate vacillating to ‘win’.

Because as we just had shoved up our posterior so forcefully (and continue to see daily as the GOP blames ‘us’ for their loss), the ‘moderates’ including the easily swayed ‘conservatives’ cannot do anything but help Democrats get elected.

And I hope this ‘offends’ them greatly. Because it is a demonstrated FACT.


38 posted on 11/19/2012 3:10:17 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: LD Jackson; ansel12; Psalm 144; Finny; Norm Lenhart; Colonel_Flagg; BlackElk; Gelato

The first step in “changing the Republican Party” is to figure out what a republican is.

I’d be happy to spell it out if anyone is still interested in such things at Free REPUBLIC.

The first and most important part is in my tagline.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 3:32:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Considering the rules changes implimented by the GOP in August, and the fact that the GOP is filled top down with liberals who run arch-liberals as their top candidate, I cannot be convinced by logic or reason that any ‘retaking’ (or other synonyms) is possible, much less sensible.

The first thing any thinking person has to do is ask themselves the following...

“Is it more sensible to devote the time and resource that would be required (and both are in VERY short supply) to ‘save’ a thoroughly corrupted and wholly discredited albatross, or devote those scarce resources to a new party without all the baggage”?

It is a no brainer.

The infrastructure of the GOP is every bit the arm of the Dem party that the GOP ‘management’ is. That’s not honestly debatable by anyone who is serious. Considering the GOP and Dems trade aides, fundraisers, bundlers et all like baseball cards.

And further, the likes of the Roves, Bohners and ‘moderate’ types in thegop must be kept out or we will see the takeover of any startup just as happened with the TEA party. Notice all the NAME GOP types that started pulling for all the conservative ideas in the beginning, suddenly started preaching the moderate/Romney gospel when the election drew near.

And hundreds of thousands of TEA types fell for it hook line and sinker because they were ‘conservative’ and could not bear to buck the GOP when it mattered most.

Is my disgust showing? It should.

EV, I will say it again. If all the people mocking you and those who believe as you do voted for you or another actual conservative instead of forming the Liberal Appreciation Society of Free Republic, we could actually accomplish something.


40 posted on 11/19/2012 3:48:22 PM PST by Norm Lenhart
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