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1 posted on 11/19/2012 4:49:42 AM PST by LD Jackson
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To: LD Jackson
at what point does the Republican Party become just a slightly more conservative version of the Democratic Party

About twelve years ago by my reckoning.

2 posted on 11/19/2012 4:55:23 AM PST by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: LD Jackson

Get involved with state party conventions where national committeemen are selected. At that level a few hundred votes make all the difference and new party policy makers can be placed on the national committee.


3 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:34 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: LD Jackson
It's not about "framing the narrative." It's about getting rid of the northeastern liberal dominance of the GOP-E "leadership," stopping the backstabbing of Conservatives, and learning how to fight for raw political power on the streets. Right now, the Republican Party can't fight its way out of a wet paper bag, and the party hierarchy wants to treat politics like a gentlemanly business or legal exercise. It plays by Marquess of Queensbury Rules while the DemocRats play by Alinsky Rules.

That's why it lost and will keep losing until it finally implodes if it does not get back to its Conservative base.

4 posted on 11/19/2012 4:57:49 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: LD Jackson

Bill Kristol is a driveling idiot!

I canceled my subscription to the Weekley Standard in 1999 when the Neocons were kissing Bill Clinton’s posterior as he bombed Serbian Christians for the benefit of Bosnian Muslims!


6 posted on 11/19/2012 5:13:19 AM PST by texican01
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To: LD Jackson

Everyone thinks a third party is a bad thing for elections. I agree, but I don’t know how we would ever wrestle power away from the RINO Republican Establishment without forming a new party.

It seems like we are stuck in a DO LOOP and can never break away from these progressives RINOs in DC without forming another party. It would be bitter medicine to form a third party for a couple of election cycles, but I don’t know how else we get rid of these spineless idiots like Boehner and Rove?

I don’t want to vote for another Bush in 2016. I held my nose twice in 2008 and 2012 listening to their line of BS to save America - and this next time 2016 I won’t - I REFUSE and I won’t get on board with the Romney-McCain-Bush merry go-round ever again! Conservative or bust!


8 posted on 11/19/2012 5:29:42 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: LD Jackson

After the election, I was in a bad mood.


After the election I was in a bad mood too. Now that news of fraud has come out I got mad.. When West proved it I got pissed.

The GOP allowed their hands to be tied.

There is no saving this defective party.


9 posted on 11/19/2012 5:34:05 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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Right now I a vote of “no confidence” in the GOP, especially when I learned that some years ago the GOP agreed to never investigate DEM vote fraud in part because they were caught doing it, so I say America needs a new party, if anything just for conservative values.

And this will offend some, no vote rigging or cheating allowed. Enough with it, it is destroying America.


13 posted on 11/19/2012 5:51:28 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: LD Jackson

Get active on the ground (all of us), evangelize with primary conservative beliefs (know them well), make it personal (first name communications), stop badmouthing the other side (show a higher calling), stop repeating misinformation (like “you didn’t build that”), use today’s communication forms (text, tweet), and WE choose the candidate.


17 posted on 11/19/2012 6:05:33 AM PST by polymuser ("We have a right to debate and disagree with any administration!" (HRC))
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To: LD Jackson

Democrat policies have not fully taken their course.
This was by design. Most of the legislation passed (Obamacare) does not get fully implemented until Obama’s mid 2nd term.

I suppose that into the middle of next year, voters who once again pulled the lever for the communist will be screaming for the right to take their votes back... but their screams will fall on deaf ears.

They will have to lay in the bed they have made for themselves.


18 posted on 11/19/2012 6:12:25 AM PST by Safrguns
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To: LD Jackson

For some good news, the Republican party is changing, and in the right direction, by the right method. That this change isn’t happening fast enough is a burden we have to bear; likewise, we need to create a mechanism to sustain the change as it happens.

Every Tea Party conservative who is elected is like powerful grit in the gears of the ‘progressive’ machine and the Republican liberals who support it. As more and more of them move into office, their ability to make real change has increased considerably.

If we keep this up, we will eventually win, and begin to dismantle a hundred years of federal excess and intrusion.

However, conservatism does need a “think tank college” to train future Tea Party conservatives both how to run for office, avoiding the terrible pitfalls on that path, and how to accomplish change once elected.

Membership in this “think tank college” would have to be very exclusive, as liberal Republicans and Beltway Bandits would love nothing better than to subvert and co-opt such an institution for their own ends.


19 posted on 11/19/2012 6:15:51 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: LD Jackson

About 12 million Hispanics voted, about 8.5 million for Obama. Romney lost the full popular vote by about 3 million votes. So in order to make up the difference with just Hispanics, Romney would’ve needed to win 54% of the Hispanic vote, something the Republicans have never come close to doing.

The real key is appealing to lower income voters. Those making under $50,000 went overwhelmingly for Obama. Those making over $50,000 went strongly for Romney. The GOP doesn’t believe their policies are worse for those lower income voters, do they? Start explaining better to those voters why they’ll be better off under Republicans.


29 posted on 11/19/2012 8:47:23 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: LD Jackson

Correction, he’d technically need to have converted 1.5 million Hispanic votes from Obama to himself to win, so Romney would have needed 42% of the Hispanic vote to do that.

One analysis says Bush got 39% of the Hispanic vote in 2004.

http://www.vdare.com/articles/bush-didnt-win-44-of-hispanic-vote-the-smoking-exit-poll


30 posted on 11/19/2012 8:52:03 AM PST by JediJones (Newt Gingrich warned us that the "King of Bain" was unelectable. Did you listen?)
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To: LD Jackson

From my point of view, I think everyone calling for GOP reform is making a big, incorrect assumption: They believe the GOP is the party of *conservatives*.

True, the GOP is more conservative (arguably) than the Dems, but that does not necessarily mean it is the party of conservatives. I don’t think it ever truly has been a conservative party, only “more conservative than the Dems” to whatever extent.

Bottom line (and I fear this is the case): The GOP is not at all interested in changing to accommodate conservatives; they are interested in conservatives changing to accommodate the GOP. There is a proportion of the voters who can be relied upon to consistently vote themselves goodies from the public treasury and it seems to be growing with each passing election. Nothing changes with the GOP until the proportion of those “gimme-gimme” voters shrinks significantly, because the GOP will always play the odds by trying to appeal to those voters (despite the GOP knowing full well that the dems will always be ready, able & willing to “out-give” any other party).

I am convinced that if you want to run candidates who are solidly conservative, you are going to have to find some way around the GOP and all their big-money supporters *PLUS* find a unifying conservative candidate who can convince & lead the public in spite of the combined forces aligned against that candidate (GOP, DEM & MSM) *PLUS* somehow convince a portion of those “gimme-gimme” voters to vote for your conservative candidate. Seems impossible to me, but at this point, I’ll listen to all ideas.

I sincerely wish you all those calling for conservative reform of the GOP all the best & I’ll do what I can, but my expectations are realistically low. I’m concentrating on preparing for the worst for the remainder of my lifetime and hope to be shocked that I was all wrong.


32 posted on 11/19/2012 11:04:43 AM PST by jaydee770
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To: LD Jackson
at what point does the Republican Party become just a slightly more conservative version of the Democratic Party

That is what the libertarian thing is about, democrat liberals who want an alternative to the democrats on economic issues, are trying to turn the GOP into a better version of the democrat party.

33 posted on 11/19/2012 11:24:05 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: LD Jackson; ansel12; Psalm 144; Finny; Norm Lenhart; Colonel_Flagg; BlackElk; Gelato

The first step in “changing the Republican Party” is to figure out what a republican is.

I’d be happy to spell it out if anyone is still interested in such things at Free REPUBLIC.

The first and most important part is in my tagline.


39 posted on 11/19/2012 3:32:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance (America's creed: Our rights come from God, not men. Governments exist to secure those rights.)
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