Posted on 11/21/2012 10:10:03 AM PST by Strategerist
Well, they aren’t paying attention, but we are. Is the elephant’s memory suffering from senility?
At any rat, efforts to gin up less-liberal (I won’t necessarily say conservative) voter interest need to be planned now. And the appeals that need to be made are obvious.
Barack had a narrower margin this time around, helped in part by the disillusioned Obama voter and part by Mitt who actually begged to differ from Barack. Obama would have lost (and Mitt carried) a hypothetical plebiscite of all Americans eligible to vote. The Democrats pumped their demographic segment better than the Republicans did when it came to the polls... rallies at which almost nobody showed were misleading and might have even been feints. Yes, there was undoubtedly cheating and goonish coercion involved. But those should not have been unsuperable barriers.
Barack had a narrower margin this time around, helped in part by the disillusioned Obama voter and part by Mitt who actually begged to differ from Barack. Obama would have lost (and Mitt carried) a hypothetical plebiscite of all Americans eligible to vote. The Democrats pumped their demographic segment better than the Republicans did when it came to the polls... rallies at which almost nobody showed were misleading and might have even been feints. Yes, there was undoubtedly cheating and goonish coercion involved. But those should not have been INsuperable barriers.
I agree.
I know Obama voters that chose to sit it out which they did by the millions, and I know conservatives who could not vote for Romney.
Romney just doesn’t do well in politics, his 20 year career is one of failure and his legacy will be Romneycare/Obamacare which earned him a place in the history books, and “gay marriage” which he will forever be identified with.
so let’s break your argument down.
let’s see. according to your totals:
you say turnout was up. but the total vote by simple math is still down about 5,000,000 votes on obama’s side. where did those go. sorry doesn’t wash.
you are trying to imply romney was a better or as good a candidate as mccain. so given the stated/basic romney *strategy* of drawing liberal/moderate votes and discounting the missing increase in total number registered voters in the last 4 years, obama down about 5,000,000 from his original total.
so basically romney and mccain are about even, now, you say. thus, simple logic indicates, romney has lost from the mccain total what he gained from the obama. assuming some small percentage of switchers from obama to romney (since, of course, he was such a strong candidate with such a good *strategy*).
no. still don’t buy it. if your argument was supported by an additional 2% over mccains totals, i’d be more inclined to give romney credit. you’d have to break down the vote much further (again even assuming your numbers 2 weeks after the end of the campaign) to pursuade me.
no, as of right now. your numbers change nothing for me. he lost the election. in the midst of an economic depression. his strategy didn’t hold mccain voters and certainly didn’t attract reagan conservatives. his strategy was a loser. he is a loser. mccain was a weak candidate. and romney was still weaker from a conservative stand point. your data just confirms this about romney.
The GOP gained a bit and the Democrats lost a bit. However that did not quite tip the balance. What is contradictory here? Be sure you aren’t mixing two different systems of accounting.
what is still important in all this, in every type of 2008-2012 & Romney-McCain comparison is not the total national popular vote, but the state-by-state popular votes that gave Obama the Electoral college votes
that is the ONLY place - not the additional popular vote, where either judging Romney’s performance or learning anything else that is useful can come from
it is the only popular vote comparisons I have ANY interest in
I made a typo in earlier duplicate post
what is still important in all this, in every type of 2008-2012 & Romney-McCain comparison is not the total national popular vote, but the state-by-state popular votes that gave Obama the Electoral college votes
that is the ONLY place - not the national popular vote, where either judging Romney’s performance or learning anything else that is useful can come from
it is the only popular vote comparisons I have ANY interest in
So yes, some switched to Romney, but the bulk of them left Obama and stayed home.
He’s been running for office since 1994, spending gobs on each campaign, and he won exactly once.
His minions were part of the piling on of Sarah Palin in 2008 in order to clear the path for him in 2012—and I will never forgive him for that.
The popular vote on the national level is intrinsically linked to the state level results.
You can’t correctly make any conclusion from that data as to whether the bulk of the white vote that Obama lost from 2008 to 2012 voted for Romney or not at all.
Romney is one for the history books.
I look forward to reading the book about how this anti-republican, who was only supporting, fund raising for, and voting democrat from 1989 to 1993, and who gave us Obamacare, and gay marriage, managed to take over the GOP establishment and become it’s nominee against Carter’s second term.
Post. Of. The. Day.
Explain how the bulk of those 6.9M who left Obama could have voted for Romney, given that the white totals for McCain and Romney were about the same.
Time to “bring it all down man”, only this time WE use their OWN tools against them.
We need to go beyond Galt and start becomming “super consumer leeches” while preparing siultaniously for the inevitable accelerated collapse.
Sign up for damn near EVERY government foodstamp and program and help our family and friends do the same damn thing. Let us make Obama OWN the food stamp title.
Use the extra food stamps to stock up on “prepping food” or buyfood for CONSERVATIVE CHARITIES ONLY!!!!
It took lazy ass unmotivated leeches oer 40 to take the system to the edge, let’s see what a bunch of hard working pissed off americans can do it 4 short years!
Big whoop. Who really gives a rat's tookus? Both MODERATES still lost to a radical, Muslim, communist!!!
I don't think that this is a statistic that either loser will be putting on their resume.
FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD, FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THEY STOLE THE DAMMN THING USING VOTING MACHINE FRAUD AND GOOD OLD FFASHIONED VOTE “often” STRATEGIES, AS WELL AS ILLEGAL ALIEN VOTING.....
It's important to know who we should and should not listen to.
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