Posted on 11/23/2012 7:53:10 AM PST by possum john
While I am not yet ready to write off the GOP, your point is apt. Actually, that approach would apply better to the GOP. The argument, as applied to Obama, actually weakened the case against Obama. His announced beliefs, throughout his adult life, directly confronted basic American values, including our traditional understanding of how personal responsibility is the key to both success & good Government.
Obama's stated beliefs, past associations, etc., should all have been under attack. Just treating him as a failure missed the essential point that he was not on our side to begin with.
But, while appreciating your point, I am not ready to give up on the Republicans.
William Flax
While the thoughts expressed mirror my own, they are not. I am however, fully onboard with this idea.
The problem with trying to take over the RNC is that we’ve been fighting that battle for years, and the Progressives are too firmly entrenched. I don’t expect the RNC to support this platform, I expect the RNC to really hate the fact that the conservatives have left them to be Democrat lites. The car is headed over a cliff, and it’s time to bail.
We have had a number of good candidates, but the GOP establishment has done everything they can to stand in their way in favor of the moderates like McCain and Romney.
In effect, we have only one party now - so what difference does the label make? We would make more progress in a Democratic Party with two factions than we are currently making with our old, damaged GOP brand.
It’s really quite simple. America’s future depends on staying out of undeclared wars and nation building, controlling inflation and making the products we buy.
If we can’t do these things because of control by the ‘money is $peech’ crowd then Republicans can continue with dousing their brand name with job exporting, Obama hating, tax cuts for the rich, no government involvement in anything but sex, and screwers of the middle class and see if that will work out any better the next time around.
That is one way of doing it, which I have actually considered briefly, but we haven’t been able to make that work with the GOP, so I see no reason to expect it to work any better with the DNC. Besides, then we would be in the position of associating ourselves with Nancy Pelosi and others of her ilk.
I will not abandon the Republican Party to support Libertarians or even Ron Paulish in nature..
I will, however, start donating to primary challengers in Republican elections for those people who are conservatives and are not RINO backsliders. There are NO on-the-scene Republicans at this point I deem as winable in the next election. We have some work to do.
I told you - the DEMOCRAT PARTY, the party of “party”, the party of ol’ Baracka Claus; what’s the point of playing a game? of standing for nothing? - Here’s the secret: Do you think once the Democrats unleash millions of illegal “citizens” with lots of Santa loot, they are ever going to encourage these new fast tracked “citizens” to vote for a Republican? - Sorry; too many Sandra Flucks wanting FREE birth control and free abortions. You can’t beat ol’ amoral Santa. - I guess when the little piglets finally kill the old emaciated sow; they’ll become the Occupy Washington DC crowd, demanding their food stamps, unemployment (a living wage), birth control including that “woman’s necessity” abortion on demand. - To answer your question; I don’t intend to “create” a pure new party. (Man’s government is corrupt, even the best we can do & yeah, I do expect the Almighty God to bring the curtain down on cue - which appears to anyone looking to be SOON.
Another problem is, in a fool-proof manner, getting all of the “already formed and already existing pro-conservative minor political parties” to become one, big political party that, actually, has any kind of serious, long-term political clout!
I want to stay optimistic, but your analysis is right on -
‘Between the 47 percenters who are very happy with the current arrangment, those who commit fraud and those who are willing to ignore it and those who believe they are too moral to vote for someone they consider too flawed, we are doomed.’
Converting the 47% will take a miracle.
Perhaps we can try eliminate/reduce election fraud first? That way AT LEAST WE HAVE A MORE LEVEL PLAYING FILED WHERE MAYBE EVEN A GOP CANDIDATE CAN HAVE A CHANCE.
Then we work at changing the GOP to be more conservative.
We need to make the best use of the resources we have.
The socialists/marxists/commies change the Dem instead of starting a new party.
Why can’t we change the current GOP back to the GOP of the good old days?
Sneak attack is better than open confrontation - change them subtly rather than openly challenging them with a ‘new’ party just might work better.
I think it will take generations to *replace* the GOP. In the meantime, any new party will need some strategy for overcoming the GOP’s big-money donors and the combined efforts of the GOP, Dems and the MSM who will likely all work against any new party (either in a coordinated effort or separately).
I’m ready for a new party *right now*! But considering the political makeup of the electorate from the last election, I have to wonder if the conservative point of view is becoming increasingly outnumbered with each passing election. One of the major, foundational strategies needs to include converting others to the conservative point of view and growing new conservatives (which is why I think it will take generations).
Best of luck. I know I won’t be the only one keeping an optimistic eye on any conservative movement that catches my attention.
It may well take a generation, which is why we need to start now. If we wait much longer, there might not be a generation available to make it happen.
“Those are the people who are so wedded to GOP that they can’t imagine a world without it.”
I’m talking about the infiltrators and spies.
Thank you for being reasonable. This is more than I have come to expect out of many here on FR. They believe it is more noble to elect Obama than Romney and I don’t get it. What makes them think we will have another shot at this thing?
First of all, the GOP doesn’t have it in them to send in infiltrators and spys. They won’t even say mean things about Obama even if they’re true.
Even if they did however, we will just have to recognize the fact that we’re playing in the big leagues and be on guard against such tactics.
BTW, why is voter fraud not being included in this discussion? Ongoing voter fraud could prevent any future third political party(parties) from having any serious chances of, actually, “taking off”! The ones counting the votes must be fair with the actual, total voting results, from all LEGAL U.S. voters!
Because voter fraud is a separate issue.
You said : How about this platform:
1. Strip women of their right to some reproductive health services - How about removing the word ‘right’ from that? Medical care is a SERVICE, one that must be paid for, not a RIGHT. Additionally, YOU have no RIGHT to force ME to pay for YOUR healthcare. I am no slave to you or any other.
2. Give lower tax rates to wealthy, high income people (millionaires and billionaires) - How about discovering that FedGov is the EVIL present in this country. How about cutting the spending and theft-redistribution and lowering tax rates for ALL Americans, not just targeted groups that creates so much division.
3. Take federal dollars away from educating our nation’s children = FEDERAL DOLLARS? Federal dollars are TAKEN from Tennessee (and other states) to pay Dept of Ed personnel to do NOTHING but develop indoctrination course that are then forced upon the states. How about ELIMINATING ALL federal dollars by retaining those dollars instate to educate the children that live there without paying for useless fed-employees.
4. Eliminate food stamps and other poverty programs used by our nation’s economically disadvantaged- How about, well, yes eliminate those, they are a POX on this nation. They are corrupt and pay people to sit and not work - deliberately. For every one that has a legitimate use of these services, there are many that obtain benefits that are corrupt. End it all. Again, why am I forced to but MY groceries and others too? Why am I to work so others may remain home?
5. Stop government investments in green energy programs that are designed to save the planet (designed to take money from workers and those who are gullible and give to others who are ‘developing new technologies’ that are not viable) - Yes, ABSOLUTELY.
Note that we may need a marketing guru to work on some of the wording.
I 100% agree with the platform I presented. And it seems that you agree too. The problem is that I fear our platform sounds mean and no Republican would have the confidence/ability to articulate it in a way that is agreeable to people.
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