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A New Direction for Conservatives (pt 2) The Agenda
My View of The World ^ | Nvember 22, 2012 | James P. Willis

Posted on 11/23/2012 7:53:10 AM PST by possum john

In A New Direction for Conservatives (pt 1) I outlined the reasons why I believe it is time for Conservatives to abandon the Republican Party and establish a new political organization dedicated to advancing conservative policies. In that post I also described the principles I believe should guide this new political party, which I have named the Foundations Party.

In Part 2 I will stop short of describing a full party platform for the sake of brevity, but I will describe what I see as “Top 10” Agenda for the Foundations Party. Once again, I invite comments and discussion on the ideas I am presenting.

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This is the second part to yesterday's post. Again, this is a discussion we need to have.
1 posted on 11/23/2012 7:53:14 AM PST by possum john
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To: possum john

That’s all very nice, but short of peeling off part of the country that’s largely on board, how do you intend to get any traction in a two-party system?


2 posted on 11/23/2012 7:57:59 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: possum john

Okay. Where is it? Can’t discuss what ain’t here.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 7:59:06 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: possum john

Works for me.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 8:00:57 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: Dr. Sivana

“how do you intend to get any traction in a two-party system?”
The destruction of the current Republican party would probably be a necessity. That would leave two- the Demcoms and the new conservative organization.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 8:03:36 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: possum john
Great, just great, where are we going to get enough committed voters to win an election? We alreay have around 40 "third parties", won't one of those work?

Also, you must not understand human nature. Just as soon as you get your pure party, there will be some wanting to change something and there will be other "principled" party members who refuse to go along with the rest of them. This will not work and it can't work because you have no choice but to use the exact same flawed human beings that now make up the Republican party.

This isn't heaven and it is unrealistic to expect perfection here on planet earth. We hang together to get the best government we can get.

6 posted on 11/23/2012 8:03:43 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: possum john

How do you prevent the hijacking of the Foundation Party by RINOs or liberals, for that matter? ( RINOs, which now includes all of the GOP-e and the powers-that-be in the Republican Party. )


7 posted on 11/23/2012 8:07:17 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Learn three chords and you, too, can be a Rock Star!)
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To: possum john

How about this platform:

1. Strip women of their right to some reproductive health services
2. Give lower tax rates to wealthy, high income people (millionaires and billionaires)
3. Take federal dollars away from educating our nation’s children
4. Eliminate food stamps and other poverty programs used by our nation’s economically disadvantaged
5. Stop government investments in green energy programs that are designed to save the planet

Note that we may need a marketing guru to work on some of the wording.


8 posted on 11/23/2012 8:12:04 AM PST by impimp
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

The Republican Party is fast becoming the Republicrat Party; and that’s just not acceptable, not to a “purist” nor any other reasonable person. - Just have a one party system - DEMOCRAT PARTY - and have done with it.

These Republican Party “sophisticated elites” have kicked Allen West, Governor Palin, Rush Limbaugh, and the Tea Party to the curb; once again taking the Democrats’ “advice” and once again, abandoning common sense.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 8:14:28 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: possum john
Why bother?

I'd rather we save time, energy, and resources and go straight to the pith.

I'd like to see one of two things happen:

1) An American state assert its 10th Amendments rights and DEFY all the tyrannical federal fiats.

OR..........

2) Secession.

Yes, I just went there.

10 posted on 11/23/2012 8:15:06 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Twinkie

So? That ignores the question of how can anyone create a pure new party large enough to win an election?


11 posted on 11/23/2012 8:17:21 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: possum john

I am all in favor of a 3rd party.... but it can’t just be built on the Anti-Abortion (different from Pro-Life), anti-Gay, pro-business, anti-union, small govt, etc. platform. The audience for that is too small. That’s the reality. I am guessing that maybe 20% to 25% of this country only identify with any combination of these opinions and almost none are voting with the democrats.

So how do you build a 3rd party that appeals to enough people to weaken the base of both the Republicans and Democrats base. Otherwise, these efforts will surely doom us to nothing but democrats.

Sadly, I think what we’ve all been hearing is our America has changed.... straight, God-loving, hardworking, pro-life, small govt, folks are now clearing in the minority. My fear is that only secession from the union might be the only way.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 8:19:41 AM PST by Heff (Too many voted for skin color, hand outs and against Mormonism.)
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To: impimp
You're good.

That's EXACTLY how the state media will frame this debate.

Hard to say which is more evil: The front-guard Communists bent on destroying America, or the rear-guard media propagandists who encourage and champion these attacks.

13 posted on 11/23/2012 8:21:15 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: possum john

Interesting discussion

Definitely conservatives will need to think about whether to continue with a GOP that is determined to lose elections by abandoning its base for groups that will never vote GOP.

A strong conservative party would immediately become the 2d party in America.

Unfortunately, we still have too many closet Liberal RINOs who are Stockholm-Syndrome tied to the GOP...even though the GOP Un-Leadership does not want anyone who is not Amnesty Liberal, Globalist, Socialist, Pro-Abortion...and the ultimate oxymoron “Fiscal Conservative”


14 posted on 11/23/2012 8:22:48 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
We hang together to get the best government we can get.

The opposite also being true is lost on many here.

15 posted on 11/23/2012 8:25:21 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
That ignores the question of how can anyone create a pure new party large enough to win an election?

First, you must accept that the GOP is done for and deserves a decent burial.

Second, you must accept that a new broad conservative party WILL NOT WIN AN ELECTION - until the crisis, not yet upon us, breaks with full force.

In my eyes, the new party must be the vehicle for real, sustained change - by that, I mean many things that the People are not yet ready to accept.

If your premise is that a new party must win elections immediately, by sustaining the rotten old system and conceding large points to the communists in order to win the favor of the idiots who make up the current electorate, why bother?

The Democrats have won the battle of ideas in the hearts of the People. They now will rule until the end of their system - which will not be brought about by elections, but by the crisis which their policies will bring to fruition.

In the depths of dispair, to whom do you imagine the People will turn? Karl Rove? Jeb Bush? Haley Barbour? John Sununu?

We must conserve the seed corn and be ready for the turn of the wheel - and the wheel is alredy in motion.

The GOP is just sand in the gears at this point - the sooner it dies, the sooner we can begin.

16 posted on 11/23/2012 8:38:02 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: possum john
Your platform is a pretty sound one. The real problem is to get people to focus on how best to explain the real issues, to a public bemused & confused by a mass media, that dishes out "circuses" to bemuse, and gross distortions of reality in order to confuse.

We need a period of extensive soul searching on how each of us can be better at countering the gross misconceptions that have been employed to mislead even many intelligent voters, over the past two decades. Since truth--reality--is on our side, it can be done. But it is going to take a major coordinated effort to overcome the tremendous ideological fire power of the mass media, and the Leftists in academia, who have indoctrinated them.

William Flax

17 posted on 11/23/2012 8:39:35 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: possum john

Stand by to listen to grouchy Freepers bad mouth your very good ideas.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 8:44:49 AM PST by grumpa
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To: impimp

Exactly. That is just how the media will describe any new conservative party.

I am very discourqaged. The Democrats/communists are constantly organizing everywhere, at a grassroots level, with taxpayer money. They work hard at gaining lower-level government jobs in cities, counties and states. They hustle for school board jobs, city transportation jobs, anything that pays them with public money.

All the public service unions pour money into their pockets with which to buy votes.

Conservatives simply aren’t that active, that obsessed with power over other people. We just aren’t that greedy. I amthinking that with the media on their side, they will take over.

We have a new ruling class. America isn’t used to that idea, but it’s turning into a ruling class with their boot on the peasants’ necks, and if you weant a good life, you’ll grovel to your new masters.

The incessant sex-scandal news is also a way of keeping women frightrened and obedient. “Do as you’re told or we’ll slaughter you the way we did Sarah Palin.”

Lesson learned.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 8:49:14 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: impimp

Exactly. That is just how the media will describe any new conservative party.

I am very discourqaged. The Democrats/communists are constantly organizing everywhere, at a grassroots level, with taxpayer money. They work hard at gaining lower-level government jobs in cities, counties and states. They hustle for school board jobs, city transportation jobs, anything that pays them with public money.

All the public service unions pour money into their pockets with which to buy votes.

Conservatives simply aren’t that active, that obsessed with power over other people. We just aren’t that greedy. I amthinking that with the media on their side, they will take over.

We have a new ruling class. America isn’t used to that idea, but it’s turning into a ruling class with their boot on the peasants’ necks, and if you want a good life, you’ll grovel to your new masters.

The incessant sex-scandal news is also a way of keeping women frightened and obedient. “Do as you’re told or we’ll slaughter you the way we did Sarah Palin.”

Lesson learned.


20 posted on 11/23/2012 8:49:32 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: squarebarb

Oops.


21 posted on 11/23/2012 8:50:39 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

The same way the GOP should be trying to regain the traction it is steadily losing, by communicating a clear agenda and convincing people our agenda is right for the country.

If we fail to do that, the worst that can happen is that we lose just as many elections as we’re losing now - all of them.


22 posted on 11/23/2012 8:51:02 AM PST by possum john
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Great, just great, where are we going to get enough committed voters to win an election? We alreay have around 40 "third parties", won't one of those work?

The same place we're going to have to find them now. Face it, conservatives haven't won a Presidential election since 1984. We've got nowhere to go but up.

23 posted on 11/23/2012 8:54:25 AM PST by possum john
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To: possum john

There is a way to start a successful new party. Convince Allen West, Bill Whittle, and Sarah Palin to get together to start one. These are the 3 leaders of the conservative movement.


24 posted on 11/23/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by grumpa
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To: Jim Noble
So you're willing to continue to lose elections, hoping for the right time for the perfect party to come in and create perfection here on earth?

I could say to count me out but at this point, I do not expect to ever see another honest presidential election in my lifetime. Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed. I have no illusions of any of this ever mattering again.

We could have lived to fight another day but our side is too fractured to even try.

25 posted on 11/23/2012 8:56:24 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise
How do you prevent the hijacking of the Foundation Party by RINOs or liberals, for that matter? ( RINOs, which now includes all of the GOP-e and the powers-that-be in the Republican Party. )

Those are the people who are so wedded to GOP that they can't imagine a world without it.

26 posted on 11/23/2012 8:56:36 AM PST by possum john
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
So you're willing to continue to lose elections, hoping for the right time for the perfect party to come in and create perfection here on earth? I could say to count me out but at this point, I do not expect to ever see another honest presidential election in my lifetime. Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed. I have no illusions of any of this ever mattering again. We could have lived to fight another day but our side is too fractured to even try.

In that case, stick with the GOP. I'm not trying to be rude, but you don't appear to be the kind of person I would want to attract.

27 posted on 11/23/2012 8:59:10 AM PST by possum john
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
So? That ignores the question of how can anyone create a pure new party large enough to win an election?

If we can't, we won't be any worse off than we are now.

28 posted on 11/23/2012 9:02:37 AM PST by possum john
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
So you're willing to continue to lose elections

It's not a matter of whether or not I'm willing. I wasn't WILLING for Romney to lose. I wasn't WILLING for McCain to lose. I wasn't even WILLING for GWB to be nominated, for heaven's sake.

The issue is gaining understanding of our present circumstances (bad and getting worse), their causes, and where they will inevitably lead.

We (or our children) have to be ready when the end of the present era comes.

29 posted on 11/23/2012 9:03:28 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
This will not work and it can't work because you have no choice but to use the exact same flawed human beings that now make up the Republican party.

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Do you think Karl Rove, to use just one example, would be a part of this party -- or any third party that espouses actual conservatism?

The point of a third party would be to do one of two things:

1. Bring the Republican Party to a position where it would actually have to listen to its base due to loss of national influence. We now know the the party is incapable of winning a national election due to its failure to beat the worst President in American history thanks to its insistence on a left-of-center candidate who ranked as among the worst the party has ever fielded.

2. Kill the Republican Party and replace it with a party structure that is closer to that of the Reagan coalition.

Either way, I don't see a downside. We aren't electing a Republican President any time soon because you can't out-liberal the liberals. Yet the left wing of the Republican Party is in charge and intends to stay there.

Some of us were unwilling to surrender in the election just past and are now being joined by people who have rediscovered their conservatism since the election. Either way, a split is likely inevitable.

The purpose of this website is to advance conservatism. Not the Republican Party. It has never been more clear that the two terms are now mutually exclusive.

30 posted on 11/23/2012 9:07:14 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: possum john

First, if you want your ideas to be discussed here, post them here. Don’t just drive us over to your blog site.

Second, unless you have a plan to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, please don’t expect any intelligent person to take a third party seriously. It’s not that I and many others don’t agree with the underlying goal - but goals without plans to turn them into reality are just dreams.

Focus on the “how” and if you can show any semblance of how a third party can become a practical “real” solution, then we’ll all chip in to craft the platform. But you’ve got it ass-backwards. And as Rush claims to be the Mayor of Realville, many FReepers will claim to be residents, and we’ll let you if your plan passes the “reality check”.


31 posted on 11/23/2012 9:09:29 AM PST by bigbob
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To: Ohioan
Your platform is a pretty sound one. The real problem is to get people to focus on how best to explain the real issues, to a public bemused & confused by a mass media, that dishes out "circuses" to bemuse, and gross distortions of reality in order to confuse.

We need a period of extensive soul searching on how each of us can be better at countering the gross misconceptions that have been employed to mislead even many intelligent voters, over the past two decades. Since truth--reality--is on our side, it can be done. But it is going to take a major coordinated effort to overcome the tremendous ideological fire power of the mass media, and the Leftists in academia, who have indoctrinated them. William Flax

With 8 years of Obamanomics under our belt, I suspect people will be ready for some soul searching and eager to listen to sound common sense. I could be wrong, but what we're doing now isn't working. One of the arguments we made in the last election was that Obama had failed to lead and had accomplished nothing in his first term, and therefore deserved to be replaced. Does that same argument not fit just as well with the GOP? Do they not deserve to be replaced as well?

32 posted on 11/23/2012 9:09:38 AM PST by possum john
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To: grumpa

I kinda expected that.


33 posted on 11/23/2012 9:11:01 AM PST by possum john
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Conservatism must have a vehicle with which to advance it’s agenda and like it or not, there are only two vehicles. Take your pick.


34 posted on 11/23/2012 9:13:37 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: bigbob

First of all, they’re not mine to post here, they belong to the author of the website.

Two, you don’t have to go to the site unless you want to, nor do you have to take part in the discussion.


35 posted on 11/23/2012 9:14:35 AM PST by possum john
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To: possum john

“I could be wrong, but what we’re doing now isn’t working.”

You’re correct!

(notice I did not say ‘right’.)


36 posted on 11/23/2012 9:16:08 AM PST by malia
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To: grumpa

The right way to go about it is to build a party that will attract people such as those you listed. We have to have something to offer them before they will come onboard.


37 posted on 11/23/2012 9:17:55 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Exactly the same argument that got the Republican Party defeated earlier this month.

Come up with something different, please.


38 posted on 11/23/2012 9:23:09 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: possum john

Sorry, I thought you were the author.

And my contribution is, as stated: the problem with a 3rd party is money. I’d love to see Adelson, Koch bros, et al come together and say to the RNC, “screw you guys, we’re going our own way” and hire the kind of people it would take to start a new party from scratch. But we’re talking a billion dollars, probably, and it won’t happen overnight so there’s the time factor as well — can we afford to wait 5, 10, 15 years?

The alternative is to take control of the RNC platform - yet we have no clue as to how to do that. When the likes of Newt and Santorum are considered “too extreme” - what are the odds the RNC would suppor much of what is outlined in this platform? How could we displace those who are calling the shots at the RNC and replace them? I don’t mean to be negative, but it just feels like we’re in a car careening out of control down a mountain road and someone has locked the doors and welded ‘em shut. Even if we could get the keys, how could we escape? How much longer can we even keep the car on the road?


39 posted on 11/23/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by bigbob
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To: possum john

How about this...let’s have better candidates.


40 posted on 11/23/2012 9:25:52 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: possum john
One of the arguments we made in the last election was that Obama had failed to lead and had accomplished nothing in his first term, and therefore deserved to be replaced. Does that same argument not fit just as well with the GOP? Do they not deserve to be replaced as well?

While I am not yet ready to write off the GOP, your point is apt. Actually, that approach would apply better to the GOP. The argument, as applied to Obama, actually weakened the case against Obama. His announced beliefs, throughout his adult life, directly confronted basic American values, including our traditional understanding of how personal responsibility is the key to both success & good Government.

Obama's stated beliefs, past associations, etc., should all have been under attack. Just treating him as a failure missed the essential point that he was not on our side to begin with.

But, while appreciating your point, I am not ready to give up on the Republicans.

William Flax

41 posted on 11/23/2012 9:27:06 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: bigbob

While the thoughts expressed mirror my own, they are not. I am however, fully onboard with this idea.

The problem with trying to take over the RNC is that we’ve been fighting that battle for years, and the Progressives are too firmly entrenched. I don’t expect the RNC to support this platform, I expect the RNC to really hate the fact that the conservatives have left them to be Democrat lites. The car is headed over a cliff, and it’s time to bail.


42 posted on 11/23/2012 9:31:53 AM PST by possum john
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To: dfwgator

We have had a number of good candidates, but the GOP establishment has done everything they can to stand in their way in favor of the moderates like McCain and Romney.


43 posted on 11/23/2012 9:37:03 AM PST by deaconjim (Because He lives...)
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To: impimp
To stave this off - as I have suggested before - conservatives need to move en masse to the Democratic Party and start electing conservative Democrats everywhere possible. This will short circuit the messaging you just listed, immediately render useless the billions the Left has spent tarnishing the GOP's image, and attract large numbers of black and Hispanic voters who like some conservative ideas but always fall for the anti-Republican spin. If conservatives are serious about stopping the slide, this is the best way to do it.

In effect, we have only one party now - so what difference does the label make? We would make more progress in a Democratic Party with two factions than we are currently making with our old, damaged GOP brand.

44 posted on 11/23/2012 9:38:00 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: possum john

It’s really quite simple. America’s future depends on staying out of undeclared wars and nation building, controlling inflation and making the products we buy.

If we can’t do these things because of control by the ‘money is $peech’ crowd then Republicans can continue with dousing their brand name with job exporting, Obama hating, tax cuts for the rich, no government involvement in anything but sex, and screwers of the middle class and see if that will work out any better the next time around.


45 posted on 11/23/2012 9:53:31 AM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

That is one way of doing it, which I have actually considered briefly, but we haven’t been able to make that work with the GOP, so I see no reason to expect it to work any better with the DNC. Besides, then we would be in the position of associating ourselves with Nancy Pelosi and others of her ilk.


46 posted on 11/23/2012 10:37:30 AM PST by possum john
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To: possum john

I will not abandon the Republican Party to support Libertarians or even Ron Paulish in nature..

I will, however, start donating to primary challengers in Republican elections for those people who are conservatives and are not RINO backsliders. There are NO on-the-scene Republicans at this point I deem as winable in the next election. We have some work to do.


47 posted on 11/23/2012 10:44:35 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I told you - the DEMOCRAT PARTY, the party of “party”, the party of ol’ Baracka Claus; what’s the point of playing a game? of standing for nothing? - Here’s the secret: Do you think once the Democrats unleash millions of illegal “citizens” with lots of Santa loot, they are ever going to encourage these new fast tracked “citizens” to vote for a Republican? - Sorry; too many Sandra Flucks wanting FREE birth control and free abortions. You can’t beat ol’ amoral Santa. - I guess when the little piglets finally kill the old emaciated sow; they’ll become the Occupy Washington DC crowd, demanding their food stamps, unemployment (a living wage), birth control including that “woman’s necessity” abortion on demand. - To answer your question; I don’t intend to “create” a pure new party. (Man’s government is corrupt, even the best we can do & yeah, I do expect the Almighty God to bring the curtain down on cue - which appears to anyone looking to be SOON.


48 posted on 11/23/2012 10:49:54 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: possum john

Another problem is, in a fool-proof manner, getting all of the “already formed and already existing pro-conservative minor political parties” to become one, big political party that, actually, has any kind of serious, long-term political clout!


49 posted on 11/23/2012 12:12:34 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

I want to stay optimistic, but your analysis is right on -

‘Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed.’

Converting the 47% will take a miracle.
Perhaps we can try eliminate/reduce election fraud first? That way AT LEAST WE HAVE A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FILED WHERE MAYBE EVEN A GOP CANDIDATE CAN HAVE A CHANCE.
Then we work at changing the GOP to be more conservative.

We need to make the best use of the resources we have.
The socialists/marxists/commies change the Dem instead of starting a new party.
Why can’t we change the current GOP back to the GOP of the good old days?
Sneak attack is better than open confrontation - change them subtly rather than openly challenging them with a ‘new’ party just might work better.


50 posted on 11/23/2012 12:13:31 PM PST by chrisnj
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